Here it comes - gun control!!!

And you have no control over what I say
I come from where mj is legal in personal amounts
Guns are in control of the military,
I know this is a big part of American life and the economy
Don't you have children ?
The news readers on tv in the UK were in tears as parents gave harrowing amounts of their loss,
Do you have any compassion at all ?
No one is coming to get you , lay down your guns
Put your chest away
Your children are your future.
Your constitution is about as relevant as the bible,
Wake up.

Clonex said:

And you have no control over what I say
I come from where mj is legal in personal amounts
Guns are in control of the military,
I know this is a big part of American life and the economy
Don't you have children ?
The news readers on tv in the UK were in tears as parents gave harrowing amounts of their loss,
Do you have any compassion at all ?
No one is coming to get you , lay down your guns
Put your chest away
Your children are your future.
Your constitution is about as relevant as the bible,
Wake up.

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Why do i care if newsreaders in britain are in tears? they cry when manchester loses to arsenal.
Without a constitutional foundation, and without the arms to if need be, enforce that constitutional foundation you are RULED.
If those in command of the arms decide youre gonna be a socialist monarchy like North Korea, you have no real say in the matter.
If your masters decide to surrender to the Germans (again) you have no way to resist anything the Germans decide to do to you.

Our nation was founded on the principle that no man rules another, and only by our consent are we governed.
If and when our leaders fail to uphold our principles we have the power to hold them to account.
The actions of a few frootloops does not negate our nation's principles, nor warrant our descent into the morass of submission.

your "Think Of The Children" plea is as useless as your logic, i was taught to shoot, from fast draw with a single six, to long range scoped targeting, to close in shotgun blastin by my grandfather and my uncles. as were my cousins and brothers.
you live not only in a different nation but in a different world, a world where mommy will always be there, and "Screaming for help" and "Crying on your knees" are the ideal of manliness.
Theres no strength in europe any more. it's a continent in decline, populated by milksops and pansies.

a smart person would wonder if maybe all the "free healthcare" and welfare didnt actually cost something after all.

Gun control isn't the answer - training citizens and requiring a license to own various types of weapons however, should be mandatory. Laws regarding the storage of firearms also need to be addressed.

Changing the perception that everyone in America needs a gun to be safe is another step in the right direction. If the perceived need of guns were lowered, so would the demand.

Dr Kynes said:

Why do i care if newsreaders in britain are in tears? they cry when manchester loses to arsenal.
Without a constitutional foundation, and without the arms to if need be, enforce that constitutional foundation you are RULED.
If those in command of the arms decide youre gonna be a socialist monarchy like North Korea, you have no real say in the matter.
If your masters decide to surrender to the Germans (again) you have no way to resist anything the Germans decide to do to you.

Our nation was founded on the principle that no man rules another, and only by our consent are we governed.
If and when our leaders fail to uphold our principles we have the power to hold them to account.
The actions of a few frootloops does not negate our nation's principles, nor warrant our descent into the morass of submission.

your "Think Of The Children" plea is as useless as your logic, i was taught to shoot, from fast draw with a single six, to long range scoped targeting, to close in shotgun blastin by my grandfather and my uncles. as were my cousins and brothers.
you live not only in a different nation but in a different world, a world where mommy will always be there, and "Screaming for help" and "Crying on your knees" are the ideal of manliness.
Theres no strength in europe any more. it's a continent in decline, populated by milksops and pansies.

a smart person would wonder if maybe all the "free healthcare" and welfare didnt actually cost something after all.

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Pansies lol
In just working here but I am European ,
Your calling us pansies but you need the arsenal of weapons
I don't wish to upset you but you only see it from the point of view that suits you
I realise things are different in the state's but your still human and the bullets still kill
Your constitution is flawed and ancient
Have you not heard of reform or modernisation ?
What do you suggest , no change at all ?
Personally I have no wish for you to lose your right to bear arms
But I do think some kind of filtration system should be in place so that maybe you have to prove you worthy or safe to own guns and not just a form filled out and a fee paid.
Can't you play paintball or cowboys and Indians ?

Clonex said:

Pansies lol
In just working here but I am European ,
Your calling us pansies but you need the arsenal of weapons
I don't wish to upset you but you only see it from the point of view that suits you
I realise things are different in the state's but your still human and the bullets still kill
Your constitution is flawed and ancient
Have you not heard of reform or modernisation ?
What do you suggest , no change at all ?
Personally I have no wish for you to lose your right to bear arms
But I do think some kind of filtration system should be in place so that maybe you have to prove you worthy or safe to own guns and not just a form filled out and a fee paid.
Can't you play paintball or cowboys and Indians ?

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Pansies lol
In just working here but I am European ,
Your calling us pansies but you need the arsenal of weapons'
First of all you most Americans don't have arsenals, unless you're classifying 3 guns as an arsenal. It a right we all share I have yet to see a hobbyist, collector or professional marksman go on a rampage.
I don't wish to upset you but you only see it from the point of view that suits you
I don't wish to upset you but so are you, can a criminal gain access to a firearm in your country?
I realise things are different in the state's but your still human and the bullets still kill
So does the government, militia, and law enforcement the three things that our founders knew they had to keep in check with the second amendment.
Your constitution is flawed and ancient
In case you failed history, our constitution is the foundation which everything else is structured it cannot be edited at will, it takes a majority of the people to do so. Do you understand that freedom stuff the founders talked about? Our entire system is based off government mistrust and abuse. With all the stop gaps the founders put into place our government still finds ways to corrupt the system the whole fucking reason we're on a forum about underground cannabis production well most of us are underground anyways.
Have you not heard of reform or modernisation ?
Modernization??? You mean taking the power from people? Removing the check and balance system against tyranny is not modernization.
What do you suggest , no change at all ?
Yeah until the majority of the people get behind it, that's the rules.
Personally I have no wish for you to lose your right to bear arms
But I do think some kind of filtration system should be in place so that maybe you have to prove you worthy or safe to own guns and not just a form filled out and a fee paid.
I agree but this is the liberal flaw, striving to grant everyone equal status and at the same time trying to find ways to remove it. I don't have a good answer here, we could say commonsense but to say government is flawed in that category would be an understatement if they could use it reasonably than people would get behind it but from history we know they cannot and we dare not give them free reign.
Can't you play paintball or cowboys and Indians ?
Real cute

Clonex,

You do know zip guns are fairly easy to make? Unlike real guns they're very dangerous and almost untraceable. They're used fairly often in European countries. All you do by banning guns is make it so criminals have the upper hand. Criminals are cowardly shits. If they suspect people could have a concealed gun, they think twice. Criminals want an easy target. If everyone but criminals are gunless, we all become an easy target.

Had that school had non-teacher personel with guns, the shooter would have killed far less. Why don't you think of the children?

Beefbisquit said:

Gun control isn't the answer - training citizens and requiring a license to own various types of weapons however, should be mandatory. Laws regarding the storage of firearms also need to be addressed.

Changing the perception that everyone in America needs a gun to be safe is another step in the right direction. If the perceived need of guns were lowered, so would the demand.

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a right which must be licensed and justified iis not a right, it's a privilege.

when you must get a license to own a firearm, or a knife, why not a license to vote? or a license to express your opinion?

it has long been established that the previous attempts to circumvent the constitutional rights of the people are invalid, like:

the crippling tax on printer's ink for those who were not given a license to print UNCONSTITUTIONAL!
previous attempts to require licenses to print newspapers and broadsheets UNCONSTITUTIONAL!
attempts to circumvent the second amendment by claiming negroes couldnt be trusted with arms UNCONSTITUTIONAL!

I dont think i have to go on. every attempt to restrict any constitutionally protected right is invalid and UNCONSTITUTIONAL thus, the 1968 omnibus crime bill is a violation of the constitution, regardless of what a few shills and dimwits on the court may claim.
congress's power to "regulate" commerce between the states does not supersede rights reserved to the people, nor does their blanket claim that "all things are commerce" prove anything but their hubris.

if you are willing to sacrifice this right on the altar of "safety" what else are you willing to give up?
maybe voting is just too risky. perhaps we should select a single family to rule over us as monarchs?
perhaps the uncomfortable facts occasionally brought out by the press is too distressing? should we not eliminate this source of unrest for the good of the nation?
maybe you think that criminal defendants are treated too mildly in the courts? perhaps some indefinate detentions without charges would help? ohhh wait... obama just approved that.
perhaps the people are up to sedition and traitorous thought crimes? maybe we should monitor their communications? ohh wait obama already approved that too.
perhaps torture would be a good way to get the facts from a suspect... ohh wait. obama already approved that too.
perhaps we need aerial drones to spy on us... ohh wait obama already approved that too
perhaps those drones should be armed, just in case they spot a wanted fugitive in their spying... ohh wait obama already does that, just only in foreign lands. for now
perhaps we are concerned that some tiny sect of the 7th day adventists are just a little too scary for our comfort. perhaps we should send out the ATF's goon squad?
perhaps some college student is growing a little dope in his closet... sure he's not a PRIORITY, but some nefarious drug kingpin has sold a nickelbag outside the student commissary! bring in the dogs!

the slippery slope is not just a rhetorical fallacy, its sometimes a simple fact. we have already surrendered too much, time to draw the line.

Ok, guys
The guy who wrote it red. Wow. You gave me a headache

Just to repeat, I am here earning money I am not British.
All European countries are not governed by the same laws
For example
Switzerland has no military, but every household has weapons
This is a kind of private militia
Gun crime is surprisingly very low.
I am not saying that guns in the hands of the public is always bad.
But, you have a very bad record in America of ppl getting a hold of a weapon, normally somebody else's and shooting innocent ppl
Does something not need to be done to prevent this or are you happy with this ?
What if one of those children were your own ?
In my home country we don't keep guns at home, they are at the club your are registered to under lock and key,
You keep saying my rights have been taken away because I can't have a gun at home, let me tell you I'm not feeling to hard done by and why would I
I know, lets not have a constructive debate, let innocent ppl die, that could be prevented
All I'm seeing is silly block headed patriotism and not actually anything that would help
Unless like I said , it's acceptable.
Please, insults really are pointless
I'm to stupid to be offended. =)

Canna Sylvan said:

Clonex,

You do know zip guns are fairly easy to make? Unlike real guns they're very dangerous and almost untraceable. They're used fairly often in European countries. All you do by banning guns is make it so criminals have the upper hand. Criminals are cowardly shits. If they suspect people could have a concealed gun, they think twice. Criminals want an easy target. If everyone but criminals are gunless, we all become an easy target.

Had that school had non-teacher personel with guns, the shooter would have killed far less. Why don't you think of the children?

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Armed security guards watching over the kids at school
Armed teachers
Our law enforcement are not even armed.
Just special units
Things are so different here
It just makes me realise how different
I could not consider you ideals
I don't wish to offend at all, it's just hard to get it.

Clonex said:

Ok, guys
The guy who wrote it red. Wow. You gave me a headache

Just to repeat, I am here earning money I am not British.
All European countries are not governed by the same laws
For example
Switzerland has no military, but every household has weapons
This is a kind of private militia
Gun crime is surprisingly very low.
I am not saying that guns in the hands of the public is always bad.
But, you have a very bad record in America of ppl getting a hold of a weapon, normally somebody else's and shooting innocent ppl
Does something not need to be done to prevent this or are you happy with this ?
What if one of those children were your own ?
In my home country we don't keep guns at home, they are at the club your are registered to under lock and key,
You keep saying my rights have been taken away because I can't have a gun at home, let me tell you I'm not feeling to hard done by and why would I
I know, lets not have a constructive debate, let innocent ppl die, that could be prevented
All I'm seeing is silly block headed patriotism and not actually anything that would help
Unless like I said , it's acceptable.
Please, insults really are pointless
I'm to stupid to be offered. =)

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Each person has to decide what is acceptable and how to deal with it. Myself, i find these senseless shootings unacceptable. Therefore, i like to have the means to end said conflict quickly and efficiently.

i'll keep my guns thankyouverymuch.

But if there were less guns around
There would be less conflicts to quickly end

Keep your guns.

I will...like I said they can have them when I die

Clonex said:

Pansies lol

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yes, pansies.

Clonex said:

In just working here but I am European

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that sentence makes no sense, but yes, europeans are now silly effete pansies.

Clonex said:

Your calling us pansies but you need the arsenal of weapons

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i dont need an arsenal, but i got one. because i have that right. you europeans surrendered that right to tyrants long ago. tough shit.

Clonex said:

I don't wish to upset you but you only see it from the point of view that suits you

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you cannot upset me, pansies are harmless. i see it from my perspective, you see it from yours. your perspective is not superior to mine, but MY perspective is the law of the land here in america. so my perspective wins

Clonex said:

I realise things are different in the state's but your still human and the bullets still kill

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bullets kill, but so does falling off a bridge, getting hit by a train, being struck by lightning, getting kicked by a horse, getting trampled by a bull, eating shellfish in a month without a Y, and putting a plastic bag over your head.

Clonex said:

Your constitution is flawed and ancient

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my constitution is not flawed, and it's only a little over 200, hardly ancient. conversely the practice europeans so adore, being subjugated by tyrants and bowing to kings, is very old and quite played out. constitutional republics are the new hotness.

Clonex said:

Have you not heard of reform or modernisation ?

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america IS reform, and we ARE modernization, europe is the shithole stuck in a timewarp.

Clonex said:

What do you suggest , no change at all ?

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i suggest you look to your own shit, and when you clowns figure out how to make your utopia, show us and maybe we will join in. ill wait for your utopian dream's PROOF before dropping my guns in a smelter

Clonex said:

Personally I have no wish for you to lose your right to bear arms

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you say you have no wish for me to lose my rights? you just insist i must sacrifice my rights for the good of everyone else. thats pansy talk. eat a dick

Clonex said:

But I do think some kind of filtration system should be in place so that maybe you have to prove you worthy or safe to own guns and not just a form filled out and a fee paid.

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i dont have to prove my worthiness to own guns, that worthiness is assumed. if i have to justify my right to a thing, it''s not a right, it's a privilege, and privileges can be withdrawn

Clonex said:

Can't you play paintball or cowboys and Indians ?

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i do that too. i dont have to surrender my arms to enjoy paintball, but hers a shocker for you, my local city council considers paintball guns WEAPONS and their use is prohibited even on private property. sure theres no law or ordinance, but the cops WILL arrest you, they WILL book you, they WILL take your paintball gun, and they will NOT give it back when you are released unless you hire a lawyer and sue them. of course thats gonna cost 15x more than the paintball gun costs at least

america doesnt need europe's approval to keep our constitution, in fact we established it WITHOUT your approval.
if we decide to let our people keep spitting cobras and beadly black scorpions, thats OUR business.

A democracy which makes or even effectively prepares for modern, scientific war must necessarily cease to be democratic. No country can be really well prepared for modern war unless it is governed by a tyrant, at the head of a highly trained and perfectly obedient bureaucracy.
Aldous Huxley

Clonex said:

But if there were less guns around
There would be less conflicts to quickly end

Keep your guns.

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conflicts were not invented by samuel colt. conflicts have existed for a long time. i thought europeans were all so worldly and educated. no history books in your library? people been making wars and killing people since the thrid caveman rose up out of the swamp, and the first two decided to hit him on the head with a rock.

I dont need your permission to keep my guns, YOU CANNOT TAKE THEM FROM ME.
I will however, allow you to keep your shitty little country. Im just that magnanimous.

Dr.
You don't seem to get anything
I don't need a gun because I would personally not need one to kick your thick skull in
You stupid dick
Ps
English is my second language if you can't understand it , don't read it you moron
Go play soldiers you annoying fuck.

Clonex said:

But if there were less guns around
There would be less conflicts to quickly end

Keep your guns.

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Then the odds i would have to utilize my loaded weapon are even lower than they already are. That's a good thing. Don't necessarily agree that there would be a dramatic decrease in violent crime, but....

Either way, i prefer to keep myself ready to deal with whatever situation may arise. You got no worries about me being reckless or snapping. Why not just enjoy the peace of mind knowing there are others out there of a similar mindset and with a similar skill set?

And moron
You still don't know which country I'm from so your idiotic comments are pointless.

Clonex said:

Dr.
You don't seem to get anything
I don't need a gun because I would personally not need one to kick your thick skull in
You stupid dick
Ps
English is my second language if you can't understand it , don't read it you moron
Go play soldiers you annoying fuck.

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An ass kicking, if done to extreme, warrants a deadly response.

i've got a guy that has been instructing martial arts for more than a decade spouting off about how he could and would kick both me and a friends ass at once. i disagree because the moment he assumes a fighting stance, he has pulled a deadly weapon on me and i WILL respond in kind.

budlover13 said:

Then the odds i would have to utilize my loaded weapon are even lower than they already are. That's a good thing. Don't necessarily agree that there would be a dramatic decrease in violent crime, but....

Either way, i prefer to keep myself ready to deal with whatever situation may arise. You got no worries about me being reckless or snapping. Why not just enjoy the peace of mind knowing there are others out there of a similar mindset and with a similar skill set?

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I guess so
I just think some filtration would be good. People with stable lives would not have their rights affected