daloudpack
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i can deal with a few seeds as long as im not INFESTED
how much Dolomite Lime?
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Darth Vapour
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looks like neither TBH
daloudpack
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thanks darth
green_machine_two9er
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Looks like nanners to me. If not genetic just try to reduce stress. Like bending. Cropping. Heat. Wind. Light leaks. One of these is most likely the culprit. But i do agree with shluby that some strains just always want to thrown em. Or ive got one liberty haze pheno that always did. While the other four never did
Forte
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add a 1/4 cup per cf after every grow.
ShLUbY
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yup less stress will def help. if you had a fem seed or the cut you got was from fem seed then you're going to have them. IME they never caused me more than a dozen seeds in an entire plant. and that is a rare occurrence.
Here is the main problem with that article and the study it was based off of. It was a SOIL study, you know, actual dirt.
Our container mixes we make, SS, LC's recipes, FFOF, Roots are soil LESS. There is no actual dirt in them. The study makes sense for my raised bed gardens that contain a huge amount of native red clay and a CEC that's through the roof and I've read the study several times because it relates directly to that.
To my peat based soiless mix it has very little relevance. The only stuff that is in there is what I add, or what is added to bagged mixes. There are no native minerals.
It is a very basic point that everyone seems to miss, or, just not understand.
MO, this rant was NOT directed at you at all. It's common usage to call what are actually soiless mixes, soil, or soil mixes and it can be confusing. You just happened to post the link.
Wet
ShLUbY
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yes and no. soil is living, at least that's how my textbooks have always defined it... and what is in these containers is living, though it is facilitated by us, yes. but you are right; no there is no parent material, and in no way is it like the weathered product we find in the natural world. clay CEC is where it's at for sure!
i will say though, I didn't even need a living soil for the dolomite to hold my ph in check when i was using age old organic nutes crap until recently. true, the calcium and mag were probably not being released fast enough to meet the plant's needs but that didn't matter because i was supplying it anyway. but as far as holding Ph for me, it definitely worked. i saw huge improvement in my cannabis garden when i started using the dolomite in terms of yield and quality.
wish i could employ a little more of that clay CEC into the bins. i have some bentonite clay, but i can't remember where i saw a suggested amount per cuft to use. you use any products like this @Wetdog ?
daloudpack
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thanks for the help guys
daloudpack
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it is in face a fem seed (buzz light gear ) from dr krippling.... the plant hasnt had to much stress at all , but since u say wind i have a fan blowing between the top of my plants and 1000w hps towards my exhaust unfortunatley buzz is the talles one and in the back of the room so the wind does hit it but i dont have wind burn or anything like that.... imma keep a close eye on her and see what happens.... like i said she still has 6 weeks left on her so only time will tell ...
Mohican
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Thanks for the clarification. I am using promix based super soil and also growing directly in the ground. I have a clay soil I have been amending for years to get it to open up. Turns out all I needed were worms and compost.
I have been trying different ratios of clay to my SS mix and it takes very little to close up the soil so start small. It is amazing how much power a little clay has.
I have been trying different ratios of clay to my SS mix and it takes very little to close up the soil so start small. It is amazing how much power a little clay has.
ShLUbY
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yeah i wanna say i used like 1/4 cup in 2 cubic feet.... something to that effect when i mixed my last container. Waiting on a shipment from BAS to get another batch of soil going. ran out of the powdered gypsum i was using and saw the stuff on BAS and figured that was gonna be better product. i'll be mixing all weekend! Damnit i need to get around to that worm bin though lol. I'm bout to rebuild my flower room though. getting rid of the botrytis tent, or so i dubbed it that because i never had it before until i started using that thing about 8 months ago. WARNING: if you buy a grow tent second hand... inspect every damn nook and cranny of that fukin thing. I didn't and it cost me a lot of nice colas. Just buy a new one, or make a room. it cost me double in the long run
greasemonkeymann
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Interesting.
I'm curious (and this isn't in a asinine way)
what exactly defines dirt/soil then? (again, asking in a peaceful way)
I was always under the understanding it was the content of biological life, humus, microbial life, etc, etc.
My understanding was a soil-less mix would be more like a promix or something of that like, and even still, peat is technically a compost (just a reaaaaally long composted one).
I view my "soil" as soil, the primary ingredient being a well composted leaf mold-mix.
but honestly it doesn't change anything, I could call it hippy-happy-humus-housing for my microbes.
Doesn't mean it's different.
Hmm actually has a nice ring to it...
Hippy-happy-humus-housing.
ShLUbY
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you have inspired me to get my notebooks out from a few classes i took...
5 basic functions of soil:
-medium for plant growth (anchor point)
-system for water purification
-habitat for organisms
-modifier for the atmosphere (carbon cycle/hydrologic cycle/nitrogen cycle)
-recycling system (composting)
a 6th function is of engineering standpoint for foundation. but that's a whole nother perspective.
geologists and archeologists have their own definitions having more to do with the parent material/rocks and minerals.
definition of soil from my understanding of the soil management class: having the ability to retain water, and provide for the growth and habitat of plants and organisms. soil is alive!
dirt = the stuff you sweep up off of your floors in your house.
highly organic soil is anything with more than 25% OM. anything less is considered a mineral soil. but again that is for a natural soil, weathered parent material.
the more you break it down, the more technical you can get.
greasemonkeymann
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interesting, so we are indeed in a soil mix, as opposed to soil-less.
Good to know.
I'm confused on the "system for water purification " part though.
ShLUbY
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the soil is how ground water gets filtered/purified. as gravity pulls water down to the water table it is filtered through multiple horizons of different soils. and ground water is flowing which is filtering water very slowly.
greasemonkeymann
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Ahh, gotcha.
*I* guess I define soil as stuff that has decomposed rocks in it. You know, what's in the back 40 that you need a plow to work. Whether 'mineralized' or highly organic. Mainly the stuff that has minerals native to it.
Bagged soils don't have this unless added and my mix only has what I add. Mainly some granite dust and Azomite.
Like ShLUbY says, it gets so technical you'll go crazy. But, peat based mixes aren't *soil*, not as far as this study was concerned. I don't treat my mostly native soil raised bed gardens like I do my container, peat based mix. They are 2 similar, but different animals.
This is my main bitch, some trying to apply a study on *native* soils, to mixes made by man. Semantics aside, they just aren't the same.
Really wish I could 'splain myself better.
Wet
Bagged soils don't have this unless added and my mix only has what I add. Mainly some granite dust and Azomite.
Like ShLUbY says, it gets so technical you'll go crazy. But, peat based mixes aren't *soil*, not as far as this study was concerned. I don't treat my mostly native soil raised bed gardens like I do my container, peat based mix. They are 2 similar, but different animals.
This is my main bitch, some trying to apply a study on *native* soils, to mixes made by man. Semantics aside, they just aren't the same.
Really wish I could 'splain myself better.
Wet