Help needed with tea recipe!!!!!!

hyroot

hyroot

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#1 They break down in the soil so how the hell can they be insoluble.
#2 Rock dust is soluble or plants couldn't use it.
#3 the same process that takes place in the soil which is water percolating through the soil picking up nutrients feeding bacteria moving enzymes dissolving minerals takes place in the brewing process too everything depends on water movement and oxygen. So what happens in the brewing process is no different than what happens in the soil only much quicker.
why so anal about this you're wrong do some research.
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nobodies said:
Read my post a little further up, post number #27.. I explain exactly how the process is working.

If you wanted to see how much these non-soluble components break down in the tea, (I think a PPM meter would work), or you could weigh the dry ingredients beforehand, then drain the water, let them dry and weigh them again. My guess is it would take 2-3 months for even stuff like blood meal flakes, kelp flakes to entirely break down in the tea.

If the PPM meter works, just take weekly measurements of the tea.
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Microbes eat the amendments then take a shit. That's takes about 1- 3 months depending on the amendment and 2 years for green sand and dolomite lime. That shit is what the plants uptake The microbes do feed in a tea but they feed on carbs / sugars in a tea. The microbes need food stock thats readily available. That's why using kelp meal extends the time til the tea is done. There's no piranhas in the tea devouring bone. Insoluble amendments need to be mixed with compost and castings to break down. The only way to speed up the composting process is either add worms to the mix or use sst, labs, gro kashi and / or comfrey. That will only speed it up by a couple weeks to a few days depending on the amendment.

The only way to get bone meal to break down in an aact is to brew the tea in a vortex brewer for 2 -3 weeks. The problem there is on the 3rd day of brewing, teas become protozoa dominant and the protozoa eats all other microbes producing nitrogen cyclers. You don't want your teas to brew longer than 48 hours.

Ppm meter won't prove anything you need a microscope.
 
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backtracker

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hyroot said:
Microbes eat the amendments then take a shit. That's takes about 1- 3 months depending on the amendment and 2 years for green sand and dolomite lime. That shit is what the plants uptake The microbes do feed in a tea but they feed on carbs / sugars in a tea. The microbes need food stock thats readily available. That's why using kelp meal extends the time til the tea is done. There's no piranhas in the tea devouring bone. Insoluble amendments need to be mixed with compost and castings to break down. The only way to speed up the composting process is either add worms to the mix or use sst, labs, gro kashi and / or comfrey. That will only speed it up by a couple weeks to a few days depending on the amendment.

The only way to get bone meal to break down in an aact is to brew the tea in a vortex brewer for 2 -3 weeks. The problem there is on the 3rd day of brewing, teas become protozoa dominant and the protozoa eats all other microbes producing nitrogen cyclers. You don't want your teas to brew longer than 48 hours.
Ppm meter won't prove anything you need a microscope.
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The plant roots excrete carbohydrates that feed the microbes. Why are so hung up on green sand micronized rock dust is what is used in tea. Never used bone meal in tea. You really don't have a good concept on brewing tea maybe you should educate yourself it is only brewed for 18-24 hours max. There are no god damn insoluble amendments/minerals that plants use the metal gold is insoluble plants don't need it the mineral calcium is soluble after it is oxidized .
 
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hyroot

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The plant roots excrete carbohydrates that feed the microbes. Why are so hung up on green sand micronized rock dust is what is used in tea. Never used bone meal in tea. You really don't have a good concept on brewing tea maybe you should educate yourself it is only brewed for 18-24 hours max. There are no god damn insoluble amendments/minerals that plants use the metal gold is insoluble plants don't need it the mineral calcium is soluble after it is oxidized .
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You just contradicted yourself several times. Re read your posts. All of them.

Maybe you should try making teas. While you make them take some horticulture classes. There lots of books on the subject. Any book by Dr. Elaine Ingham, Teaming With Microbes ,Marijuana Botany, there's tons of studies from the experimental botany dept at Oxford University . Rodale Institute , University of Missouri, Boston University.

How do roots secrete carbohydrates into an aact? With out compost or castings, or ferments you won't have any microbes in soil. The microbes in peat are not very diverse and there's very few of them.


Please look up the definition of soluble and insoluble. Soluble means dissolves in water. Any bone meal, kelp meal, green sand, dole lime, gypsum, basalt, glacial rock dusts, crab meal, shrimp meal, guanos, alfalfa meal, are not soluble. They just break down at different rates. If they were soluble you could use them in hydro. Plants in fact use.plenty of insoluble amendments once they're broken down by microbes.. Plants that are bio accumulators uptake every little thing in the soil.

Guano and cattle bone meal are frowned upon because of harmful pathogens they carry. Plus they make the smoke much harsher.

Maybe you shouldn't be googling shit while you reply. Learn first. Then discuss
 
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backtracker

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hyroot said:
You just contradicted yourself several times. Re read your posts. All of them.

Maybe you should try making teas. While you make them take some horticulture classes. There lots of books on the subject. Any book by Dr. Elaine Ingham, Teaming With Microbes ,Marijuana Botany, there's tons of studies from the experimental botany dept at Oxford University . Rodale Institute , University of Missouri, Boston University.

How do roots secrete carbohydrates into an aact? With out compost or castings, or ferments you won't have any microbes in soil. The microbes in peat are not very diverse and there's very few of them.


Please look up the definition of soluble and insoluble. Soluble means dissolves in water. Any bone meal, kelp meal, green sand, dole lime, gypsum, basalt, glacial rock dusts, crab meal, shrimp meal, guanos, alfalfa meal, are not soluble. They just break down at different rates. If they were soluble you could use them in hydro. Plants in fact use.plenty of insoluble amendments once they're broken down by microbes.. Plants that are bio accumulators uptake every little thing in the soil.

Guano and cattle bone meal are frowned upon because of harmful pathogens they carry. Plus they make the smoke much harsher.
Maybe you shouldn't be googling shit while you reply. Learn first. Then discuss
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#1 I have been making my form of tea for decades.
#2 the molasses added to the tea substitute for the root excretions.
#3 We are dealing with chemistry here so fuck the tea. An oxide as in iron oxide is water soluble just leave a nail in water and watch it turn the water brown that brown shit is fucking iron dissolved in water you got that?
#4 Micronized means that the stuff that is put in tea is so fine it will float in air it is easily broken down by acids by microbes by oxygen by agitation by exposure to light by exposure to other minerals it's call chemistry look it up.
 
hyroot

hyroot

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#1 I have been making my form of tea for decades.
#2 the molasses added to the tea substitute for the root excretions.
#3 We are dealing with chemistry here so fuck the tea. An oxide as in iron oxide is water soluble just leave a nail in water and watch it turn the water brown that brown shit is fucking iron dissolved in water you got that?
#4 Micronized means that the stuff that is put in tea is so fine it will float in air it is easily broken down by acids by microbes by oxygen by agitation by exposure to light by exposure to other minerals it's call chemistry look it up.
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No it's called microbiology. Look it up! We're dealing with microbes here. There's no ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid in my soil nor my teas
 
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hyroot said:
No it's called microbiology. Look it up! We're dealing with microbes here. There's no ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid in my soil nor my teas
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In tea and soil you are dealing with both. You can't have microbes without chemistry you wouldn't be alive without chemistry your body would nor function without chemistry every breath you take is chemistery, look that up.
 
nobodies

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There are very few things that a plant needs that are not soluble like gold, platinum, diamonds and titanium. Everything a plant needs is either water soluble, pron to oxygenation, acid or enzymes . The brewing process exposes the minerals to acids, enzymes, oxygen and agitation. The element iron plants can't use because it is in its organic state but add oxygen and you get iron oxide that plants can use and it's the same for all the minerals a plant needs. Bacteria also break down minerals by attaching to them and digesting them then they excrete what they don't need and the plant takes it up. You don't need to break it all down you just need to extract some of it and convert it to a usable form that way what would take months in soil can be done in hours in a tea. When you make a cup of tea you don't set there and wait until the tea is completely broken down you steep it until you get the desired strength and have extract the part you need that is the same with blood meal, kelp, alfalfa etc. Class dismissed:)
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Sorry, but that's just plain wrong. Everything a plant needs is most definitely not water soluble. This is the entire reason we use Mycorrhizas, to colonize our roots. These fungi can break down, and absorb nutrients that plants either cant, or are very bad at breaking down/absorbing. The fungi break these materials down into forms that plants can use, then give the plants these materials, and the plants give the Mycorrhizas sugars, starches, etc.

Bacteria do break down minerals, and organic material.. but not at anywhere the speed you are thinking they do.
 
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Sorry, but that's just plain wrong. Iron oxide is rust btw, plant's do not need rust. Everything a plant needs is most definitely not water soluble. This is the entire reason we use Mycorrhizas, to colonize our roots. These fungi can break down, and absorb nutrients that plants either cant, or are very bad at breaking down/absorbing. The fungi break these materials down into forms that plants can use, then give the plants these materials, and the plants give the Mycorrhizas sugars, starches, etc.

Bacteria do break down minerals, and organic material.. but not at anywhere the speed you are thinking they do.
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you are confused. later.
 
Chris323

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well the big bitch and the little bitches are drinking there tea .. guess time will tell if it helps at all lol
 
Rasta Roy

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nobodies said:
If you want to spew misinformation, at least be able to stand up to criticism for it. You think your the only one growing 'giant' plants eh? That's funny.
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The funniest post I ever saw on rollitup was after a intense back and fourth like the one here...someone posted something to the tune of "whatever man I do whatever they were arguing about, and I grow bomb plants!" alongside a photo of the worst looking plants you've ever seen lol. He was being sarcastic and it was hilarious. I would have ripped off his joke right now if I had pictures of shitty looking plants lol. But like you said, there's a lot of giant growers on here. Even if we don't understand exactly how we're doing it lol.
 
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Rasta Roy said:
The funniest post I ever saw on rollitup was after a intense back and fourth like the one here...someone posted something to the tune of "whatever man I do whatever they were arguing about, and I grow bomb plants!" alongside a photo of the worst looking plants you've ever seen lol. He was being sarcastic and it was hilarious. I would have ripped off his joke right now if I had pictures of shitty looking plants lol. But like you said, there's a lot of giant growers on here. Even if we don't understand exactly how we're doing it lol.
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don't you have any photos of your stuff just show that should be good for a laugh.
 
Rasta Roy

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don't you have any photos of your stuff just show that should be good for a laugh.
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Some advice friend, if you want to have a pissing contest...don't challenge the guy with the full bladder.

I'll be the first to admit I don't know everything, and I'm always learning.

But if you wanna laugh at something...

I'm a professional in a medical state. I do this for a living. Legally. I probably repotted more plants this morning then you've grown in the past two years. And I could talk to a cop and a judge while doing it. I don't say that to brag, Im saying my potential to try different methods and actually chart what does and doesn't work is exponentially higher than yours. So maybe don't talk shit to me, and I could be more of a resource, than a laugh. We are here to learn how to be better growers right? DSC_0650.JPG DSC_0675.JPG DSC_0693.JPG DSC_0690.JPG DSC_0773.JPG DSC_0834.JPG DSC_0733.JPG DSC_0934.JPG DSC_0847.JPG DSC_0846.JPG
 
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