I Don't Give A **** About You Sellers...

It's hard to understand why marijuana users would vote no because Prop 19 ensures that ALL marijuana users 21+ are allowed to possess, cultivation, use, and transport marijuana without going to jail.

It allows for commercial sale of marijuana.

It takes away the ability for law enforcement to threaten or execute searches and seizures because of marijuana-related activity. (this HELPS 215 people)

It gives discrimination rights to marijuana users for employment. "Bye bye marijuana drug testing". (this HELPS 215 people)

It allows for the production of industrial hemp.

tc1 said:

It's hard to understand why marijuana users would vote no because Prop 19 ensures that ALL marijuana users 21+ are allowed to possess, cultivation, use, and transport marijuana without going to jail.

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And just because you're willing to throw people under the bus so you don't have to grow a backbone, doesn't mean the rest of us would.

tc1 said:

It allows for commercial sale of marijuana.

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Here's your one kernel of truth. The fact that you are so willing to welcome big business says all that needs to be said for your viewpoints.

tc1 said:

It takes away the ability for law enforcement to threaten or execute searches and seizures because of marijuana-related activity. (this HELPS 215 people)

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You need to make up your mind. This either does or does not affect Prop. 215. In either case, it's still a crock of shit. Law enforcement and local authorities will ALWAYS find ways to bust pot smokers and growers. There's nothing you can vote in to make them change their minds or attitudes towards cannabis users.

tc1 said:

It gives discrimination rights to marijuana users for employment. "Bye bye marijuana drug testing". (this HELPS 215 people)

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There's nothing in the bill that guarantees that. I'll be interested to see how you try and prove that one. Not to mention that a state initiative has no bearing or authority over a Congressional Act.

tc1 said:

It allows for the production of industrial hemp.

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Possibly yes. Of course, it'll be commercial interests who corner the industry and do what they do best. I leave that to each person to decide if that's a good or bad thing. I'm not sure how many public health and/or safety crises have to happen before people get that bigger isn't better

TokinPodPilot said:

And just because you're willing to throw people under the bus so you don't have to grow a backbone, doesn't mean the rest of us would.

Here's your one kernel of truth. The fact that you are so willing to welcome big business says all that needs to be said for your viewpoints.

You need to make up your mind. This either does or does not affect Prop. 215. In either case, it's still a crock of shit. Law enforcement and local authorities will ALWAYS find ways to bust pot smokers and growers. There's nothing you can vote in to make them change their minds or attitudes towards cannabis users.


There's nothing in the bill that guarantees that. I'll be interested to see how you try and prove that one. Not to mention that a state initiative has no bearing or authority over a Congressional Act.

Possibly yes. Of course, it'll be commercial interests who corner the industry and do what they do best. I leave that to each person to decide if that's a good or bad thing. I'm not sure how many public health and/or safety crises have to happen before people get that bigger isn't better

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Prop 19 DOESN'T effect Prop 215. However, there are things in Prop 19 which benefit both medical and recreational users.
If you can't grasp that idea ... you're too obtuse and ignorant to even bother replying to anymore.


And you call me a troll? lol

Trolls ignore facts, sensible logic, and lack the proper skills to relay a point in conventional ways.. You are the troll sir.

good ole tc1... makin' my points for me.

TokinPodPilot said:

The fact that you are so willing to welcome big business says all that needs to be said for your viewpoints.

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Why does "business" automatically mean "big business"? The biggest businesses are federally regulated and won't touch the market with a 6' bong. The medical market is full of 'businesses' but I don't see Pfizer running a dispensary yet.

TokinPodPilot said:

Law enforcement and local authorities will ALWAYS find ways to bust pot smokers and growers. There's nothing you can vote in to make them change their minds or attitudes towards cannabis users.

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"Nothing you can do... hey, vote for my competing prop in 2012!" You sound like a paranoid stoner who's more connected to the scary pictures in his head than reality.

mrFancyPlants said:

Why does "business" automatically mean "big business"? The biggest businesses are federally regulated and won't touch the market with a 6' bong. The medical market is full of 'businesses' but I don't see Pfizer running a dispensary yet.

"Nothing you can do... hey, vote for my competing prop in 2012!" You sound like a paranoid stoner who's more connected to the scary pictures in his head than reality.

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These are amusing delusions. I'm not the one saying there's nothing anyone can do. I'm the one that has been telling people to stand up for their rights. I'm not paranoid, nor is my head full of scary pictures. If painting me so makes you feel better, then whatever floats your boat. Personal attacks are a common response when one can't argue reason.

Nice! Say things that mean one thing, then pretend you didn't and imply I'm the bad guy for pointing them out. I'm sure you and tc1 wouldn't know anything about personal attacks.

mrFancyPlants said:

Nice! Say things that mean one thing, then pretend you didn't and imply I'm the bad guy for pointing them out.

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Since the point has flown so far over your head as to be in high orbit, let me explain the delusion part. Just because YOU are mistakenly under the impression that big business won't enter the recreational cannabis market because of federal regulation, doesn't make it so. You're a bad guy for name-calling and general poor conduct, not for your "arguments".

mrFancyPlants said:

I'm sure you and tc1 wouldn't know anything about personal attacks.

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So, even if true, other people act wrongfully, so your response is to do the same. Excellent ethos.

TokinPodPilot said:

Since the point has flown so far over your head as to be in high orbit

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Wow! You're such a nice guy! Thanks for pointing out my delusion.

TokinPodPilot said:

that big business won't enter the recreational cannabis market because of federal regulation, doesn't make it so.

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Except that we've had legal medical cannabis for years and they haven't made a move yet. I'm sure they will any day now though, right?

TokinPodPilot said:

Excellent ethos.

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Well you know I've learned from the best.

tc1 said:

It allows for commercial sale of marijuana.

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TokinPodPilot said:

Here's your one kernel of truth. The fact that you are so willing to welcome big business says all that needs to be said for your viewpoints.

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commercial == big business. You said it, not me.

tc1 said:

It takes away the ability for law enforcement to threaten or execute searches and seizures because of marijuana-related activity. (this HELPS 215 people)

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TokinPodPilot said:

Law enforcement and local authorities will ALWAYS find ways to bust pot smokers and growers. There's nothing you can vote in to make them change their minds or attitudes towards cannabis users.

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Damn dude, sorry for making that up. Maybe your cat typed it while it walked across your keyboard?

I'm sorry for all of these 'personal' attacks... I guess I can't pick on your logic or characterize your statements without personally attacking you, right?

mrFancyPlants said:

Wow! You're such a nice guy! Thanks for pointing out my delusion.

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Never claimed to be nice. You're the one concerned with "niceness". Your arguments are rubbish and I have no qualms about saying it.

mrFancyPlants said:

Except that we've had legal medical cannabis for years and they haven't made a move yet. I'm sure they will any day now though, right?

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The fact that you can't seem to be able to comprehend the differences between the existing quasi-legal commercially prohibitive medical cannabis industry and fully-actualized commercial cannabis says it all. Well done.

mrFancyPlants said:

Well you know I've learned from the best.

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I'm sure you believe so.

mrFancyPlants said:

commercial == big business. You said it, not me.

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Very good. I've never contended otherwise.

mrFancyPlants said:

Damn dude, sorry for making that up. Maybe your cat typed it while it walked across your keyboard?

I'm sorry for all of these 'personal' attacks... I guess I can't pick on your logic or characterize your statements without personally attacking you, right?

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It would be better if you could stick to picking AT my logic and just characterizing statements. Personal attacks are a poor substitute for good argumentation.

TokinPodPilot said:

Never claimed to be nice.

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Ahh, no, but you do imply that you're above it all. And there you go with claiming I personally attacked you again...

I'm beginning to think the entire forum should be closed. All it's doing is dividing stoners.

mrFancyPlants said:

Ahh, no, but you do imply that you're above it all. And there you go with claiming I personally attacked you again...

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I certainly do try not to succumb to the pettiness that intense debates can incur. That's a habit left over from high school forensics, and once again, I'm sorry if my sensibilities bother you so much. I didn't say you attacked me again. I made a statement about the use of personal attacks instead of good argumentation.

mrFancyPlants said:

I'm beginning to think the entire forum should be closed. All it's doing is dividing stoners.

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It's too rough for you, so we all should just give up. That's a common sentiment amongst the proponents. "There's no way we can get real decriminalization!! We have to just settle for whatever comes our way!" My answer is still the same. Just because you don't have the resolve and determination to fight, doesn't mean the rest of us give up. Diversity of opinion doesn't scare me and I welcome challenge.

TokinPodPilot said:

It's too rough for you, so we all should just give up.

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And there you go again... who are you arguing with? Me? Because you don't seem to be responding to what *I* said.

How does "dividing stoners" == "too rough for me"?

You make accusations of personal attacks when none have been made, then you make an implicit one by twisting my words.

I can't wait to see what you read into this post.

I'm not the one commenting on closing forums because people don't agree with each other. Please continue with the tirade. The Daily Show has been lacking in Glenn Beck clips lately, so this fits the bill nicely.