How do I get to heaven? Answers to your questions on eternal life.

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Faith comes by hearing the word of God.
The Word of God is The Holy Bible
I am digging around and i found this ebook that might interest you: Christian Handbook of reason and Insight for Scientists and Technologists.

http://www.christianapologetic.org/docs/Christian%20Handbook%20of%20REason%20and%20Insight%20for%20Scientists%20and%20Technologists.pdf
I progressed to the point where the author misrepresents the Big Bang theory. He claims without citation that the Big Bang requires the pre-existence of space and time. This is not so. I have not gone on, since in a chain of logic you need only break one link. cn
 

Heisenberg

Well-Known Member
I am digging around and i found this ebook that might interest you: Christian Handbook of reason and Insight for Scientists and Technologists.

http://www.christianapologetic.org/docs/Christian%20Handbook%20of%20REason%20and%20Insight%20for%20Scientists%20and%20Technologists.pdf

If salvation depends on faith, and faith requires no evidence or reasoning, then why do Christians spend time trying to provide evidence? Could it be that faith is help back as an 'out' whenever questions get too difficult to answer? You pretend to value faith while searching for reason, invalidating your own words.
 

OldGrowth420

Well-Known Member
I am searching for something tangible for all of those demanding evidence.
My faith is based upon evidence i have gathered over my lifetime.

Where did matter, time, and space originate if not created?

Even if you believe in the big bang theory, all of the components of our universe had to originate somewhere.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
I am searching for something tangible for all of those demanding evidence.
My faith is based upon evidence i have gathered over my lifetime.

Where did matter, time, and space originate if not created?

Even if you believe in the big bang theory, all of the components of our universe had to originate somewhere.
Imo this is anthropic thinking: that the Universe has to make sense to mankind.

At this stage in our history, scientific questions about the "source" or "matrix" or "word not yet invented" for the Big Bang cannot be answered within science, because the scientific mind operates entirely within time and space. What we can say is that time and space are apparently bounded by an earliest moment/extent. We're reduced to metaphysics, a grand "what-if" game still hewing as closely to known principles of nature as we can manage.

Nobody can state that the universe was created or simply happened. So far no "simply happened" theory has been gunned down, and in my opinion a theory that incorporates deliberate creation is not necessary or preferred by what we know so far. cn
 

3 Pounds of Weeden

Active Member
You seem to disregard everyone else's opinion and shove yours down our throats. It's pompous to believe your god is THE god. Have you ever stepped outside of Christianity? You can't know the world from your home.
 

Kite High

Well-Known Member
I am searching for something tangible for all of those demanding evidence.
My faith is based upon evidence i have gathered over my lifetime.

Where did matter, time, and space originate if not created?

Even if you believe in the big bang theory, all of the components of our universe had to originate somewhere.
The Word of God is The Holy Bible
Your lack of knowledge of the very text of your book as you term it "Holy Bible" is asinine and your proposed faith based upon that text when you do not know it makes it impossible for anyone to give your words merit
 

bmeat

New Member
I am searching for something tangible for all of those demanding evidence.
My faith is based upon evidence i have gathered over my lifetime.

Where did matter, time, and space originate if not created?

Even if you believe in the big bang theory, all of the components of our universe had to originate somewhere.
the creator made it man! the one and only god! the geniuses on our earth solved for time, for energy, solved chaos, basically for everything, but no one could ever figure out how to create energy.

sure we can tranfer energy, but there is no way to destory it or create it. it momentum always moves on (which is fascinating in itself) but whats even more fascinating was who setup that ball of energy, that spewed life everywhere, that landed on all the rocks, and where the environment was forgiving (non toxic air, correct temperature, water thats not frozen or evaportaing in two seconds etc.) the life forms evolved into what we see today. since the plant had homeostatis, life learned homeostatis.

we adapt to the enviornment, and NEVER the other way around. someone created all this, but who, who was the ONE thing that created energy? we may never know..

supposedly we have telescopes on satellites that show there are other galaxies out there...setup much like ours..with a white dwarf star thats pulled rocks into its gravitational field, and these solar system too have one planet that is the perfect distance to harbor life..

i wonder if on them if mammals are the most evolved. if they are, are they behind us or ahead of us in evolution? if not mammals, then what species is evolved over there?

the dinosaurs would have never devolved into birds if there was no collison, and they probably would still be evolving and owning our planet if they didnt die off and make space for us to evolve. the only reason the flying ones survived was becuase they could fly away and get food, but since their populaiton was so small, and they never mainted a home with homeostasis, they devolved into birds, and left room for mammals to evolve. when you hear a bird, think x1000 haha.

so much to think about.
 

Kite High

Well-Known Member
the creator made it man! the one and only god! the geniuses on our earth solved for time, for energy, solved chaos, basically for everything, but no one could ever figure out how to create energy.

sure we can tranfer energy, but there is no way to destory it or create it. it momentum always moves on (which is fascinating in itself) but whats even more fascinating was who setup that ball of energy, that spewed life everywhere, that landed on all the rocks, and where the environment was forgiving (non toxic air, correct temperature, water thats not frozen or evaportaing in two seconds etc.) the life forms evolved into what we see today. since the plant had homeostatis, life learned homeostatis.

we adapt to the enviornment, and NEVER the other way around. someone created all this, but who, who was the ONE thing that created energy? we may never know..

supposedly we have telescopes on satellites that show there are other galaxies out there...setup much like ours..with a white dwarf star thats pulled rocks into its gravitational field, and these solar system too have one planet that is the perfect distance to harbor life..

i wonder if on them if mammals are the most evolved. if they are, are they behind us or ahead of us in evolution? if not mammals, then what species is evolved over there?

the dinosaurs would have never devolved into birds if there was no collison, and they probably would still be evolving and owning our planet if they didnt die off and make space for us to evolve. the only reason the flying ones survived was becuase they could fly away and get food, but since their populaiton was so small, and they never mainted a home with homeostasis, they devolved into birds, and left room for mammals to evolve. when you hear a bird, think x1000 haha.

so much to think about.
WTF?......wow..... you seriously think dinos devolved into birds? They evolved dude...birds are warm blooded and much better suited to existing so how can it be devolution?
 

bmeat

New Member
WTF?......wow..... you seriously think dinos devolved into birds? They evolved dude...birds are warm blooded and much better suited to existing so how can it be devolution?
"Birds (class Aves) are feathered, winged, bipedal, endothermic (warm-blooded), egg-laying, vertebrate animals. With around 10,000 living species, they are the most speciose class of tetrapod vertebrates. All present species belong to the subclass Neornithes, and inhabit ecosystems across the globe, from the Arctic to the Antarctic. Extant birds range in size from the 5 cm (2 in) Bee Hummingbird to the 2.75 m (9 ft) Ostrich. The fossil record indicates that birds emerged within theropod dinosaurs during the Jurassic period, around 160 million years (Ma) ago. Paleontologists regard birds as the only clade of dinosaurs to have survived the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event 65.5 Ma (million years) ago."
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
"Birds (class Aves) are feathered, winged, bipedal, endothermic (warm-blooded), egg-laying, vertebrate animals. With around 10,000 living species, they are the most speciose class of tetrapod vertebrates. All present species belong to the subclass Neornithes, and inhabit ecosystems across the globe, from the Arctic to the Antarctic. Extant birds range in size from the 5 cm (2 in) Bee Hummingbird to the 2.75 m (9 ft) Ostrich. The fossil record indicates that birds emerged within theropod dinosaurs during the Jurassic period, around 160 million years (Ma) ago. Paleontologists regard birds as the only clade of dinosaurs to have survived the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event 65.5 Ma (million years) ago."
All true and good, but the word "devolve" injects a value judgment imo. The only common feature of evolution is the direction of time. A cave lizard that lost its eyes - is this devolution? I say no; it is adaptation to a new environment. Eyes cost energy to run, and are an unnecessary metabolic expense in a dark place where food is probably not abundant. cn
 

Zaehet Strife

Well-Known Member
...the pineal is where faith is established.
I'm sorry for pickin on you all the time, but bro... this is just absolutely not true.

This is a good read if any of you have the time.

CN, i think you might really like this read.

"Religious belief and behaviour are a hallmark of human life, with no accepted
animal equivalent, and found in all cultures," said Professor Jordan Grafman,
from the US National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke in Bethesda,
near Washington. "Our results are unique in demonstrating that specific
components of religious belief are mediated by well-known brain networks, and
they support contemporary psychological theories that ground religious belief
within evolutionary-adaptive cognitive functions."

Scientists are divided on whether religious belief has a biological basis.
Some evolutionary theorists have suggested that Darwinian natural selection may
have put a premium on individuals if they were able to use religious belief to
survive hardships that may have overwhelmed those with no religious convictions.
Others have suggested that religious belief is a side effect of a wider trait in
the human brain to search for coherent beliefs about the outside world. Religion
and the belief in God, they argue, are just a manifestation of this intrinsic,
biological phenomenon that makes the human brain so intelligent and
adaptable.

The latest study, published in the journal Proceedings of the National
Academy of Sciences, involved analysing the brains of volunteers, who had been
asked to think about religious and moral problems and questions. For the
analysis, the researchers used a functional magnetic-resonance imaging machine,
which can identify the most energetically-active regions of the brain.

They found that people of different religious persuasions and beliefs, as
well as atheists, all tended to use the same electrical circuits in the brain to
solve a perceived moral conundrum – and the same circuits were used when
religiously-inclined people dealt with issues related to God.

The study found that several areas of the brain are involved in religious
belief, one within the frontal lobes of the cortex – which are unique to humans
Professor Grafman said.

"There is nothing unique about religious belief in these brain structures.
Religion doesn't have a 'God spot' as such, instead it's embedded in a whole
range of other belief systems in the brain that we use everyday," Professor
Grafman said.

The search for the God spot has in the past led scientists to many different
regions of the brain. An early contender was the brain's temporal lobe, a large
section of the brain that sits over each ear, because temporal-lobe epileptics
suffering seizures in these regions frequently report having intense religious
experiences. One of the principal exponents of this idea was Vilayanur
Ramachandran, from the University of California, San Diego, who asked several of
his patients with temporal-lobe epilepsy to listen to a mixture of religious,
sexual and neutral words while measuring their levels of arousal and emotional
reactions. Religious words elicited an unusually high response in these
patients.

This work was followed by a study where scientists tried to stimulate the
temporal lobes with a rotating magnetic field produced by a "God helmet".
Michael Persinger, from Laurentian University in Ontario, found that he could
artificially create the experience of religious feelings – the helmet's wearer
reports being in the presence of a spirit or having a profound feeling of cosmic
bliss.

Dr Persinger said that about eight in every 10 volunteers report
quasi-religious feelings when wearing his helmet. However, when Professor
Richard Dawkins, an evolutionist and renowned atheist, wore it during the making
of a BBC documentary, he famously failed to find God, saying that the helmet
only affected his breathing and his limbs.

Other studies of people taking part in Buddhist meditation suggested the
parietal lobes at the upper back region of the brain were involved in
controlling religious belief, in particular the mystical elements that gave
people a feeling of being on a higher plane during prayer.

Andrew Newberg, from the University of Pennsylvania, injected radioactive
isotope into Buddhists at the point at which they achieved meditative nirvana.
Using a special camera, he captured the distribution of the tracer in the brain,
which led the researchers to identify the parietal lobes as playing a key role
during this transcendental state.

Professor Grafman was more interested in how people coped with everyday moral
and religious questions. He said that the latest study, published today,
suggests the brain is inherently sensitive to believing in almost anything if
there are grounds for doing so, but when there is a mystery about something, the
same neural machinery is co-opted in the formulation of religious belief.

"When we have incomplete knowledge of the world around us, it offers us the
opportunities to believe in God. When we don't have a scientific explanation for
something, we tend to rely on supernatural explanations," said Professor
Grafman, who believes in God. "Maybe obeying supernatural forces that we had no
knowledge of made it easier for religious forms of belief to emerge."
 

eye exaggerate

Well-Known Member
I'm sorry for pickin on you all the time, but bro... this is just absolutely not true.

This is a good read if any of you have the time.

CN, i think you might really like this read.

"Religious belief and behaviour are a hallmark of human life, with no accepted
animal equivalent, and found in all cultures," said Professor Jordan Grafman,
from the US National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke in Bethesda,
near Washington. "Our results are unique in demonstrating that specific
components of religious belief are mediated by well-known brain networks, and
they support contemporary psychological theories that ground religious belief
within evolutionary-adaptive cognitive functions."

Scientists are divided on whether religious belief has a biological basis.
Some evolutionary theorists have suggested that Darwinian natural selection may
have put a premium on individuals if they were able to use religious belief to
survive hardships that may have overwhelmed those with no religious convictions.
Others have suggested that religious belief is a side effect of a wider trait in
the human brain to search for coherent beliefs about the outside world. Religion
and the belief in God, they argue, are just a manifestation of this intrinsic,
biological phenomenon that makes the human brain so intelligent and
adaptable.

The latest study, published in the journal Proceedings of the National
Academy of Sciences, involved analysing the brains of volunteers, who had been
asked to think about religious and moral problems and questions. For the
analysis, the researchers used a functional magnetic-resonance imaging machine,
which can identify the most energetically-active regions of the brain.

They found that people of different religious persuasions and beliefs, as
well as atheists, all tended to use the same electrical circuits in the brain to
solve a perceived moral conundrum – and the same circuits were used when
religiously-inclined people dealt with issues related to God.

The study found that several areas of the brain are involved in religious
belief, one within the frontal lobes of the cortex – which are unique to humans
Professor Grafman said.

"There is nothing unique about religious belief in these brain structures.
Religion doesn't have a 'God spot' as such, instead it's embedded in a whole
range of other belief systems in the brain that we use everyday," Professor
Grafman said.

The search for the God spot has in the past led scientists to many different
regions of the brain. An early contender was the brain's temporal lobe, a large
section of the brain that sits over each ear, because temporal-lobe epileptics
suffering seizures in these regions frequently report having intense religious
experiences. One of the principal exponents of this idea was Vilayanur
Ramachandran, from the University of California, San Diego, who asked several of
his patients with temporal-lobe epilepsy to listen to a mixture of religious,
sexual and neutral words while measuring their levels of arousal and emotional
reactions. Religious words elicited an unusually high response in these
patients.

This work was followed by a study where scientists tried to stimulate the
temporal lobes with a rotating magnetic field produced by a "God helmet".
Michael Persinger, from Laurentian University in Ontario, found that he could
artificially create the experience of religious feelings – the helmet's wearer
reports being in the presence of a spirit or having a profound feeling of cosmic
bliss.

Dr Persinger said that about eight in every 10 volunteers report
quasi-religious feelings when wearing his helmet. However, when Professor
Richard Dawkins, an evolutionist and renowned atheist, wore it during the making
of a BBC documentary, he famously failed to find God, saying that the helmet
only affected his breathing and his limbs.

Other studies of people taking part in Buddhist meditation suggested the
parietal lobes at the upper back region of the brain were involved in
controlling religious belief, in particular the mystical elements that gave
people a feeling of being on a higher plane during prayer.

Andrew Newberg, from the University of Pennsylvania, injected radioactive
isotope into Buddhists at the point at which they achieved meditative nirvana.
Using a special camera, he captured the distribution of the tracer in the brain,
which led the researchers to identify the parietal lobes as playing a key role
during this transcendental state.

Professor Grafman was more interested in how people coped with everyday moral
and religious questions. He said that the latest study, published today,
suggests the brain is inherently sensitive to believing in almost anything if
there are grounds for doing so, but when there is a mystery about something, the
same neural machinery is co-opted in the formulation of religious belief.

"When we have incomplete knowledge of the world around us, it offers us the
opportunities to believe in God. When we don't have a scientific explanation for
something, we tend to rely on supernatural explanations," said Professor
Grafman, who believes in God. "Maybe obeying supernatural forces that we had no
knowledge of made it easier for religious forms of belief to emerge."
...it's ok, strife, I wouldn't be upset if you tried to pick on me. But I think if I keep trying here, man, I'll need the fckn helmet :) You're missing the point. SUSTAINED, life long happiness not contingent upon vice or device. That is the whole point. So if a device can mimic a sensation, does it also characterize the origin of sensation? No.
 
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