spencer2121
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Please help. I'm guessing 3 months veg
How long would it take to veg out a 5x5 bush under a 1000w mh using scrog?
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CaptainCarnival
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what strain is it? and how are you growing?
spencer2121
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Purple kush, and soil, 15gallon pots. Earths organic and promix . 1000 watt metal halide
spencer2121
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1 15 gallon pot* so one plant
spencer2121
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Debating on how to get the much under each 1000 watt. My theory is that using scrog would be the best because more surface of the plant would be hitting the light. Also the plant would be more mature therefor producing better quality medicine?
deza
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no way.. im @ 4 weeks veg and i had size problems.. they got too big too fast.. 22 inches tall in 4 weeks of veg.
i just turned into flower mode yesterday.. they normally double in size when they in flower after veg.. so veg according to the size you have available to you.
spencer2121
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I know how long to veg, until I fill my screen. I'm asking how long it's gonna take to fill a 5x5 or 6x6 screen
deza
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Your talking metres right?.. thats alot of vegging....
sorry i canrt be of more help.
spencer2121
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Feet, I'm in the USA lol sry
deza
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i did some research.. its hard to say because all strains are different so you will need to judge on your own.
best way to go about it is.. get them to fill your tent/room under veg atleast half full.. then expect double the size when you flower them from there..
calculate this and do it that way... thats my best opinion.
i would say two months of veg should be good.. get the light close as you can without burning them and watch them blow up!
Humbleservantoftheplant
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Hey, Spencer,
In short, it will take you just about 2 months to fill up a 4X4 to 5X5 screen for a SCROG, using one plant in a 15 gallon pot.
Now for the long description:
I've grown a single plant SCROG in a 4X4 grow tent before, using a 1000w light, and a 15 gallon soil pot like you're describing. An easy way to do it is to simply start out by growing the plant straight up without a screen. Top it repeatedly (by FIMing it, plucking out the top node, etc.) until you have 6-8 tops on it. Veg it up from there for about 4-8 weeks, under CFLs, T5, etc. until it reaches a height of about 4 feet. In your case, the 1000w MH will be excellent, and you will get a massive, healthy main stalk.
At this point you can go into the lower part of the plant, go about 10-12" up, and twist and gently bend each main stalk until it gently lays over sideways. This will give you a branch sticking out sideways about 2-3 feet. Do this to each stalk, and you will get a table top that is perfect for laying into a SCROG. Next, put your screen in on top of your now table-topped plant. Since the stalk is already mushy down below, it will bend gently as you weave the branches over and under through the screen. Since each branch is roughly 2.5 feet in length, you now have a square that is 5 feet across in every direction. This way, you can now flip to 12/12 immediately in your screen and it will already by about 90% filled out. In the first three weeks of 12/12 the plant will stretch, and bud sites will pop up and grow vertically all along every horizontal branch.
Another way to do it is, as you've likely seen, to place the screen in from the beginning and weave your way on out in every direction until the screen fills in. Honestly, this just always seemed like a waste of a lot of energy to me. It's way easier to just grow a plant straight up, popping apical nodes out once a week for two months than it is to weave branches on a plant that's becoming evermore tied down... Once you get that bitch in there, she isn't going to move. So why not just get her into the screen in like 35 minutes, one night, when you're nice and baked, and just sit back and watch the nuggets fill in? Just my take on things... Happy growing to you.
In short, it will take you just about 2 months to fill up a 4X4 to 5X5 screen for a SCROG, using one plant in a 15 gallon pot.
Now for the long description:
I've grown a single plant SCROG in a 4X4 grow tent before, using a 1000w light, and a 15 gallon soil pot like you're describing. An easy way to do it is to simply start out by growing the plant straight up without a screen. Top it repeatedly (by FIMing it, plucking out the top node, etc.) until you have 6-8 tops on it. Veg it up from there for about 4-8 weeks, under CFLs, T5, etc. until it reaches a height of about 4 feet. In your case, the 1000w MH will be excellent, and you will get a massive, healthy main stalk.
At this point you can go into the lower part of the plant, go about 10-12" up, and twist and gently bend each main stalk until it gently lays over sideways. This will give you a branch sticking out sideways about 2-3 feet. Do this to each stalk, and you will get a table top that is perfect for laying into a SCROG. Next, put your screen in on top of your now table-topped plant. Since the stalk is already mushy down below, it will bend gently as you weave the branches over and under through the screen. Since each branch is roughly 2.5 feet in length, you now have a square that is 5 feet across in every direction. This way, you can now flip to 12/12 immediately in your screen and it will already by about 90% filled out. In the first three weeks of 12/12 the plant will stretch, and bud sites will pop up and grow vertically all along every horizontal branch.
Another way to do it is, as you've likely seen, to place the screen in from the beginning and weave your way on out in every direction until the screen fills in. Honestly, this just always seemed like a waste of a lot of energy to me. It's way easier to just grow a plant straight up, popping apical nodes out once a week for two months than it is to weave branches on a plant that's becoming evermore tied down... Once you get that bitch in there, she isn't going to move. So why not just get her into the screen in like 35 minutes, one night, when you're nice and baked, and just sit back and watch the nuggets fill in? Just my take on things... Happy growing to you.
spencer2121
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What do u think I could yield. Whats average and what could I count on for sure? Yea I'm a decent grower if I say so myself. I pulled 7oz dry out of a 20x30 inch space in my closet of nirvana ice. I'm growing purple kush now and I know it's a pretty generous yielder so I'm guessing maybe 15oz per plant but I'd like to know what u got? Also how much was ur evilly per month? I appreciate ur long detailed response bro. I'm sorry but I can't help but think if I did the scrog the "hard way" id fill up more of the screen hence bigger and more buds? Please give me ur opinion I really appreciate the time u take to help me
spencer2121
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E bill not evilly lol damn iPad lol
Humbleservantoftheplant
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Hahaha, damn you, autocorrect!! No worries, man. Thanks for your replies as well! I'm happy to be of help! If I can manage it, I'll post you some pics of what I'm talking about here in a minute... I've been growing for years but I'm new to posting on forums! I don't even know how to add pictures yet, but I can tell you anything you need to know about SCROG!!
So, as far as yield goes, this is of course one of "those questions"--i.e. the type that always gets asked, but that is always hard to answer because it's so subjective, and so contingent upon a number of factors... That being said, if you are rocking a beefy strain like Heavy Duty Fruity, or a nice Kush cut, as is the case with your grow, you can expect a FAT yield out of this set up.
15 oz per plant is definitely feasible from this set up, provided you give it the right kind of love. Those 15 gallon pots are soooo awesome for a SCROG like this too. You can fit 2 of them into a 4x4 or 5x5 space for sure, but my current set up is just one plant in a 15 gallon pot, right smack dab in the middle of that 1000w HPS. The canopy filled out just as I described it to you, and now I have this awesome table of buds...
I've grown in a 4x4 tent for a couple of years now and I absolutely love it. The corner posts make perfect SCROG anchors, and I routinely pulled 12 ounces out of this tent during my formative stages... If you've got some experience, a nice Purple Kush cut, and a healthy and balanced nutrient line, you can definitely push 12+ ounces a plant out of this set up.
As far as starting the SCROG from a single towering bush and turning it into a table top versus starting it as a baby and weaving it into a table top, I can't really say which is better per se. The end result is essentially the same; you end up with a table top of buds all receiving even distribution of the most intense light. I would venture to guess that your internode spacing would be tighter in a plant that is grown in the SCROG from its earliest stages. But, a plant that is grown straight up and then snapped over will have much stronger support stems. Plants that are scrogged from the beginning tend to be really stringy and bendy. When I've grown plants straight up and then bent them over, I've still filled the screen out to the point that it blacks out anything below, and I've had bud sites pop up every couple of inches...
In short, I really haven't seen the benefit of putting a plant into SCROG right from the beginning. I prefer to grow her up, and then snap her over... Pictures soon to follow...
So, as far as yield goes, this is of course one of "those questions"--i.e. the type that always gets asked, but that is always hard to answer because it's so subjective, and so contingent upon a number of factors... That being said, if you are rocking a beefy strain like Heavy Duty Fruity, or a nice Kush cut, as is the case with your grow, you can expect a FAT yield out of this set up.
15 oz per plant is definitely feasible from this set up, provided you give it the right kind of love. Those 15 gallon pots are soooo awesome for a SCROG like this too. You can fit 2 of them into a 4x4 or 5x5 space for sure, but my current set up is just one plant in a 15 gallon pot, right smack dab in the middle of that 1000w HPS. The canopy filled out just as I described it to you, and now I have this awesome table of buds...
I've grown in a 4x4 tent for a couple of years now and I absolutely love it. The corner posts make perfect SCROG anchors, and I routinely pulled 12 ounces out of this tent during my formative stages... If you've got some experience, a nice Purple Kush cut, and a healthy and balanced nutrient line, you can definitely push 12+ ounces a plant out of this set up.
As far as starting the SCROG from a single towering bush and turning it into a table top versus starting it as a baby and weaving it into a table top, I can't really say which is better per se. The end result is essentially the same; you end up with a table top of buds all receiving even distribution of the most intense light. I would venture to guess that your internode spacing would be tighter in a plant that is grown in the SCROG from its earliest stages. But, a plant that is grown straight up and then snapped over will have much stronger support stems. Plants that are scrogged from the beginning tend to be really stringy and bendy. When I've grown plants straight up and then bent them over, I've still filled the screen out to the point that it blacks out anything below, and I've had bud sites pop up every couple of inches...
In short, I really haven't seen the benefit of putting a plant into SCROG right from the beginning. I prefer to grow her up, and then snap her over... Pictures soon to follow...
RawBudzski
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I am doing 1 plant scrog under a 600w.. its a 4x4 screen, my clone is a bush, has been topped twice & vegged 2 months so far.. I have not even began weaving it !
Humbleservantoftheplant
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Ok, so here's an attempt at uploading some pictures...
Humbleservantoftheplant
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Damn! That might have been the easiest thing I've ever done! Ok, so you can see the progression above of what I've done.
I took the single tall bush, bent her over in every direction about 12" from the bottom, and put a screen on top of her. I then weaved her branches, and flipped her into 12/2 that night. The pictures at the far right show up to week 2. I'm currently in week 3 of this grow. Happy growing!
I took the single tall bush, bent her over in every direction about 12" from the bottom, and put a screen on top of her. I then weaved her branches, and flipped her into 12/2 that night. The pictures at the far right show up to week 2. I'm currently in week 3 of this grow. Happy growing!
Humbleservantoftheplant
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Sorry, that should say 12/12.
spencer2121
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Nice! I'm gonna go GH I love the results and it's affordable. I'm begging two nice pk clones that now have some nice roots. I hit them hard with the micro mutes by GH n they have really started to look nice and lush
spencer2121
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Vegging damn u iPad!