Heres my list of Ten things you should quit, Before considering marijuana a problem.

poplars

poplars

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tinyTURTLE said:
idiot. hitler didn't put fluoride in our water supply, we did.
the thick air that comes from burning propane is CO2.

as far as things that harm the environment: fuckin hurry it up and kill the humans. use more of that shit.
humans are bad, even the ones who don't think they are.
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we have the most potential...

in buddhism humanity is the only level of existence that you can affect your karma on.... that means we can either be good or we can be bad.

good humans are shepherds of the earth.

bad humans are parasites...

you choose your side as an individual, you are only responsible for your own actions in the end.
 
tinyTURTLE

tinyTURTLE

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poplars said:
we have the most potential...

in buddhism humanity is the only level of existence that you can affect your karma on.... that means we can either be good or we can be bad.

good humans are shepherds of the earth.

bad humans are parasites...

you choose your side as an individual, you are only responsible for your own actions in the end.
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yes, as individuals. but as a whole? let's just say that if you see an ape washing his hands, don't assume he won't be throwing poo at you a few moments later.
 
Charlie Who?

Charlie Who?

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guy incognito said:
Us, the earth, humanity, life in general are not:

snowballs rolling down hill, dominos lined up, or a flushing toilet. So I don't understand how your analogy is applicable.

How many humans can the earth feed and sustain? And how did you calculate that number? I assume you did calculate it, otherwise the claim that 1/3 to 1/2 of the population needs to be eliminated would be completely arbitrary. I also wonder specifically what your basis is that 20 years from now the quality of life will be seriously diminished. In what capacity exactly? And how did you arrive at that figure?

I love your logic that leads you to believe the cycle is drawing to a close. You have stated no valid reasons for such a belief, though it is easy to see you are a certifiable lunatic.
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No. I graduated from Nut School, but the bastards wouldnt give me my certificate.

CW
 
Charlie Who?

Charlie Who?

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poplars said:
we have the most potential...

in buddhism humanity is the only level of existence that you can affect your karma on.... that means we can either be good or we can be bad.

good humans are shepherds of the earth.

bad humans are parasites...

you choose your side as an individual, you are only responsible for your own actions in the end.
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Very well said, my friend.
My sadness is that there are too few Shepherds and too many parasites.

Humans are the Top of the Food Chain, I'll give ya that. The problem with people is, they tend to not have reverence for the OTHER living beings we're supposed to SHARE the planet with. Humans need more room? Well then, fuck you Coyotes, bears, wolves....and any other creature who needs wooded land to survive. Y'all gotta die, because hey! We HUMANS need your space."

Yes, humans, of all animals have Free Choice. And just look what we've done with it.

We COULD have adopted the Native American way when we came here and took THEIR land. The Indians respected the Mother, the animals, the water and the land. They took little, replaced what they did take and knew they didnt "own" the land---it owned them.

So does Mother earth OWN us--not the other way around.

We're likte the shitty Renters every landlord hates---we move in and immediately start trashing the place. "Lookit them stupid Injuns! They walk in and shoot ONE buffalo with an arrow! Fuck that....let's ride in on horses and shoot em ALL!" Hundreds of thousands of dead buffalo littered the plains--a lifetime of food wiped out for sport.

Maybe the Free Will thing was our big mistake. No other animal takes more than it needs.

We alone are the Wasters and we waste every gift we've been given.

Yes, we do have "potential" We could evolve into a state of consciousness the Native Americans and Australian Aborigines alread had attained for centuries before they saw their first white man. We could suddenly GET IT that this is the only planet we've got and gee, maybe it's not a bad idea to take care of it.

But I dont see it happenning.

We have plenty of intelligence, but not enough Wisdom. We have plenty of science to explain life but not nearly enough reverence FOR Life.

Big on arrogance and short on humility. Big on ME and MINE and not too keen on Us and Ours. Still, we do have that potential to wake up. That may be the saddest part. That we could....but probably wont.

CW
 
unohu69

unohu69

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I often look a humanity's accomplishments. Not much of it has really done us any good. We as a overall society arent any better off then we were 2000 years ago.

While we have achieved some nice medical advancements, the biggest medical discovery we have had is... Germs. Things have pretty much remained the same as far as how people interact with each other.

Even as a small forum on the internet we all behave as the human species as a whole, There will always be disagreements, and one party will always be a dick and need to take things too far. Incorporating violence as the solution.

Its just to bad most cant recognize the fact that as long as they are not being physicall harmed in some way, or deprivd of their property, they have no say in what I am doing. In the cases the individual is standing up for himself, he gets to be terrorized by thugs.

Didnt mean to run off, but its harvest time,you know what that means... fried all the time..... Really love this forum to. almost like I just walked into my favorite smoke club and just shootin the shit with a bunch of fellow stoners...
 
Charlie Who?

Charlie Who?

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tinyTURTLE said:
yes, as individuals. but as a whole? let's just say that if you see an ape washing his hands, don't assume he won't be throwing poo at you a few moments later.
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That's the tricky part. That the "whole" IS each individual. That's why he said ya gotta pick a side. There is no room for fence sitters. Every individual is either part of the Cure or part of the Problem. Some people are For the Earth and some say, "Fuck the damn Earth." However, the vast majority lie between---the Fence Sitters, who say, "gee I guess I COULD organise a carpool and to buy products not packaged in plastic....and I guess I COULD give up meat two or three dinners a week...I could prolly even ride my bike more and drive the car less... maybe get one a them water filters and re-fill my own bottles..., maybe even put cloth diapers on the baby's ass.....but what the fuck, nobody else seems to worry about it, so I guess I wont, either. Besides, what good does one person trying to do better accomplish? Just a lot of inconvenience for myself, that's all."

Not enough individuals think his or her personal changes make enough difference. Add all those individuals together and well, this is what you get. Millions of essentially "good" people doing nothing.

That's what he meant--you can only be held responsible for your own actions and choices. Fortunately, JUST changing your own ways is enough. One at a time.

For instance, if a whole lot of individuals started buying detergent and milk in cardboard cartons, how long would it be before they stopped putting them in plastic ones? If there was atax on bottled water (to pay for the eventual cleanup) how long would it take for most folks to buy the damn water filter?

Im not anti-plastic. It's fine for making computers and medical equipment and so on. Im opposed to the false idea of "disposable" plastic. it aint disposable---the Coke you spent five minutes drinking today, then tossed the cup---that cup will still be here, somewhere, long after you die. Throwing it "away" doesnt make it go away because there is no "away".

Shit, archaeologists a thousand years from now will probably call our era The Plastic Age. The Egyptians left us the pyramids to ponder. We're leaving landfills of Pampers, McDonald cups and water bottles.

What a Gift for future generations.

Anybody remember the old fashioned paper Dixie cups? Made of paper and dipped in wax? You may have never seen one.

That's because they bio-degrade. So, all those old fashioned Dixie Cups are gone now.

But the plastic ones....aint goin nowhere.

CW
 
tinyTURTLE

tinyTURTLE

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Charlie Who? said:
That's the tricky part. That the "whole" IS each individual. That's why he said ya gotta pick a side. There is no room for fence sitters. Every individual is either part of the Cure or part of the Problem. Some people are For the Earth and some say, "Fuck the damn Earth." However, the vast majority lie between---the Fence Sitters, who say, "gee I guess I COULD organise a carpool and to buy products not packaged in plastic....and I guess I COULD give up meat two or three dinners a week...I could prolly even ride my bike more and drive the car less... maybe get one a them water filters and re-fill my own bottles..., maybe even put cloth diapers on the baby's ass.....but what the fuck, nobody else seems to worry about it, so I guess I wont, either. Besides, what good does one person trying to do better accomplish? Just a lot of inconvenience for myself, that's all."

Not enough individuals think his or her personal changes make enough difference. Add all those individuals together and well, this is what you get. Millions of essentially "good" people doing nothing.

That's what he meant--you can only be held responsible for your own actions and choices. Fortunately, JUST changing your own ways is enough. One at a time.

For instance, if a whole lot of individuals started buying detergent and milk in cardboard cartons, how long would it be before they stopped putting them in plastic ones? If there was atax on bottled water (to pay for the eventual cleanup) how long would it take for most folks to buy the damn water filter?

Im not anti-plastic. It's fine for making computers and medical equipment and so on. Im opposed to the false idea of "disposable" plastic. it aint disposable---the Coke you spent five minutes drinking today, then tossed the cup---that cup will still be here, somewhere, long after you die. Throwing it "away" doesnt make it go away because there is no "away".

Shit, archaeologists a thousand years from now will probably call our era The Plastic Age. The Egyptians left us the pyramids to ponder. We're leaving landfills of Pampers, McDonald cups and water bottles.

What a Gift for future generations.

Anybody remember the old fashioned paper Dixie cups? Made of paper and dipped in wax? You may have never seen one.

That's because they bio-degrade. So, all those old fashioned Dixie Cups are gone now.

But the plastic ones....aint goin nowhere.

CW
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plastic goes away, it just happens on a time scale that exceeds our wishes and desires.
doesn't matter anyway. the human race is DOOMED.
 
guy incognito

guy incognito

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poplars said:
I love your logic, you act just like the corporate pawns that got us into this mess in the first place.

you guys like 'empirical' evidence, and when there is none, then it CAN"T be happening. no big picture, no intuitive view, just FACTS MAM.

I can't believe you can't see it, you can't look at the earth in numbers of people it can sustain, this is a much bigger than that.

I mean take into account how we are ECOLOGICALLY effecting the planet here, we have disrupted nearly every natural cycle ecologically we can, I'm sure there's a few left that's keeping us from dieing where we stand, but like the person you quoted said, we are in a downslide right now.


but hey you can try to convince me that all these dam's we've put up are good, all this pollution we produce is good, all these miles upon miles upon miles of land we've covered up with CONCRETE.

I mean we're all growers here, I thought we of all people could agree that the soil is alive and the planet is alive too.

here's a song for you buddy

[video=youtube;n9bcA7frGL0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9bcA7frGL0[/video]
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What are you basing your views and opinions on then? If I read this right you are scoffing at the fact that I want some kind of valid reason to support my beliefs and subsequent actions.
 
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