I honestly believed.

Mr Neutron

Mr Neutron

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abandonconflict said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMH18WIuIQk

I supported, argued and clawed and scratched and fought. I thought this 2nd term would be progressive. Instead, we have been focused on Twinkies, Petraeus and he actually Mitt flopped on one of his stances I most respected, which was that he supported the people of Palestine.When will he be progressive? When will he reschedule? I regret defending him.
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This whole idea that progressive equates to being progressive and forward thinking, is ridiculous. There is nothing new about collectivism/socialism/communism. These are ghosts from our past, recent and ancient. Freedom is the NEW and therefore the truly progressive philosophy. That's why America is called "The Grand Experiment". It was working fine until progressives started to mesmerize the populace and promise to cure the ills of society.
It's not bad enough that they have infected the only two political parties that have a shot at winning power but they think that those of us who do not agree must be suffering from some sort of mental defect. I don't care how fair you think any form of governance is in the beginning, any system that takes from some to give to others is tyrannical.
Your buyer's remorse falls on deaf ears, here. You think you are for fairness, equality and justice but your political philosophy produces the opposite results.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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abandonconflict said:
Uttering the word "Socialism" is not treason, relax.

Don't you live behind the Ireland curtain?
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We're pretty much the same as yous, except we treat people in the hospital when they come in all fucked up instead of looking for their wallet first.

Also we don't buzz around policing the world, flexing our military muscle for no reason...you's must really be overcompensating for other "short comings" (literally and figuratively).
 
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ChesusRice

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Harrekin said:
We're pretty much the same as yous, except we treat people in the hospital when they come in all fucked up instead of looking for their wallet first.

Also we don't buzz around policing the world, flexing our military muscle for no reason...you's must really be overcompensating for other "short comings" (literally and figuratively).
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It is a valid medical procedure covered by insurance. Walletectomies are part of the healing process here
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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abandonconflict said:
You said timber is a means of production. That is plant material.
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Dr Kynes said:
no mention of agricultural crops, seeds or plants in there at all. unless you want to try and include timber and forests as "plants" rather than natural resources. but that would be kinda silly.
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its still kinda silly.

trees and forests and the timber they provide are not at all like agricultural crops, any more than the raw ore from a mine is equivalent to the mine itself, and the untapped ore within. you are playing semantic games, and poorly at that. the "means of Production" is still not seeds and plants. it is the natural resources that allow those plants to grow. light air soil and water, NOT SEEDS.

by your reasoning PEOPLE could be labeled as the "Means of Production" due to their ability to do work, and thus the workers and the proletariat could logically be nationalized/collectivised as they are in authoritarian socialism.

which would result in serfdom, and your anarcho-______ist bullshit being just as i described, an ostrich feather fan in a marxist burlesque revue.
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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Harrekin said:
We're pretty much the same as yous, except we treat people in the hospital when they come in all fucked up instead of looking for their wallet first.

Also we don't buzz around policing the world, flexing our military muscle for no reason...you's must really be overcompensating for other "short comings" (literally and figuratively).
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cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
abandonconflict said:
I'm talking about the experiments on the observer effect but I don't claim to be an authority by any means. I vaguely remember something about it being a confirmation of Heisenberg's uncertainty principal. I also watched a documentary and I made sure it wasn't from New Age kooks. I also notice that the only reply regarding this is from a chemist and it ends with "my opinion". I think it is ok to go with it as a premise to my argument, but I disagree with objectivist philosophy even with out this premise.
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I also disagree with objectivist philosophy. Ayn was just one of a myriad utopians imo.

However the business about the observer effect is so: it has indeed been observed for processes where the uncertainty principle holds. The math of Heisenberg's uncertainty shows it to be an atomically tiny effect. So we cannot discern it in the macro world except under highly special circumstances, such as those of the double slit experiment. But the usual flights of fancy such as the quantum mind/body problem along with the multiverse are metaphysical at this time and until a test can be devised. cn
 
canndo

canndo

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abandonconflict said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMH18WIuIQk

I supported, argued and clawed and scratched and fought. I thought this 2nd term would be progressive. Instead, we have been focused on Twinkies, Petraeus and he actually Mitt flopped on one of his stances I most respected, which was that he supported the people of Palestine.When will he be progressive? When will he reschedule? I regret defending him.
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It seems to take only moments to forget what the alternative would have looked like. You voted for Obama because you didn't want Romney to be the guy at the helm, you didn't want a guy who had no clue of international situations, no true concern for the majority and no actual respect for reality and truth. Don't forget that you voted against as much as you voted for.
 
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