Hermaphrodites - what to do with them?

unknown1231

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Don't you just hate when you're half way through flower and you find a couple of exploded herms in the garden?

What do you do with your herms?

- Separate and let them finish up?
- Chop and hang for cooking/hash?
- Whatever else?
 

superstoner1

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kill, immediately. never worth the chance of seeding out a grow, or even future grows. and dont let anybody tell ya "let it grow and go for the seeds." they will be buds full of shitty seeds.
 

thinn

Well-Known Member
Isnt that what tiresias mist does? Makes your plant herm for fem seeds? Just curious....not thread jacking....
 

stumpjumper

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Yes but there's a difference between stressing a stable plant into herming to make feminized seeds. A plant that hermies by itself is genetically prone to herm and it's offspring will be too. But the seeds will also be feminized and you can still get some nice female plants. If it's a good strain I'd save the beans.
 

supchaka

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It's completely situational. Depends how far in flower you are, how early or late you caught it and what else is going on in the grow. If I see a herm early and I'm pretty sure it hasn't splooged yet, I'll take it out for sure.
 

grownbykane

Active Member
i chop herms at first notice, no questions asked. there is no room for plants that even "might" show nanners in my budroom. i dont do fem beans either. i choose not to run fem beans not because i think they are all gonna herm, but because i feel a plant that has come from a real mother and real father is just better even if just in principle and not in performance. Male plants pass on traits just like females plants do so if you grow fem beans you are limiting yourself to half of the genetic pool that nature has created for us.
 

Trousers

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If I had to make a bet, I would say at least 95% of hermaphrodites are caused by environment.

If your plant "hermed" due to environmental conditions (which is the most likely scenario) then you have a plant that does not have a Y chromosome that will produce pollen. The resulting seeds will be Fem and just as likely to show male flowers as the Mom.

That means if you grow the resulting fem seeds the same way as the mother, they will most likely show male flowers. That is the grower's fault, not the plant's.

You mentioned that half way through the grow you noticed male flowers. That is a female that has been stressed enough to show male flowers. If it were an actual hermaphrodite (having both an X and Y chromosome) it would have shown male flowers from the beginning.

-You can leave it and allow it to skeet all over the other plants. You will get fem seeds. Don't listen to the people that say you will get herm seeds, they do not know what they are talking about.

-You can reverse the plant with a spray. I have no experience with that product.

-You can pick the male flowers off each day. You will still get some seeds.

i chop herms at first notice, no questions asked. there is no room for plants that even "might" show nanners in my budroom. i dont do fem beans either. i choose not to run fem beans not because i think they are all gonna herm, but because i feel a plant that has come from a real mother and real father is just better even if just in principle and not in performance. Male plants pass on traits just like females plants do so if you grow fem beans you are limiting yourself to half of the genetic pool that nature has created for us.

Fem seeds are basically really close copies of the mom which was produced with a male. It is similar to cloning.
There is no way you could tell the difference between a properly grown fem plant and a properly grown regular female plant from the same mom.


Yes but there's a difference between stressing a stable plant into herming to make feminized seeds. A plant that hermies by itself is genetically prone to herm and it's offspring will be too. But the seeds will also be feminized and you can still get some nice female plants. If it's a good strain I'd save the beans.
Stress is stress. Again, most "hermies" are the result of environmental stress. The tendency to stress under the same (bad) conditions will be passed on. That is the grower's fault, not the plant's.

If you use Tiresias Mist, you are stressing the plant. If you have light leaks, bad temps, bad nute ratios, too much nutes, too little nutes... you are stressing the plant.


What do I do with my "herms?" I do not do anything with them as I never see them, unless I make them.
 

ASMALLVOICE

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Whew,

I wouldn't make a pimple on a real growers ass, but I read and read and for all thats good in the world, read, on everything I possibly can about this awesome plant.

The methods that are disclosed on the "breeder programs" are full of crossing, mixing, back breeding in every combination (the insanity is real) and F1 and F2 hybrids, searching for that ever elusive "perfect" trait combination that is as individual as the growers mind can create, some good, some bad. From hair colors, size, resiliance and on to more refined traits as regional growing specailizations (absolutely insane reading), these folks are ever vigilant in creating the new "Final Frontier" in Cannabis genetics and I for one think it ROCKS!!!

I have learned this, I don't know shit, but have a solid starting point I do!

Peace

Asmallvoice
 

unknown1231

Well-Known Member
If I had to make a bet, I would say at least 95% of hermaphrodites are caused by environment.

If your plant "hermed" due to environmental conditions (which is the most likely scenario) then you have a plant that does not have a Y chromosome that will produce pollen. The resulting seeds will be Fem and just as likely to show male flowers as the Mom.

That means if you grow the resulting fem seeds the same way as the mother, they will most likely show male flowers. That is the grower's fault, not the plant's.

You mentioned that half way through the grow you noticed male flowers. That is a female that has been stressed enough to show male flowers. If it were an actual hermaphrodite (having both an X and Y chromosome) it would have shown male flowers from the beginning.

-You can leave it and allow it to skeet all over the other plants. You will get fem seeds. Don't listen to the people that say you will get herm seeds, they do not know what they are talking about.

-You can reverse the plant with a spray. I have no experience with that product.

-You can pick the male flowers off each day. You will still get some seeds.




Fem seeds are basically really close copies of the mom which was produced with a male. It is similar to cloning.
There is no way you could tell the difference between a properly grown fem plant and a properly grown regular female plant from the same mom.




Stress is stress. Again, most "hermies" are the result of environmental stress. The tendency to stress under the same (bad) conditions will be passed on. That is the grower's fault, not the plant's.

If you use Tiresias Mist, you are stressing the plant. If you have light leaks, bad temps, bad nute ratios, too much nutes, too little nutes... you are stressing the plant.


What do I do with my "herms?" I do not do anything with them as I never see them, unless I make them.


Excellent. And you're 100% correct on your herm science, I read into it quite a bit yesterday. I should've seen both male and female parts from the get go on a true herm... which means all of my herms have been induced environmentally... probably due to my PH getting all out of wack and really hitting the girls hard :/ live & learn.

Thanks for the advice!
 

desertdog

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A lot of people get scared and toss em. I have used them to produce a very strong and stable female cross of Blue hemalaya and Bubbal kush. The hermie is a genetic fuckup, but I used mine to pollinate my bubba kush and all seeds from the bubba k were all fem and no hermie. The hermie kept producing hermie, which I also saved to save space. I grew it again and used to fem an MK Ultra and both strains are very good. I have to do a lot of cleaning when grow is done, but I enjoy the journey so it makes no difference to me. When I crossed the blu H to the MK and then back to bubba k blue H things got strange and trippy, and I love it. I will never toss a hermie just because I like freak shows LOL. Also hermies produce srong females with strong THC, at least that has been my experience. I save the seed and clone em they don't scare me anymore I love those freaky hoes LOL. I am getting ready to hermie a UBC Chemo and let it hump my pineapple kush, and some of my old crosses. I put the hermie into flower the same time as the others and I get stable girls. My first hermie was a mistake I flowered my blue himalaya x Mk ultra to soon and they all, but one hermied. I cloned em and used em later. My next hermie will be forced using collidaial silver a very easy technique that has good results. Breeding for fems cuts breeding times down and gets me what I want sooner, and fems are very fast and strong. Don't fear the hermie!! let it hump
 

smellzlikeskunkyum

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Yes but there's a difference between stressing a stable plant into herming to make feminized seeds. A plant that hermies by itself is genetically prone to herm and it's offspring will be too. But the seeds will also be feminized and you can still get some nice female plants. If it's a good strain I'd save the beans.
I completely agree with this statement. some of the worlds greatest strains exist because of hermies, most likely chemdawg was from a group of plants that were pollenated by a hermie.
when flowering: if the plant has hardly any male bananas at all then its worth maybe to keep trying and just pluck them off. if it has alot, or gets them from an early age its most likely a lost cause.

I have a valuable grape ape clone ive been passing around. its very pruple, and very awesome! it was out of a 3.5 grams bag of "grape ape" that had four seeds in it. i grew two of them out and they both were female. one was the purple one and the other was a very indica green phenotype. both were VERY worth growing. the green one produced seeds once from being pollenated by a nirvana blackberry growing next to it that had just a couple bananas that went unnoticed. I have two seedlings from those seeds and they are VERY impressive so far. out stinking all of my other "big name" strains like pre98 bubba and blue widow.

Its certainly worth it to keep those selective seeds from those good batches of weed.
you just have to be cautious and get rid of the bad ones as soon as see them going bad. they should always be female, if they arent then its a hermie most likely. ive grown a ton of bagseeds and nearly all of them have been female. its because they were most likely from a hermie.

Btw none of my grape ape's have been hermie prone at all.
 

bob jameson

Active Member
I put my herms in a different area with natural light to grow out. I know I'll get seedy weed, but hey, it's free weed since the alternative is to just toss them. I'm sure the herms I currently have will be at least as good as the brick weed they came from, so why not?
 
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