OJ was probably guilty.What about people who get away with murder? Don't hear much complaining about that one.
But, the LAPD fucked up, and as a result tainted everything.
OJ should have walked.
Humane Execution
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But, the LAPD fucked up, and as a result tainted everything.
OJ should have walked.
Canna Sylvan
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The blood in his Bronco had preservatives in it.Probably?
Probably enough evidence without that to convict him.
With that it taints all the other evidence. The government fucked up, and tried to tie it together to hard. He should have the right to not have evidence manufactured by the police.
Dr Kynes
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huh??
so you now state that the dude who bashed his kid's attacker to a pulp was justified, when you previously called it murder???!!!
187: Murder
189: Justifiable Homicide
the penal code makes the distinction quite clear.
Canna Sylvan
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Canna Sylvan
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Huh? When did I ever say that? You need to stop twerking, bro.
Dr Kynes
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Dr Kynes
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so, you assert that you would consider yourself a murderer under those same circumstances?
Wavels
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In the theme of wrongly convicted felons, I feel obligated to share this fascinating piece.
Read the novella, as it is even better than the movie!!!
The Shawshank Residuals
How one of Hollywood's great second acts keeps making money
Bob Gunton is a character actor with 125 credits to his name, including several seasons of "24" and "Desperate Housewives" and a host of movie roles in films such as the Oscar-winning "Argo." Vaguely familiar faces like his are common in the Los Angeles area where he lives, and nobody pays much attention. Many of his roles have been forgotten.
But every day, the 68-year-old actor says, he hears the whispers—from cabdrivers, waiters, the new bag boy at his neighborhood supermarket: "That's the warden in 'Shawshank.' "
He also still gets residual payments—not huge, but steady, close to six figures by the film's 10th anniversary in 2004. Since then, he has continued to get "a very substantial income" long past the age when residuals usually dry up.
"I suspect my daughter, years from now, will still be getting checks," he said.
William Sadler Brandon Schulman for The Wall Street Journal
"Shawshank" was an underwhelming box-office performer when it hit theaters 20 years ago this September, but then it began to redeem itself, finding an audience on home video and later becoming a fixture on cable TV.
The film has taken a near-mystical hold on viewers that shows no sign of abating. Steven Spielberg once told the film's writer-director Frank Darabont that he had made "a chewing-gum movie—if you step on it, it sticks to your shoe," says Mr. Darabont, who went on to create "The Walking Dead" for AMC.
Mr. Sadler, center, in a scene from 'The Shawshank Redemption' Columbia Pictures/Everett Collection
The movie's enduring popularity manifests itself in ways big and small. "Shawshank" for years has been rated by users of imdb.com as the best movie of all time (the first two "Godfather" films are second and third). On a Facebook page dedicated to the film, fans show off tattoos of quotes, sites and the rock hammer Andy, played by Tim Robbins, used to tunnel out of prison. Type "370,000" into a Google search and the site auto-completes it with "in 1966." Andy escapes in 1966 with $370,000 of the warden's ill-gotten gains. The small Ohio city where it was filmed is a tourist attraction.
In the days when videocassettes mattered, "Shawshank" was the top rental of 1995. On television, as cable grew, it has consistently been among the most-aired movies.
In a shifting Hollywood landscape, film libraries increasingly are the lifeblood of studios. "Shawshank's" enduring appeal on television has made it more important than ever—a reliable annuity to help smooth the inevitable bumps in a hit-or-miss box-office business. When studios sell a package of films—many of them stinkers—a "Shawshank" acts as a much-needed locomotive to drag the others behind it.
Photos: On the Set of 'The Shawshank Redemption'
View Slideshow
Warner Bros. Entertainment
"It's an incredible moneymaking asset that continues to resonate with viewers," said Jeff Baker, executive vice president and general manager of Warner Bros. Home Entertainment theatrical catalog.
Warner Bros. wouldn't say how much money it has gleaned from "Shawshank," one of 6,000 feature films in a library that last year helped generate $1.5 billion in licensing fees from television, plus an additional $2.2 billion from home video and electronic delivery, according to SEC filings. But it's on the shortlist of films including "The Wizard of Oz," "A Christmas Story" and "Caddyshack" that drive much of the library's value, current and former Warner Bros. executives say.
"Shawshank" was adapted from a novella, "Rita Hayworth and Shawshank Redemption" by Stephen King, who sold the rights to then-unknown director Frank Darabont in the late 1980s for $5,000. When he wrote the script several years later, it circulated quickly through Hollywood.
Martin Shafer, a co-founder of Castle Rock Entertainment, was at an airport when he got a call from a colleague. "She said, 'You've got to read this script right away. This story pays off like a slot machine,'" Mr. Shafer recalls.
Bob Gunton, who played the warden in 'The Shawshank Redemption,' at his home in California Brad Swonetz for The Wall Street Journal
Castle Rock, which took its name from one of Mr. King's fictional settings, was interested and executives there reached a deal with Mr. Darabont. But when studio co-founder Rob Reiner read the script, he broached the idea of directing it himself. He'd already directed films based on Mr. King's work, "Stand By Me" and "Misery," and he'd just made "A Few Good Men" with Tom Cruise and was looking to team up with the actor on a new project. So Castle Rock offered Mr. Darabont a "pay-and-play" deal under which he would get a few million dollars and a guarantee to direct another movie, if he agreed to turn "Shawshank" over to Mr. Reiner. "We were making [Mr. Darabont] a multimillionaire," Mr. Shafer said.
Mr. Gunton in a scene from the movie Columbia Pictures/Alamy
Mr. Darabont said he took a night to think about it. "But it was never an option," he said. "Most of it boils down to, 'Why are we here?' That was a passion I was very determined to pursue and not just sell to the highest bidder."
Mr. Darabont cast Mr. Robbins as Andy Dufresne, a banker who is wrongly sent to prison for the murder of his wife and her lover, and Morgan Freeman as Red, an omniscient lifer who befriends Andy on the inside. In the book, he is a redheaded Irishman.
Mr. King recalls: "I said, 'Frank, at that time there were like 16 black men in the state of Maine, and you still want this guy to be black?'"
Mr. Darabont chose the Ohio State Reformatory in Mansfield to serve as the fictional "Shawshank" prison, so the cast gathered there in the summer of 1993 to start filming. The prison, which had been closed a few years earlier due to inhumane conditions, was "one of the creepiest places I've ever been in," said William Sadler, who played the dimwitted inmate Heywood.
Despite the grim surroundings, the actors sensed they were part of something big. During rehearsal, "We were joking around and looking at each other in joyful wonder that we all ended up in this movie," said Mr. Gunton, who played the sadistic Warden Norton.
On cable, "Shawshank" is at an age when the licensing value of many films diminishes, but its strength hasn't wavered. "Shawshank" and other films are now being licensed for shorter periods to a bigger and hungrier universe of distributors. "Shawshank" has aired on 15 basic cable networks since 1997, including six in the most recent season, according to Warner Bros. Last year, it filled 151 hours of airtime on basic cable, tied with "Scarface" and behind only "Mrs. Doubtfire," according to research firm IHS. "Shawshank," despite its virtually all-male cast, was the most-watched movie on Oprah Winfrey's OWN network in the latest season and in the top 15% of movies among adults 18-49 on Spike, Up, Sundance and Lifetime.
...............
Films like "Shawshank" pad their studios' bottom lines in less-direct ways, too. Studios generally license movies in packages, sometimes bundling one or a small number of hits with dozens of lesser films. So-called "package leaders" such as "Shawshank" can give studios leverage in negotiations with licensees, and prop up the weaker films in the catalog.
"You say [to a cable executive], 'I can give you 'Shawshank' and their eyes light up," a former distribution executive at Warner Bros. said. "You don't market it. You don't spend any money pushing it."
Mr. King never cashed the $5,000 check Mr. Darabont sent him for the right to turn his story into a movie. Years after "Shawshank" came out, the author got the check framed and mailed it back to the director with a note inscribed: "In case you ever need bail money. Love, Steve."
Full Article:
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles...0001424052702304536104579560021265554240.html
Read the novella, as it is even better than the movie!!!
The Shawshank Residuals
How one of Hollywood's great second acts keeps making money
Bob Gunton is a character actor with 125 credits to his name, including several seasons of "24" and "Desperate Housewives" and a host of movie roles in films such as the Oscar-winning "Argo." Vaguely familiar faces like his are common in the Los Angeles area where he lives, and nobody pays much attention. Many of his roles have been forgotten.
But every day, the 68-year-old actor says, he hears the whispers—from cabdrivers, waiters, the new bag boy at his neighborhood supermarket: "That's the warden in 'Shawshank.' "
He also still gets residual payments—not huge, but steady, close to six figures by the film's 10th anniversary in 2004. Since then, he has continued to get "a very substantial income" long past the age when residuals usually dry up.
"I suspect my daughter, years from now, will still be getting checks," he said.
William Sadler Brandon Schulman for The Wall Street Journal
"Shawshank" was an underwhelming box-office performer when it hit theaters 20 years ago this September, but then it began to redeem itself, finding an audience on home video and later becoming a fixture on cable TV.
The film has taken a near-mystical hold on viewers that shows no sign of abating. Steven Spielberg once told the film's writer-director Frank Darabont that he had made "a chewing-gum movie—if you step on it, it sticks to your shoe," says Mr. Darabont, who went on to create "The Walking Dead" for AMC.
Mr. Sadler, center, in a scene from 'The Shawshank Redemption' Columbia Pictures/Everett Collection
The movie's enduring popularity manifests itself in ways big and small. "Shawshank" for years has been rated by users of imdb.com as the best movie of all time (the first two "Godfather" films are second and third). On a Facebook page dedicated to the film, fans show off tattoos of quotes, sites and the rock hammer Andy, played by Tim Robbins, used to tunnel out of prison. Type "370,000" into a Google search and the site auto-completes it with "in 1966." Andy escapes in 1966 with $370,000 of the warden's ill-gotten gains. The small Ohio city where it was filmed is a tourist attraction.
In the days when videocassettes mattered, "Shawshank" was the top rental of 1995. On television, as cable grew, it has consistently been among the most-aired movies.
In a shifting Hollywood landscape, film libraries increasingly are the lifeblood of studios. "Shawshank's" enduring appeal on television has made it more important than ever—a reliable annuity to help smooth the inevitable bumps in a hit-or-miss box-office business. When studios sell a package of films—many of them stinkers—a "Shawshank" acts as a much-needed locomotive to drag the others behind it.
Photos: On the Set of 'The Shawshank Redemption'
View Slideshow
Warner Bros. Entertainment"It's an incredible moneymaking asset that continues to resonate with viewers," said Jeff Baker, executive vice president and general manager of Warner Bros. Home Entertainment theatrical catalog.
Warner Bros. wouldn't say how much money it has gleaned from "Shawshank," one of 6,000 feature films in a library that last year helped generate $1.5 billion in licensing fees from television, plus an additional $2.2 billion from home video and electronic delivery, according to SEC filings. But it's on the shortlist of films including "The Wizard of Oz," "A Christmas Story" and "Caddyshack" that drive much of the library's value, current and former Warner Bros. executives say.
"Shawshank" was adapted from a novella, "Rita Hayworth and Shawshank Redemption" by Stephen King, who sold the rights to then-unknown director Frank Darabont in the late 1980s for $5,000. When he wrote the script several years later, it circulated quickly through Hollywood.
Martin Shafer, a co-founder of Castle Rock Entertainment, was at an airport when he got a call from a colleague. "She said, 'You've got to read this script right away. This story pays off like a slot machine,'" Mr. Shafer recalls.
Bob Gunton, who played the warden in 'The Shawshank Redemption,' at his home in California Brad Swonetz for The Wall Street Journal
Castle Rock, which took its name from one of Mr. King's fictional settings, was interested and executives there reached a deal with Mr. Darabont. But when studio co-founder Rob Reiner read the script, he broached the idea of directing it himself. He'd already directed films based on Mr. King's work, "Stand By Me" and "Misery," and he'd just made "A Few Good Men" with Tom Cruise and was looking to team up with the actor on a new project. So Castle Rock offered Mr. Darabont a "pay-and-play" deal under which he would get a few million dollars and a guarantee to direct another movie, if he agreed to turn "Shawshank" over to Mr. Reiner. "We were making [Mr. Darabont] a multimillionaire," Mr. Shafer said.
Mr. Gunton in a scene from the movie Columbia Pictures/Alamy
Mr. Darabont said he took a night to think about it. "But it was never an option," he said. "Most of it boils down to, 'Why are we here?' That was a passion I was very determined to pursue and not just sell to the highest bidder."
Mr. Darabont cast Mr. Robbins as Andy Dufresne, a banker who is wrongly sent to prison for the murder of his wife and her lover, and Morgan Freeman as Red, an omniscient lifer who befriends Andy on the inside. In the book, he is a redheaded Irishman.
Mr. King recalls: "I said, 'Frank, at that time there were like 16 black men in the state of Maine, and you still want this guy to be black?'"
Mr. Darabont chose the Ohio State Reformatory in Mansfield to serve as the fictional "Shawshank" prison, so the cast gathered there in the summer of 1993 to start filming. The prison, which had been closed a few years earlier due to inhumane conditions, was "one of the creepiest places I've ever been in," said William Sadler, who played the dimwitted inmate Heywood.
Despite the grim surroundings, the actors sensed they were part of something big. During rehearsal, "We were joking around and looking at each other in joyful wonder that we all ended up in this movie," said Mr. Gunton, who played the sadistic Warden Norton.
On cable, "Shawshank" is at an age when the licensing value of many films diminishes, but its strength hasn't wavered. "Shawshank" and other films are now being licensed for shorter periods to a bigger and hungrier universe of distributors. "Shawshank" has aired on 15 basic cable networks since 1997, including six in the most recent season, according to Warner Bros. Last year, it filled 151 hours of airtime on basic cable, tied with "Scarface" and behind only "Mrs. Doubtfire," according to research firm IHS. "Shawshank," despite its virtually all-male cast, was the most-watched movie on Oprah Winfrey's OWN network in the latest season and in the top 15% of movies among adults 18-49 on Spike, Up, Sundance and Lifetime.
...............
Films like "Shawshank" pad their studios' bottom lines in less-direct ways, too. Studios generally license movies in packages, sometimes bundling one or a small number of hits with dozens of lesser films. So-called "package leaders" such as "Shawshank" can give studios leverage in negotiations with licensees, and prop up the weaker films in the catalog.
"You say [to a cable executive], 'I can give you 'Shawshank' and their eyes light up," a former distribution executive at Warner Bros. said. "You don't market it. You don't spend any money pushing it."
Mr. King never cashed the $5,000 check Mr. Darabont sent him for the right to turn his story into a movie. Years after "Shawshank" came out, the author got the check framed and mailed it back to the director with a note inscribed: "In case you ever need bail money. Love, Steve."
Full Article:
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles...0001424052702304536104579560021265554240.html
ayr0n
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22 bullet would be the cheapest method, and pretty humane assuming they don't survive the first shot 
Plus why give people a humane death that are deserving of death? All I know is we're too hard on people that shouldn't be criminilized at all and wayyyy too soft on ppl like child molestors and shit. My idea of justice would be if all sexual criminals (males for this example) would be tied to a chair naked, have several beautiful woman come in naked and arouse them, then stick numerous needles and other sharp objects into their erect penis and bleed them out. Humane? No...just human.
Plus why give people a humane death that are deserving of death? All I know is we're too hard on people that shouldn't be criminilized at all and wayyyy too soft on ppl like child molestors and shit. My idea of justice would be if all sexual criminals (males for this example) would be tied to a chair naked, have several beautiful woman come in naked and arouse them, then stick numerous needles and other sharp objects into their erect penis and bleed them out. Humane? No...just human.
UncleBuck
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22 bullet would be the cheapest method, and pretty humane assuming they don't survive the first shot
i think we have an amendment about this sort of thing.
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted
but since it's not the second amendment, about half the forum doesn't care about it or acknowledge its existence.
DonAlejandroVega
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"... why give people a humane death that are deserving of death? "
so we don't become as sick and twisted as they are..............
so we don't become as sick and twisted as they are..............
Doer
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You don't know that. And to your credit, I doubt it..
That is exactly what this guy would have said.
When the horror of the deed overcomes you, it is quite physical and gut wrenching. REALITY BITES. "I wudda,", sucks.
You act like a stone cold bugger about something like that, though, you are just digging yourself a deeper hole.
You would hope to be human in a situation like that.
DonAlejandroVega
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sounds gripping, thanks; I'll check it out.
Canna Sylvan
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so, you assert that you would consider yourself a murderer under those same circumstances?
When did I say that was murder? You really need to stop hanging out with Justin Bieber.
Canna Sylvan
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That is the human thing to do in that sort of situation. The horror is the dude who tried to rape that other dude's 7 yo daughter.
Dr Kynes
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Canna Sylvan
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I was high too. Everyone in my house was asleep and I was bored.
Dr Kynes
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so you ARE a murderer! viciously slaughtering those innocent doobies!
