OldGrowth420
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There is an absolute truth, and it is the testimony of Jesus Christ of Nazareth the Son of the Father of all spirits Adonai, or Jehovah.
How do I get to heaven? Answers to your questions on eternal life.
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Dislexicmidget2021
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Its the assertions made by religious dogma that demands the burden of proof to be upon itself as they are unsustainable,bold statements and commands that are preached in the gospels demand an actual measurable source to be conveyed from,
(-there are only heresays and accounts of such attempts at this)-.This is why it is so prevailent in these discussions as it is very important and at the center of the logical fallacy of the would be touted truth.How can there be any logic in something that cannot be substantiated or demonstrated through reality and actuality?Think about it very carefuly.
(-there are only heresays and accounts of such attempts at this)-.This is why it is so prevailent in these discussions as it is very important and at the center of the logical fallacy of the would be touted truth.How can there be any logic in something that cannot be substantiated or demonstrated through reality and actuality?Think about it very carefuly.
Kite High
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you mean Yahweh correct?
420IAMthatIAM
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amen, amen bits of truth in all religions but yet no religion is the truth.
http://youtu.be/X1sgTKbt124
Heisenberg
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Thanks for stating your qualifications. I notice none of them include thinking or serious study. These things may fool your brain, but they do not fool ours. Your faith means nothing to anyone but you. Why should your faith mean something to me?
I believe so, but the devout feel his name is to pure to say/type.
Kite High
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And are sadly misinformed
OldGrowth420
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I understand all of your inquiries, and i understand your way of thinking and i empathize with you. You are all understood and your opinions are respected. Helsenberg i have an extremely strong conviction to help you, as i see you thirst for knowledge.
I desire to be holy, as i am extremely spiritually sensitive and have a spiritual affliction that causes me to become unclean.
I have lost my wife, and basically everything i have held dear because of my spiritual malady and the way it bothers others..
So naturally i have sought anything and virtually everything to cleanse me and the only thing i have found that helps me is Christianity.
Reading the Holy Bible cleanses my spirit and does wonders for treating my affliction, though it is from God and He chooses not to completely relieve me.
I have been afflicted because of my sin, and i deserve anything that God has for me.
Come what may, i walk for God.
I have noticed, being a traveler.. that places where Christianity is the most prevalent is where people are the kindest and most warm hearted.
I desire to surround myself with loving individuals, and the only individuals that i have found to be able to truly reciprocate love are Christians.
I believe this is because of the Christian teaching that once one accepts Christ and follows His path, they receive The Holy Spirit also known as the Helper.
I can see the holy spirit shining in the whites of devout Christians eyes.
As an empathic person, and being sensitive in all ways, I have found that it is imperitive for me to surround myself with people that will treat me kindly and will reciprocate my love.
People I can trust.
I have found that while generalizing is generally a thought process that i would consider foolish,
Christians, while not all.. But devout Christians are generally very non-judgemental, compassionate, forgiving, kind, patient, and generally just wholesome good hearted people.
I would see them and interact with them, and even believing in their faith myself, i wanted what they had. And i found that the more i adhere to there ideologies, i seemed to beautify from the inside out.
The more i read the Holy Bible and put it's principles and guidelines into practice, the more improvement and divine help and inspiration i have in my life.
Ever aspect of my character has become more Holy and more innocent the more i adhere to God's principles.
I can sing better, when i play guitar these praises from God just come out of me and i have no idea how or why,
As if God is singing through me.
I met a prophet that knew so many things about my life that there is no way he could have known without spiritual inspiration.
I will write some more later but i am going to take a break from the internet for awhile as i have been on here all day.
Here is a video from the prophet i spoke of.
In this video you can hear him speaking in the language of the Holy Spirit, a gift of having God dwelling within us.
I have also gained this ability and can sing and speak in different languages.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6nXTMZY274&list=UU6Y7mT5vfpxd4k3tV5SsyZw&index=1
I desire to be holy, as i am extremely spiritually sensitive and have a spiritual affliction that causes me to become unclean.
I have lost my wife, and basically everything i have held dear because of my spiritual malady and the way it bothers others..
So naturally i have sought anything and virtually everything to cleanse me and the only thing i have found that helps me is Christianity.
Reading the Holy Bible cleanses my spirit and does wonders for treating my affliction, though it is from God and He chooses not to completely relieve me.
I have been afflicted because of my sin, and i deserve anything that God has for me.
Come what may, i walk for God.
I have noticed, being a traveler.. that places where Christianity is the most prevalent is where people are the kindest and most warm hearted.
I desire to surround myself with loving individuals, and the only individuals that i have found to be able to truly reciprocate love are Christians.
I believe this is because of the Christian teaching that once one accepts Christ and follows His path, they receive The Holy Spirit also known as the Helper.
I can see the holy spirit shining in the whites of devout Christians eyes.
As an empathic person, and being sensitive in all ways, I have found that it is imperitive for me to surround myself with people that will treat me kindly and will reciprocate my love.
People I can trust.
I have found that while generalizing is generally a thought process that i would consider foolish,
Christians, while not all.. But devout Christians are generally very non-judgemental, compassionate, forgiving, kind, patient, and generally just wholesome good hearted people.
I would see them and interact with them, and even believing in their faith myself, i wanted what they had. And i found that the more i adhere to there ideologies, i seemed to beautify from the inside out.
The more i read the Holy Bible and put it's principles and guidelines into practice, the more improvement and divine help and inspiration i have in my life.
Ever aspect of my character has become more Holy and more innocent the more i adhere to God's principles.
I can sing better, when i play guitar these praises from God just come out of me and i have no idea how or why,
As if God is singing through me.
I met a prophet that knew so many things about my life that there is no way he could have known without spiritual inspiration.
I will write some more later but i am going to take a break from the internet for awhile as i have been on here all day.
Here is a video from the prophet i spoke of.
In this video you can hear him speaking in the language of the Holy Spirit, a gift of having God dwelling within us.
I have also gained this ability and can sing and speak in different languages.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6nXTMZY274&list=UU6Y7mT5vfpxd4k3tV5SsyZw&index=1
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
One of the best ways to explain light (if not sight) to a blind man would be to rig an instrument that gives auditoyry signals corresponding to illumination. You can use sound to indicate intensity and color ... if not imaging.
I was wondering what objective inorganic third-party method I might use to get away from feelings, anecdotes, the subjective in general. And this ~sigh~ I don't think I can have.
I also offer a warning: our psyches are very very limited in scope and bandwidth ... and can be easily fooled. I do not trust feeling, even experienced feeling, to tell a good (hypothetical and spiritual) ambush predator from a benevolent being. cn
OldGrowth420
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"I also offer a warning: our psyches are very very limited in scope and bandwidth ... and can be easily fooled. I do not trust feeling, even experienced feeling, to tell a good (hypothetical and spiritual) ambush predator from a benevolent being."I support this line of thinking.
But I also think that if you cry out to God and you feel a spiritual being come down and help you, this could be considered evidence.
I pray all of you have your own spiritual experiences very soon.
But I also think that if you cry out to God and you feel a spiritual being come down and help you, this could be considered evidence.
I pray all of you have your own spiritual experiences very soon.
OldGrowth420
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Heisenberg, don't let your mind get in the way of what your heart is telling you.
tyler.durden
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Wow. That video seems to be produced by/for mentally ill people - It is extremely non-sensible and repetitive, the music and voices are out of tune, and the speaking in tongues is muffled in the background. You have to know that these are not real languages, as true languages are for communicating, not just syllables being uttered in any random pattern. No one (maybe other than oneself) could translate what anyone else is saying when uttering this rubbish. The languages you claim to speak, can anyone outside of yourself accurately transcribe what you are communicating? If not, it isn't a language. And you want to help Heis, why not let him help you?
tyler.durden
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Yeah, Heis! Take that brain out and toss it, it obviously isn't doing you any good...
OldGrowth420
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The language is for communicating with God. It is a prayer language. I don't understand why you guys keep saying that my argument is illogical. Listen to the exorcism i posted, or watch the video at the top of the thread about the girl who went to and painted the images of hell. Even if there is a chance that these things are real, which they are.. I would seriously do my best to make sure i didn't end up in a place like hell.
If there is a chance that hell is real, the logical thing to do is to follow the path to heaven through Jesus Christ.
Take a chance of burning in hell thinking your limited sensory experience is enough to define absolute truth vs. following the path of God and righteousness and Holiness through Jesus Christ and going to Heaven
Don't gamble with eternity.
If there is a chance that hell is real, the logical thing to do is to follow the path to heaven through Jesus Christ.
Take a chance of burning in hell thinking your limited sensory experience is enough to define absolute truth vs. following the path of God and righteousness and Holiness through Jesus Christ and going to Heaven
Don't gamble with eternity.
OldGrowth420
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Also there are special Christians with a spiritual gift of translating that language, and Christians have been known to speak in other earthly languages like Aramaic, even though they had no previous knowledge of the language they were speaking.
1 Corinthians 12
[h=3]Concerning Spiritual Gifts[/h]12 Now about the gifts of the Spirit, brothers and sisters, I do not want you to be uninformed. [SUP]2 [/SUP]You know that when you were pagans, somehow or other you were influenced and led astray to mute idols. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. [SUP]5 [/SUP]There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. [SUP]6 [/SUP]There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. [SUP]8 [/SUP]To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, [SUP]9 [/SUP]to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, [SUP]10 [/SUP]to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[SUP][a][/SUP] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.[SUP][b][/SUP] [SUP]11 [/SUP]All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.
1 Corinthians 12
[h=3]Concerning Spiritual Gifts[/h]12 Now about the gifts of the Spirit, brothers and sisters, I do not want you to be uninformed. [SUP]2 [/SUP]You know that when you were pagans, somehow or other you were influenced and led astray to mute idols. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. [SUP]5 [/SUP]There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. [SUP]6 [/SUP]There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. [SUP]8 [/SUP]To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, [SUP]9 [/SUP]to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, [SUP]10 [/SUP]to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[SUP][a][/SUP] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.[SUP][b][/SUP] [SUP]11 [/SUP]All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.
OldGrowth420
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Faith comes by hearing the word of God.
OldGrowth420
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Romans 10 The Word of Faith Brings Salvation
1Brethren, my heart’s desire and my prayer to God for them is for their salvation.2For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.3For not knowing about God’s righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
5For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness.6But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, ‘WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?’ (that is, to bring Christ down),7or ‘WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE ABYSS?’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).”8But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,9that if you confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;10for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.11For the Scripture says, “WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.”12For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him;13for “WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.”
14How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?15How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, “HOW BEAUTIFUL ARE THE FEET OF THOSE WHO BRING GOOD NEWS OF GOOD THINGS!”
16However, they did not all heed the good news; for Isaiah says, “LORD, WHO HAS BELIEVED OUR REPORT?”17So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.
18But I say, surely they have never heard, have they? Indeed they have;
“THEIR VOICE HAS GONE OUT INTO ALL THE EARTH,
AND THEIR WORDS TO THE ENDS OF THE WORLD.”
19But I say, surely Israel did not know, did they? First Moses says,
“I WILL MAKE YOU JEALOUS BY THAT WHICH IS NOT A NATION,
BY A NATION WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING WILL I ANGER YOU.”
20And Isaiah is very bold and says,
“I WAS FOUND BY THOSE WHO DID NOT SEEK ME,
I BECAME MANIFEST TO THOSE WHO DID NOT ASK FOR ME.”
21But as for Israel He says, “ALL THE DAY LONG I HAVE STRETCHED OUT MY HANDS TO A DISOBEDIENT AND OBSTINATE PEOPLE.”
1Brethren, my heart’s desire and my prayer to God for them is for their salvation.2For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.3For not knowing about God’s righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
5For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness.6But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, ‘WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?’ (that is, to bring Christ down),7or ‘WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE ABYSS?’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).”8But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,9that if you confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;10for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.11For the Scripture says, “WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.”12For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him;13for “WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.”
14How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?15How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, “HOW BEAUTIFUL ARE THE FEET OF THOSE WHO BRING GOOD NEWS OF GOOD THINGS!”
16However, they did not all heed the good news; for Isaiah says, “LORD, WHO HAS BELIEVED OUR REPORT?”17So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.
18But I say, surely they have never heard, have they? Indeed they have;
“THEIR VOICE HAS GONE OUT INTO ALL THE EARTH,
AND THEIR WORDS TO THE ENDS OF THE WORLD.”
19But I say, surely Israel did not know, did they? First Moses says,
“I WILL MAKE YOU JEALOUS BY THAT WHICH IS NOT A NATION,
BY A NATION WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING WILL I ANGER YOU.”
20And Isaiah is very bold and says,
“I WAS FOUND BY THOSE WHO DID NOT SEEK ME,
I BECAME MANIFEST TO THOSE WHO DID NOT ASK FOR ME.”
21But as for Israel He says, “ALL THE DAY LONG I HAVE STRETCHED OUT MY HANDS TO A DISOBEDIENT AND OBSTINATE PEOPLE.”
You are not obtaining anything but an escapism.. from what you currently have..
plain and simple..................
Religion is based on FAITH.............
The Bible is edited by Man who makes mistakes.........makes things personal...edits the meaning towards their desires.. I personally feel there is much truth in there.. and just like info being passed on when we tell a truth today.... they added some "flare" to it.
not one single person here can convince another person one way or the other..
internet forums are designed so we all have our say..
some folks like to add their thoughts... never having studied the subject....
drolove
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except no one ever actually hears the word of god lol. if your hearing words in your head you need to seek help. REAL HELP.