I Don't Give A **** About You Sellers...
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tc1
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LOL @ calling Fox News or any other cable news network "simple media-exposure".Yeah well... Prop. 215 is enough to get your ire up, I can see where simple media-exposure can be overwhelming. Hey, you should see a doctor and get a recommendation to help with your anxiety!!
"media-exposure for simpletons" maybe.
Fox News = Obama is the devil
MSNBC = Obama is the messiah
CNN = Let's get a panel of 20 people and discuss if Obama is the devil or the messiah
Boy, don't I now feel educated ....
TokinPodPilot
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tc1
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I thought you didn't watch. Way to contradict.
I've never been on the moon either ... but that doesn't mean I don't know what it looks like.
Such a silly argument.
TokinPodPilot
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BluffinCali
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You need to find a different doctor...seriously if your all for prop19 cause you cant get a recommendation then you obviously havent tried or care enough to locate doctor willing to help. Bottom line for me is Im all for legalization but not at all if it comes in the form of prop19, seriously one of the worst written pieces of legislation Ive ever read, Id much rather keep the current system and cast my "yes" vote in 2012. Prop 19 will allow every county and city to determine their own set of regulations and taxes, which depending on where you live and what they decide, they could make cultivation impossible with excessive fees per sq. footage and annual garden taxes, its all about government control...I was all for prop19 until I actually read the bill, its ridiculous
tc1
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Local legislation is a GOOD thing. It allows you, and people who think like you to affect the policies within your local government. A SINGLE person can make a difference at the city level. It takes thousands upon thousands of people and millions of dollars to effect things at the state or federal level.
Under Prop 19, cities are NOT allowed to tax personal grows. The only mention of taxes in Prop 19 is for commercial cultivation and sale. And Prop 19 gives that power to cities to decide.
I'd much rather vote for Prop 19 than tell people they have to be criminals and risk everything for 2 more years. 73 years is long enough ....
MrStickyScissors
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lol i just cant get over how lame this guy is thats sum funny shit. he must of paid way to much for a 8th or sum shit today lol
TokinPodPilot
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Local legislation does not need statewide policy. You talk a good game, but if you really believed that one person can effect such radical change, you should be out there doing it.
You can't guarantee that in any way. In fact, the verbiage of the bill allows local government to assess fees and taxes as they see fit for the purpose of regulating the local cannabis industry.
from the text of the bill:
That bold bit is far too easily interpretable as allowing the taxation of even personal grows. You can claim it doesn't, but I, and anyone with eyes to see it, know better. No matter how much you want to pretend that Prop. 19 makes local government and law enforcement accepting of cannabis, the reality is that voting doesn't make people think different. They just find new loopholes to screw you over with. But pretend on... I'm waiting for the part where you get to unicorns that crap rainbow ice-cream.
Sounds rather like what your willing to tell 18-20 year old voters because you can't stand up for your rights. 73 years is a very long time. Especially when you just sit on the sidelines and let other people do the work. Those of us doing the work don't discount 15 years of progress so easily.
tc1
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What part of:
(a) Any ordinance, regulation or other act adopted pursuant to section 11301 may include imposition of appropriate general, special or excise, transfer or transaction taxes, benefit assessments, or fees, on any activity authorized pursuant to such enactment, in order to permit the local government to raise revenue, or to recoup any direct or indirect costs associated with the authorized activity, or the permitting or licensing scheme, including without limitation: administration; applications and issuance of licenses or permits; inspection of licensed premises and other enforcement of ordinances adopted under section 11301, including enforcement against unauthorized activities.
Don't you understand?
Section 11301 is COMMERCIAL Regulations and Controls! Not personal cultivation. There are ZERO taxes for personal cultivation. PERIOD.
And here we go again ... you pretend like you know me and what I've done in my life all while pretending to be some kind of Jack Herer clone. You can't even interpret a bill ... why in the HELL should anyone listen to you?
What a joke ....
(a) Any ordinance, regulation or other act adopted pursuant to section 11301 may include imposition of appropriate general, special or excise, transfer or transaction taxes, benefit assessments, or fees, on any activity authorized pursuant to such enactment, in order to permit the local government to raise revenue, or to recoup any direct or indirect costs associated with the authorized activity, or the permitting or licensing scheme, including without limitation: administration; applications and issuance of licenses or permits; inspection of licensed premises and other enforcement of ordinances adopted under section 11301, including enforcement against unauthorized activities.
Don't you understand?
Section 11301 is COMMERCIAL Regulations and Controls! Not personal cultivation. There are ZERO taxes for personal cultivation. PERIOD.
And here we go again ... you pretend like you know me and what I've done in my life all while pretending to be some kind of Jack Herer clone. You can't even interpret a bill ... why in the HELL should anyone listen to you?
What a joke ....
TokinPodPilot
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Most of your arguments are kinda humorous in that you either believe this tripe and/or you expect others to believe your lying. I suppose the rest of the clause following the reference to 11301 doesn't count? You can play cut-and-paste paraphrase all you want, but the whole sentence doesn't stop because you don't like the bit that comes after. It's pretty simple, really. The clause says that any regulation or ordinance created to regulate commercial sales can be funded by taxes, assessments and fees from ANY activity authorized by regulations. There's nothing in there that says personal cultivation is exempt. You can keep lying and that's fine with me, but no matter how you twist the words here on the internet, it doesn't change the text of the bill.
I'm sorry if my personal life experience bothers you. Maybe if you got off the sidelines and did something, you could participate in story time, too.
Addendum: Upon retrospection, I'd like to thank you for the unintentional compliment. Jack Herer was a selfless, compassionate human being who spent much of his life fighting for true decriminalization/legalization. He fought and spoke for CCHHI 2012 nearly until his dying breath. I wish I had met the man earlier in his life than I did. But even with the various infirmities of his late life, he was still as firey as ever. I should think any person would consider themselves honored to be considered a "clone", even despite your malicious intention.
teryy
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If you vote yes youre a dip shit why give them the right to CONTROL,TAX,REGULATE something that is free and of the earth???? Vote no and in do time a bill will come along that we want..We waited this long get a med card and be happy..They dont control and tax roses or fucking daisies.Last time i checked weed is a god given thing why give some one the power to control yet another thing that should be free. If it was free and grew wild who would need a drug war or dealer since you hate them so much..Voting yes will just be turning over the game to a more powerfull evil <dealer> think about it would you vote for water or air to be controlled and taxed?? what god gives people should control not the rich and powers that be.
TokinPodPilot
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Sadly, air and water are controlled and taxed. You just have to look at your water bill for the taxation part. As far as control, I know I didn't ask them to put chlorine in my water, but it's certainly there. I'm not entirely sure where AQMD pulls their funding from, but if memory from my days working for the county, I know it's not from bake sales and is definitely from public funds. They're the ones who determine acceptable pollution levels and assess the slap-on-the-wrist fines when they screw up. Between advocacy and time spent working for public agencies and private corporations, it shouldn't surprise me what people will do or give up for the sake of profit and a false sense of safety.
vegetables and fruit is free and of this earth, water is free from the mountains, nothing is america is free anymore, you guys are forgetting this is what our country was founded on. everything that is marketed in america is TAXED. why is that so hard to comprehend? if they want to tax pot thats the govt telling us hey we acknowledge it and if u want it to be marketable then this what needs to be done. why is that such a bad thing? u pay taxes on everything else you have. and people are forgetting that the state tax for CA is a max of 10.75% (including local city taxes) if pot becomes legal it will instantly become a price:demand game. and since they want factories for mass production that means prices will shoot down. hell if ppl would get their head out of their ass's they could stand up to prices now, but ppl would rather let them selves get raped in the wallet and pay street prices at a dispensary that gets to COLLECT and KEEP that money. thousands and thousands of those dollars they keep. its a viscous cycle that revolves around the grower and the dispensary. why do u think so many shops get shut down??? their making more than they should and they dont have to account for it an the govt which allows them to opperate doesnt like that.
if cities decide to mark up their own taxes well dont blaim that on them, blaim that on the countless growers who arent being accountable for the thousands of dollars they are keeping. wouldnt u rather have some of that money go towards fixing roads and schools and what not? because if its taxed thats what the money HAS to go to. thats why its a tax.
unless your a 100% certified farmer who has a real farm who produces their own livestock or produce you have no right to hate on them taxing pot. only the real farmers should be the ones complaining because thats their lively hood. and im sure they grow and use most of what they grow, and u know what i bet they still go to the store and buy supplies and or produce that they dont grow and pay taxes on it and dont complain.
tc1
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Way to dodge the fact that you are once again wrong TokinPod ....
And nice slant to somehow pretend I was calling you a Jack Here clone.
You aren't even close. Nor would he be happy so many of you are fighting tooth and nail to oppose Prop 19.
I personally know someone who SAT with Jack while he read Prop 19. And guess what? He was in FAVOR of Prop 19.
He knew it has its shortcomings, but he KNEW it was a start. Jack Herer would NEVER ... EVER vote no on a piece of legislation which gives adults the freedom to legally use marijuana and/or hemp. His very own family has stated this.
Your "counter arguments" consist of putting the blinders on even after you have been called out for being wrong.
People like you are the same people it took 100 years to convince that the Earth wasn't the center of the universe despite scientific proof.
Pathetic at best.
And nice slant to somehow pretend I was calling you a Jack Here clone.
You aren't even close. Nor would he be happy so many of you are fighting tooth and nail to oppose Prop 19.
I personally know someone who SAT with Jack while he read Prop 19. And guess what? He was in FAVOR of Prop 19.
He knew it has its shortcomings, but he KNEW it was a start. Jack Herer would NEVER ... EVER vote no on a piece of legislation which gives adults the freedom to legally use marijuana and/or hemp. His very own family has stated this.
Your "counter arguments" consist of putting the blinders on even after you have been called out for being wrong.
People like you are the same people it took 100 years to convince that the Earth wasn't the center of the universe despite scientific proof.
Pathetic at best.
BluffinCali
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The bill is not going to pass anyways, so all the arguing is really a mute point....
Howard Stern
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Yeah I thought smoking weed was supposed to calm you down! LOLnobody likes an angry pothead. why are all the yes voters so angry?