"How to" Mushroom BRF Tek.

zer0ed

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i see both sides of this one for sure. by no means do i judge the guy for growing weed or shrooms, nor would i hope many on this site would. but it is what it is, and it IS that he got raided. this does usually mean disclosure of documents, and whether or not its ACTUALLY dangerous, its something i wouldnt risk period (same goes for seed banks). iam all about being off the books as much as possible, i dont even like the idea of a MMJ card just because iam on paper somewhere.

so all in all, i dont judge them at all, but it does show they practice unsafe business tactics for their 'operation' and that i should probably go with someone who hasnt been raided yet. lots of good words on ralphsters and sporeworks these days, might start looking into them soon =D
I always tell ppl to go with their gut. sporeworks is great, and i've heard good things about ralphsters.

BUT also remember, spores are completely legal for "Microscope use" except in the 3 forbidden states. and reputable vendors don't ship to those 3 states anyways.

And since they are legal, and all your going to use them for is looking under a microscope right? who cares if they have your address? Also, he got Raided in Canada, so i seriously doubt that the canadian police sent a list if addresses to the DEA, of people who bought legal spores.
 
That would be Cali, Georgia, and Idaho.

I ordered a couple syringes from spores101 awhile back, but since the bust happened in Canada I'm not really worried about it. I never have anything sent to my house, or pay with my own CC's, anyway. Not a fan of paper trails leading back to me.
 

researchkitty

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And since they are legal, and all your going to use them for is looking under a microscope right? who cares if they have your address? Also, he got Raided in Canada, so i seriously doubt that the canadian police sent a list if addresses to the DEA, of people who bought legal spores.
WRONG. WAY fuckin WRONG. Ever hear of those operations where they seize a hydro store and then use their shipping logs to find grow houses? It may be legal to do X, but if police have a list of people buying X, then they put Y and X together and you Z yourself in Jail! NEVER underestimate the ability of police and federal agents. NEVER. Nobody thought a hydro stores shipping logs would bust them until the DEA collected the data for a FEW YEARS then busted EVERYONE AT ONCE. So they are in Canada, so what? Just makes it easier to track shipments coming INTO the USA. Buying from a USA supplier is MUCH more reliable! You have a lot to learn ObiWan. :) Great intentions, but think things through more. :)
 

zer0ed

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WRONG. WAY fuckin WRONG. Ever hear of those operations where they seize a hydro store and then use their shipping logs to find grow houses? It may be legal to do X, but if police have a list of people buying X, then they put Y and X together and you Z yourself in Jail! NEVER underestimate the ability of police and federal agents. NEVER. Nobody thought a hydro stores shipping logs would bust them until the DEA collected the data for a FEW YEARS then busted EVERYONE AT ONCE. So they are in Canada, so what? Just makes it easier to track shipments coming INTO the USA. Buying from a USA supplier is MUCH more reliable! You have a lot to learn ObiWan. :) Great intentions, but think things through more. :)
alright, alright. i'll give this one to you. I've never bought anything from 101, nor would i ever. but i won one of their contests, and got $50 worth of syringes free. and they were the lightest syringes i had ever seen. but i've heard of many that have had success with them. and few complaints.

But i'm just here to help. so if anyone has any questions. . . . .
 

researchkitty

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I dont meant to distract from a VERY useful guide that you've put together in an easy to read fashion either, it was just the spores101 part that caught my attention the most. The guide is quite useful and explains things in much more of a plain language than most of them on shroomery.org.
 

KlosetKing

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I dont meant to distract from a VERY useful guide that you've put together in an easy to read fashion either, it was just the spores101 part that caught my attention the most. The guide is quite useful and explains things in much more of a plain language than most of them on shroomery.org.
indeed. i also just plain like having it on RIU, keep all my growing inquiries consolidated into one website =D
 

zer0ed

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If anyone needs additinal things to read, you should check out ShroomTalk.com I'm a council member over there, and i consider it my home. Its very much more like a community, of people helping each other.
There is a lot of very helpful people that are always willing to help, and answer questions. and many are even willing to trade spore prints.

check it out.
 

researchkitty

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Damn man nothing against you twice, but I'd not recommend shroomtalk.com, the same place that owns spores101. Shroomery.org is by far the largest most stable community for mushrooms and not owned by the same legal problematic people.
 

slayer#1

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i have a quick question im fruiting and there seems to be a white fuzz on the stems is this mycylium or is this bad shit
 
i have a quick question im fruiting and there seems to be a white fuzz on the stems is this mycylium or is this bad shit
If it is more towards the bottom of the stem then thats mycellium, and is normal. If your growing cakes you should notice that every shroom has a fuzzy white mycellium patch at its base.
 

zer0ed

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If it is more towards the bottom of the stem then thats mycellium, and is normal. If your growing cakes you should notice that every shroom has a fuzzy white mycellium patch at its base.
Yeah, its normal. some strains more then others. just let them grow, its all good.
 

researchkitty

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My first 24 jars are now about half colonized. I didnt know to shake the syringe, so some are colonizing faster than others. Today I'll innoculate another 48 jars that were pressure cooked yesterday. All half pints of course. Then in another week another 48 jars............. Not sure how many to make as nobody can give me any hint of a yield, so just going to go big the first time around. ;)
 

zer0ed

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My first 24 jars are now about half colonized. I didnt know to shake the syringe, so some are colonizing faster than others. Today I'll innoculate another 48 jars that were pressure cooked yesterday. All half pints of course. Then in another week another 48 jars............. Not sure how many to make as nobody can give me any hint of a yield, so just going to go big the first time around. ;)
of course its hard to count the chickens before they hatch, but you could have anywhere from 5 grams to 10 grams dry per cake.
and i bet it lands somewhere right in the middle of those numbers. shaking the syringe helps, because if you dont, u could have some injection sites that dont grow. or you unknowingly use most of your spores with the first few injections leaving mostly water for the rest. But learing from mistakes is what its all about. i bet u remember next time *smile*
keep us updated as to how you do.
 

researchkitty

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Thanks for the yield expectation suggestion. Would that be per cake, per roll? Or would that be over the course of 2 flushes? 3 flushes? 5? Does yield vary much between strains? Does it matter that I use Wal-Mart Brown Rice and grind it up with a coffee grinder into a flour or should I buy organic brown rice flour already floured?

I'm a little confused on the tubs and the polyfill/holes at the pearlite layer. If I'm using an air pump, I was considering the ones that are used in hydro that pump 8 outlets that could go one outlet per tub. It looks like about a dozen brf cakes per tub. Wouldnt that cause humidity to go way down, or is the pump just on a timer or something? Building my fruiting chambers is next, just planned on a room with shelves and tubs sitting on them so far.
 

KlosetKing

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My first 24 jars are now about half colonized. I didnt know to shake the syringe, so some are colonizing faster than others. Today I'll innoculate another 48 jars that were pressure cooked yesterday. All half pints of course. Then in another week another 48 jars............. Not sure how many to make as nobody can give me any hint of a yield, so just going to go big the first time around. ;)
fuckin eh man giterdun!

dunno when ill be finally getting around to doin it myself, but you easily doubled if not tripled what i was thinking about doing. your gunna be one happy fellow =D
 

researchkitty

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It still seems low budget really. Everything is so inexpensive. Jars, tubs, spores. I'm surprised more growers dont do it since there's no electric cost and no smell and shrooms always sell very well.
 

zer0ed

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Thanks for the yield expectation suggestion. Would that be per cake, per roll? Or would that be over the course of 2 flushes? 3 flushes? 5? Does yield vary much between strains? Does it matter that I use Wal-Mart Brown Rice and grind it up with a coffee grinder into a flour or should I buy organic brown rice flour already floured?

I'm a little confused on the tubs and the polyfill/holes at the pearlite layer. If I'm using an air pump, I was considering the ones that are used in hydro that pump 8 outlets that could go one outlet per tub. It looks like about a dozen brf cakes per tub. Wouldnt that cause humidity to go way down, or is the pump just on a timer or something? Building my fruiting chambers is next, just planned on a room with shelves and tubs sitting on them so far.
Oh, for starters, i'm Glad you asking questions! good ones too! I welcome any intelligent, and honestly asked questions. I tried not to go into too much detail on my explanations, because i didn't want it to be ridiculously long, or too confusing.

It would be per cake per roll/flush.
5 grams is closer to average but on the low side. expect around 7 grams.
10 grams is optimum. the most you ever see somtimes is 11 to 12 grams.

Yeild is strain and genetic related. some strains yeild better then others. also you can "clone" better yeilding genetics that you find within a strain. Say one cake does amazingly well, and you get this picture perfect mushroom on that cake made by god himself. you could using a steril knife cut a small piece about the size of a grain of rice out of the middle of the stem, part that has not been exposed to air. then drop that piece into a "Liquid Culture" the growth from that liquid would be a genetic replica of that mushroom and can then be injected into more jars. Doing it this would get you better yeilds and faster growth. Its the way the pros do it. Its very comparible to using clones when growing weed. and using spores is like using seeds. "multispore" syringes is like a genetic lottery much like using seeds. you have an idea where the genetics came from, and know the strain. but u could still get a wide veriety of diffrent looking mushrooms. I'm not going to get into details about clones and liquid cultures just yet. but thats the idea.

I have always used the store bought BRF. But i really want to try grinding my own. any bag of brown rice could work. but if you can find the word "organic" writen on the outside, thats even better. if its not orgainic, there is a chance they sprayed fungisides on the rice crops, and thats pretty counter productive. lol

Ok, to further explain the polyfil hole, perlite layer. Its picture time!


You see those White Puff balls at the center left and right of the picture? that is a ball of "polyfil" Polyfil is stuffed animal/pillow stuffing you can find it cheap at most hobby/craft stores. The reason for using polyfil is that its synthetic and nothing can grow on it. if we tried using say cotton. Cotton is organic, and might invite contaminations. You see the white layer on the floor of the chamber? that is perlite. you can see that the polyfil balls are just above the perlite level. Perlite has a large surface area, and holds water well. as the water evaporates off the perlite, it creates humidity. thats why we use it. but u want to try to keep the cakes from touching it a much as possible, so i use jar lids. but you could also use a square of aluminum foil. Also u can see that i fit 12 cakes into this chamber. Although the center row is a little tight, to make room for the polyfill balls.

the cake in the bottom right you can see that it looks much more brown. thats because its the newest cake in this chamber. while the cake in the top left is much more white. It was one of the first cakes in the chamber.
 

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