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growingforfun said:

The problem with your logic bezalom is you think people who arnt flushing are using a lot of nutes right to the end and thats not really the case. If your using the nutes properly then from the start of flower until week 6 your increasing the ppm, and then decreasing the nutes until at the end there isnt a lot in your nutrient solution anyways. For example in week 6 i may do water feed feed water feed feed water, full str nutes each feeding, while in week 7 i may do feed water feed water feed at full, and in week 8 i may do feed water feed water at 1/2 str, and at the end i may do feed water water feed water chop. But its a little diff each time baced on what i feel the plant needs and how it responds.

The argument saying flushing doesnt work say that you cant be blasting loads of nutes and addatives 3 days before chop and expect to flush out that out in those last few days just by dumping a ton of water through the dirt. And thats true. The plant meeds time to fully use what its taken in, or else youll be burning a lot of junk.

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my logic in most cases is correct

they get this stuff, "no flush", from Foxfarm and the like

it is a true art to finish like you said with just the right amount of nutrients and I was very good at it years ago when I grew the same strain..grow after grow

flushing/leaching still best way to reset ph

flushing/leaching also good to rid soil of any nutrients when for example 3 weeks from finish to ensure less nitrogen (nitrates taste like crap)

also, when using tap water/hard water/spring water deposits build up and restrict uptake from roots...maybe not so much on a 6-8 week strain but go 12-14 weeks without a flush and you gonna have problems (been there)

as far as your years here...good for you

I was a long time member of Overgrow back in the day....who cares!

I dont think you really get it still... you dont know where we get the no flush from because you are new to the forums and have no actual idea what people mean, as youve shown in the way you respond to people. You may not even really be reffering to a flush in the same way as people on the forum do! Btw, here a flush is pouring 3x the volume of soil through it. So if a 20 gallon container that would he 60 gallons of water. That was what was preached for YEARS. People dont do that anymore. Its not a good way to remove nutes. A taper off in feeding is a good way to remove nutes an produce a good smoke.
You also mention leaching the soil, im not exactly sure what you mean by that, but a lot of people here are going to think you mean a leaching product. An those dont help much so they are looked down on.

But theres nothing wrong with watering with pure water till runoff, then watering with your nute mix, to leach off some of the buildup salts an replace them with fresh mix.

Also... its litterally impossible to flush a organic grow. The more water you add to your organics, the hotter it becomes.

Can you post facts about how you remove nutrients from plant with water, or does name calling spreading bullshit forum folklore suit you better?

bezalom said:

why are you telling me about soil buffers (think you meant dolomite lime) but don't need your misplaced info (I'm way ahead of you)[/QUOT
Because you claim to change soils ph with water.

bezalom said:

flushing also a great way to reset ph (you likely used it yourself like that)

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bezalom said:

flushing/leaching still best way to reset ph

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If water sets ph in soil why would you need lime, genius? And I meant limestone

bezalom said:

Why would one really care that much if one flushes or doesn't?

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bezalom said:

what a bunch of, "no flush idiot", growers I have ever seen...LMAO

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bezalom said:

you idiots post about not flushing I'll be there spreading the truth!

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bezalom said:

their growing additives and should go flush that nasty crap away (from the soil)

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I don't care about you or how you grow plants. I think these forums are places to learn how to grow and grow better. Thers's enough misinformation now, no need to add to it with fallacy or myth that can't be found anywhere else.
Why do you care so much? You're telling me my friends grow with this or that additive, how do you know my friends? You know shit, make assumptions, back peddle, and contradict yourself often in the same post. Why? Because you bought in to hightimes, grow forums, and nute companies, I mean you seem to know all about their feed schedules. You still never answered anything about organic growing and where the nutrients in dead plants and animal shit comes from if it's so easily removed with a week or so of water.

bezalom said:

should go flush that nasty crap away (from the soil)

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I'll leave this alone after this post. Why would you post (from the soil)? That's back pedaling at finest. We all know you weren't talking about soil. Washing soil makes plants taste better? C'mon dude just stop with the BS.

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KryptoBud said:

Can you post facts about how you remove nutrients from plant with water, or does name calling spreading bullshit forum folklore suit you better?

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man you are really a fkn idiot if I have to answer how pouring water through a bucket (if done enough times) will leach away everything....don't have to leach away everything...mainly the Nitrogen because nitrogen tastes like crap

are you really that stupid because this is common sense here now we talking about

growingforfun said:

I dont think you really get it still... you dont know where we get the no flush from because you are new to the forums and have no actual idea what people mean, as youve shown in the way you respond to people. You may not even really be reffering to a flush in the same way as people on the forum do! Btw, here a flush is pouring 3x the volume of soil through it. So if a 20 gallon container that would he 60 gallons of water. That was what was preached for YEARS. People dont do that anymore. Its not a good way to remove nutes. A taper off in feeding is a good way to remove nutes an produce a good smoke.
You also mention leaching the soil, im not exactly sure what you mean by that, but a lot of people here are going to think you mean a leaching product. An those dont help much so they are looked down on.

But theres nothing wrong with watering with pure water till runoff, then watering with your nute mix, to leach off some of the buildup salts an replace them with fresh mix.

Also... its litterally impossible to flush a organic grow. The more water you add to your organics, the hotter it becomes.

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you don't know what your talking about

organic grows get hard water build up too

they also sometimes get ph probs easily reset with flush

this no flush thing has nothing to do with this forum or me being new here (i'm soon gone though)

I've had this same debate with an ex-idiot friend that grows big and swears by foxfarm and no flushing and his pot tastes like crap long before I joined this site

been growing many years and was a longtime memeber of Overgrow back in the day ...so like who cares!?!

I grow organic and don't feed fkn at all...and I flush at three weeks prior to harvest so I don't have to smoke nitrates

so what I'm new.....so I don't know anything?

fo

Wow.. some people really are clueless...

The sad part is this fool actually thinks that he knows something and hes posting fucking people up, thinking hes helping them.

Heres a revalation... everyone thinks they grow the best, everyone. Now your tiny micro grow shows your one of the only/few people that thinks what you grow is actually any good. Maybe take a hint from those who are more successful around you... or dont. The world needs all kinds of people.

you obviously are the clueless one if you see so need to ever flush!

you wanna smoke crappy tasting pot....OK!

I never said I grew the best pot idiot...I also never said I know it all concerning pot...it is quit apparent I know more then you though...LMAO

my grow may be small but my quality is superior to any of your, "no-flush", feed until harvest crap!

Notice all your pics showing your great grow ability....talk is cheap!

Roger A. Shrubber said:

i grew up in a farming community, have to tell you, the farmers never flushed wheat, beets, corn, ANYTHING...because farmers know it's silly to even try. learn the basics of botany, and you'll learn that flushing can't do any of the things it's claimed to do.

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The Farms arnt in a bedroom though,unless you have a very large house,Been doing this a lot of years and I think the flushed bud taste better .Just my option through experience.Give it another year or so ,and they will be conflicting views from those supposed professional growers,about flushing.They will be saying it should be done.I can remember ,when they counted cover growth that's done now has ,something that needed pulling .Just do what you thinks right,I would rather flush for no other reason,than I know it helps the plants finish off ,faster.well it does in my growing .If I was growing using all organic stuff ,then I would not flush.But it makes me feel better knowing they have just had water for the last 7/12 days.And I can taste the difference,in my own stuff,from bud that I have picked early ,or say a bud got broke of so I dried it and smoked it ,seems harsher.But it's not a big deal ,if you don't flush then don't ,just don't try pushing info you have read down us that flush our plants throats,I listen to growers that don't flush ,and have a reason why they don't do it ,through info they have got through Experience,not what they have read on the Internet .

growingforfun said:

Wow.. some people really are clueless...

The sad part is this fool actually thinks that he knows something and hes posting fucking people up, thinking hes helping them.

Heres a revalation... everyone thinks they grow the best, everyone. Now your tiny micro grow shows your one of the only/few people that thinks what you grow is actually any good. Maybe take a hint from those who are more successful around you... or dont. The world needs all kinds of people.

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no it doesn't, it just has all kinds of people, needing, and them just hanging around being a pain is the ass is two different things

you can tell someone they're doing it wrong, and they'll ignore you, semi-rightfully. you can calmly explain to someone why they're doing it wrong, and they'll still ignore you. You can bash them in the head with documents proving they're wrong, wrapped around a 2x4, and they'll forcefully extol the benefits of doing it wrong. you can introduce them to people who have farmed their entire lives, and know more about it than they will in 100 lifetimes, and guess who's gonna be wrong......
so i say, why bother anymore. i'm going to go on telling new people it's completely useless and a waste of time to flush, and why, then i'm going to let them do what they want, and not give a shit anymore. i've got better things to do than waste my time trying to enlighten people who keep sticking their heads in the sand so they can't hear the truth

tyke1973 said:

The Farms arnt in a bedroom though,unless you have a very large house,Been doing this a lot of years and I think the flushed bud taste better .Just my option through experience.Give it another year or so ,and they will be conflicting views from those supposed professional growers,about flushing.They will be saying it should be done.I can remember ,when they counted cover growth that's done now has ,something that needed pulling .Just do what you thinks right,I would rather flush for no other reason,than I know it helps the plants finish off ,faster.well it does in my growing .If I was growing using all organic stuff ,then I would not flush.But it makes me feel better knowing they have just had water for the last 7/12 days.And I can taste the difference,in my own stuff,from bud that I have picked early ,or say a bud got broke of so I dried it and smoked it ,seems harsher.But it's not a big deal ,if you don't flush then don't ,just don't try pushing info you have read down us that flush our plants throats,I listen to growers that don't flush ,and have a reason why they don't do it ,through info they have got through Experience,not what they have read on the Internet .

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I like to have experience with a particular subject and have have some kind of actual facts to back it, posts of opinion can be found on riu, grow weed easy and every other forum.

Botany says "flushing" has the opposite affect on plants. If one side of a debate has first hand experience and some real proven data, who's pushing what down who's throat? I don't ever recall seeing anything stating when or how nutrition can be removed from a living plant. (I do have some people on ignore so maybe it's been posted in the last couple days so maybe i can't see it)...

Leaf senescence is induced as part of plant development but can also be prematurely induced as a result of environmental changes or harvesting. Premature senescence leads to reduced yield and quality of crops and this is likely to be of increasing concern in times of climate change and parallel population growth.

Leaf senescence involves a highly controlled process of degradation and mobilization. The internal structures are dismantled, macromolecules are broken down and nutrients are mobilized from the leaf for use in growing parts of the plant or to be stored in developing seed. To maintain cell viability until maximum nutrient mobilization has occurred, the dismantling process must be highly regulated and there are several chapters that describe this process in detail.

Here's the entire article that it came from.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2701846/

i like to see some senescenes as i get close to harvest, but not enough to kill a large amount of leaves. a few are alright, and a little color is alright, but the plant sucking itself dry isn't alright. i start tapering off pretty quickly, about a month out. i'll drop from 500ppm down to 100-150 and stick there till the end.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

i like to see some senescenes as i get close to harvest, but not enough to kill a large amount of leaves. a few are alright, and a little color is alright, but the plant sucking itself dry isn't alright. i start tapering off pretty quickly, about a month out. i'll drop from 500ppm down to 100-150 and stick there till the end.

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Me too, I think it's perfectly natural.