hydrogen peroxide used throughout a grow .

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CaliMackdaddy

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if anyone here had any real experience . With seedlings they could tell you seedlings cant take hot soil mixes or fertilizers in the first week or 2 let alone 3 even diluted without killing them am i wrong ok . Tell me this why are my plant's still alive and thriving then if i was so wrong about this . I dont need to use it doest mean it dont work . Seedlings tell you if its bad they die or burn lol
....what??? What dont you need? When a seedling is planted it has stored nutrients within the seed, most of the time we use light feeds or even a soiless mixture for starting a seedling because of its weak nutrient formula within the soil. Say you were to use a soil thats hott it could burn the plant, some strains can survive this high nutrient formula better then other strains, its all genetics. Ive personally had strains that work better in a "hott" enviorment then another, You could say some strains are more hungry then others, that im not too sure.

All and all im not sure what your question was exactly.
 

haole420

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seriously, try aquaponics+nutes. it's the same idea as adding bennies, but you don't have to buy/add anything. root rot is a non-issue in aquaponics. period. once you see how simple it makes hydro, you'll never go back to "regular" hydro. i have dead leaves, broken bits of roots, fish food, fish poop, algae, sometimes dead fish, dead crabs, dead snails, all kinds of decaying organic matter in my system, but it doesn't stay around for long. there is all kinds of microbial stuff going on in my system that you just aren't going to be able to simulate by adding bacteria native to soil. not one drop of H2O2 and no prophylactic bennies. going on 9 weeks now without flushing. water is crystal clear and roots are thriving. so are plants. and fish!

people seem to think it's silly, somehow. i guess they can't get over the fish. whatever. it's not about the fish, it's about a self-regulating microecosystem. that's exactly what you're building in a soil garden, why should it be any different in hydro?

besides, think about all the nutes you throw away when you flush. the nutes don't "go bad," the water does. if the water never goes bad, why flush nutes down the drain? over the course of 9 weeks, i've used 1/9th the nutes most people do (probably less than that since i don't run high ppms). would you expect me to get 1/9 the results?

i ain't no master grower, especially with hydro. i had several miserable attempts at aero, dwc, ebb/flow. without the fish, i would most likely fail again. but that's just a testament to the power of aquaponics. if a hack like me can pull off a respectable grow with aquaponics+nutes, then it's worth some of the people who claim to be grand master growers to try it. their results with aquaponics+nutes are bound to be truly mind blowing. unfortunately, they seem committed to maintaining a sterile lab, oxidizing, flushing, inoculating, and wasting time and resources when there is clearly a better way.
 

sorethumb

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i was'nt asking any questions i was stating that seedlings can be burned vary easy if something was harmful to them they show signs almost instantly over night ect. i was told sodium stannate was toxic its not. build up or affects could result . seedlings would show signs of this but they have'nt they were not bothered by it if h.p was harmful it wouldn't take time or build up fertilizer in this stage almost any strenght would burn them . i dont see a point of using it since they are almost ready to transplant but some are not willing to accept that it may do more good then harm .
 
I dont use it but was very close to the last time at the shop. I use h&g w/ R.E and dont want to kill the bennies in that. I use to use heisen tea brew when I had root problems but I learned most of my root problems were due to overfeeding. It took me a while to learn high ppm doesnt make big buds. Healthy plants, good genetics, and a dialed in environment do. A hot solution will first burn the roots and then the foliage imo the foliage burn is a direct result of the roots being burnt. Then once the roots burn they die and cause root rot to set in.

Now that I have my feeding really dialed in I dont even need the bennie tea. The bennie tea seemed to make my ph rise to quick. Smaller doses seemed to help that but brewing it and the clean up is a pita. I dunno im still border line on trying h2o2. The last thing I need here is another damn bottle for the plants!
 

sorethumb

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Okay, now you're just lying.

Sodium stannate most definitely IS toxic and I have told you as much in this very thread! But don't take my word for it, refer to the MSDS from a manufacturer of the stuff (which I also have presented in this thread):
im not lying i read its in everything from teeth whiteing ,oral pain relief gel, hair products , face cleaners and no reports of it being toxic in those products if it was toxic they couldn't use it in the peroxide its a oral debriding agent for the removal of phlegm,mucus and other secretions associated with sore mouth. what i know as truth may be different but i didnt lie
 

sorethumb

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I dont use it but was very close to the last time at the shop. I use h&g w/ R.E and dont want to kill the bennies in that. I use to use heisen tea brew when I had root problems but I learned most of my root problems were due to overfeeding. It took me a while to learn high ppm doesnt make big buds. Healthy plants, good genetics, and a dialed in environment do. A hot solution will first burn the roots and then the foliage imo the foliage burn is a direct result of the roots being burnt. Then once the roots burn they die and cause root rot to set in.

Now that I have my feeding really dialed in I dont even need the bennie tea. The bennie tea seemed to make my ph rise to quick. Smaller doses seemed to help that but brewing it and the clean up is a pita. I dunno im still border line on trying h2o2. The last thing I need here is another damn bottle for the plants!
seems alot of hydroponics growers are using h202 they are the main ones here im probly the only one not . im using soil just watering with it diluted my plants didn't mind idk lol and thanks for the info attachments on using h202 it backs what im saying lol
 

sorethumb

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Okay, now you're just lying.

Sodium stannate most definitely IS toxic and I have told you as much in this very thread! But don't take my word for it, refer to the MSDS from a manufacturer of the stuff (which I also have presented in this thread):
i just looked at your attachment the only thing interesting was this sodium compounds are used in low tech applications
throughout industry. sodium first discovered by sir humphrey davy in 1807. is the sixth most abundant element. making up 2.6% of the earths crust wow i learn more and more coming here lol thanks al
 

Al B. Fuct

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im not lying i read its in everything from teeth whiteing ,oral pain relief gel, hair products , face cleaners and no reports of it being toxic in those products if it was toxic they couldn't use it in the peroxide its a oral debriding agent for the removal of phlegm,mucus and other secretions associated with sore mouth. what i know as truth may be different but i didnt lie
Before you read the MSDS, you could reasonably say you were mistaken.

Now that you HAVE seen it and continue to propagate the same falsehood, you're lying!
 

sorethumb

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Before you read the MSDS, you could reasonably say you were mistaken.

Now that you HAVE seen it and continue to propagate the same falsehood, you're lying!
i did read it. and the word toxic is no where on that page. i had seen this same site when i first went reaching as you put it. i went to other sites that's where i got the products list so im not a liar its not on that page i read it twice btw the entire page toxic is not in it.
 

Al B. Fuct

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i did read it. and the word toxic is no where on that page. i had seen this same site when i first went reaching as you put it. i went to other sites that's where i got the products list so im not a liar its not on that page i read it twice btw the entire page toxic is not in it.
You, sir, are a BALDFACED liar!

Screenshot of the American Elements Material Safety Data Sheet at http://www.americanelements.com/snsst.html

toxic_stannate.jpg

Mate, who do you think you are, Mitt Romney? :D
 

sorethumb

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I like how this disagreement stayed casual.. most of the time on RIU people get all defensive and butthurt. Im sure a small amount of H202 wouldn't hurt leaves, but it is so unnecessary. I was interested to hear why it was used. It does kill all kinds of pathogens but defiantly not killing mites. You tried to help, And now you have learned..probably others have learned as well. Hooray for that. Al B Fuct, way to not get on your high horse.
you asked why i started using it in the first place well faster germination and healthier sprouts imo ive never had any problems with h.p. anything even water an excessive amounts can be fatal its called moderation .
 

BUdbuddysmile

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No, I still see no reason for using it in a foliar feed. I don't believe its the H.P that is having any benefit to your plants when foliar fed. and way to go from one extreme to another… to much water can be toxic.. come on we know this. I don't even know why I got back into this. Waste of time. Go ahead and keep F feeding with H202. It may not kill your plants, but its a waste.
 
Damn, Al B I would never disagree with you on anything but I thought it was a BOLD FACED LIAR lol and ive been saying it wrong all these years..? lol Kinda like a B line. I use to always say a V line. I know I know laugh it up but im sure im not the only one..?

Hey, but the mitt joke.. now that was funny right there!

Hey you know what + rep to Al B fuct he always has good info.
Damn... cant rep again.:neutral:
 

sorethumb

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No, I still see no reason for using it in a foliar feed. I don't believe its the H.P that is having any benefit to your plants when foliar fed. and way to go from one extreme to another… to much water can be toxic.. come on we know this. I don't even know why I got back into this. Waste of time. Go ahead and keep F feeding with H202. It may not kill your plants, but its a waste.
wow you don't believe its the hp having any benifit for my plants that sucks i was sure it was . and im out a 1.00 $ and i still have a huge bottle man that was wastefull of me lmao
 
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