Rasta Roy
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That Fert mixed with promix with the occasional worm and kelp tea will probably grow you some healthy crops I'm sure!
Help needed with tea recipe!!!!!!
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Chris323
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thats all i have been using is the pro mix, gaia , and worm castings. just got the kelp extract and bought some black strap .. figured it was worth a try
nobodies
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Yea that is what I said. My point was that they do break down, hence the whole concept of organics. If you put them in the tea, they will break down in the soil.
backtracker
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the minerals in rock dust are so small that the enzymes and chemical reactions plus the agitation gets the process started then billions of bacteria start their little orgy they all eat and shit speeding up the process. nothing happens in the bucket that doesn't happen in the soil so how do the minerals get broken down there. A tea brewed with the stuff he has makes the plants jump they love it I do it with a few different things but close. Something other that alchemy is going on you have a better reason?
Rasta Roy
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Do you have a source? Because there's a lot that happens in your soil that doesn't happen in that bucket. I'm not sure why you think brewing a compost tea is the same as the process that happens in the soil.
Just because a plant responds positively to what you give it doesn't mean all the ingredients are being used in their most optimum way.
You can use whatever you want. It'd just be kinda dumb imo.
nobodies
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Because it's the same bacteria at work. The whole point of the tea is to generate this bacteria. With tea you put all that bacteria in the soil, which goes on to break down the organic material over time. It happens in the tea as well, it's just an inconsequential amount of breakdown. So you are putting bacteria in the soil, as well as putting in sugars to propagate the bacteria. They go on to break down organic matter in the soil, this combined with the symbiotic fungi at the root zone will end up feeding the plant over the course of its lifetime. If these organic materials didn't break down, there would be a huge problem with organic growing. Putting insoluble materials in a tea bucket isn't the same as just putting them in water. It's the action of the microorganisms at work, it has little to do with solubility. The soluble ingredients will dissolve and give the plant an immediate boost, while the rest are broken down by fungi/bacteria, then fed to the plant via the symbiotic fungi, in exchange for sugars, starches and whatnot.
Rasta Roy
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Do you not realize you made my point for me? Greensand doesn't break down in an aact, bone meal doesn't either, and you're probably going to end up with an uneven application across your plants trying to apply it that way. Top dressing or soil mixing is the most efficient and beneficial way to use that fertilizer product. That's not an opinion. That is definitely a fact.
old shol4evr
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i use 30 gallons at a time,,what i do is alternate mine,,i use 2 handfuls of compost in panty hose,1/2 cup of horticular mollasse ,bubble for 24 hours add 15ml of k amino 15ml bio veg ,bubble another 12 hours,,use,,next feed is 1/2 cup fish emulsion ,2 handful compost,bubble for 36 hours,,next feed is 2 handful compost 15ml of bio floret,,works pretty good,,i also mix my compost,,just cheap bag of compost,1 bag 100% cow shit,,a bag of chicken shit,,mix all up and use in my tea,,,we been in triple digits so long dont remember how long,,but i feed twice a week from sun and heat
nobodies
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Who do you think is arguing with you? I am pointing out the facts, nothing more. No need to get all defensive.
Rasta Roy
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I don't know man, I'm sorry I could've swore there was someone on here saying nonsoluble ingredients that take years to break down in the soil...should be placed in an aact. And I was heartily disagreeing with that opinion. Because it is an opinion, not a fact.
backtracker
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#1 They break down in the soil so how the hell can they be insoluble.
#2 Rock dust is soluble or plants couldn't use it.
#3 the same process that takes place in the soil which is water percolating through the soil picking up nutrients feeding bacteria moving enzymes dissolving minerals takes place in the brewing process too everything depends on water movement and oxygen. So what happens in the brewing process is no different than what happens in the soil only much quicker.
why so anal about this you're wrong do some research.
backtracker
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it's not cool to insensate that someone is dumb smart ass.
Rasta Roy
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My apologies I never knew my real father.
nobodies
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Read my post a little further up, post number #27.. I explain exactly how the process is working.
If you wanted to see how much these non-soluble components break down in the tea, (I think a PPM meter would work), or you could weigh the dry ingredients beforehand, then drain the water, let them dry and weigh them again. My guess is it would take 2-3 months for even stuff like blood meal flakes, kelp flakes to entirely break down in the tea.
If the PPM meter works, just take weekly measurements of the tea.
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backtracker
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There are very few things that a plant needs that are not soluble like gold, platinum, diamonds and titanium. Everything a plant needs is either water soluble, pron to oxygenation, acid or enzymes . The brewing process exposes the minerals to acids, enzymes, oxygen and agitation. The element iron plants can't use because it is in its organic state but add oxygen and you get iron oxide that plants can use and it's the same for all the minerals a plant needs. Bacteria also break down minerals by attaching to them and digesting them then they excrete what they don't need and the plant takes it up. You don't need to break it all down you just need to extract some of it and convert it to a usable form that way what would take months in soil can be done in hours in a tea. When you make a cup of tea you don't set there and wait until the tea is completely broken down you steep it until you get the desired strength and have extract the part you need that is the same with blood meal, kelp, alfalfa etc. Class dismissed
backtracker
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how's it smell?