Have any of you DIY COB Growers finished a crop under 1000W DE HPS? - POLL

Have any of you DIY COB Growers have actually finished a crop under 1000W DE HPS?

  • Yes

    Votes: 32 29.1%

  • No

    Votes: 78 70.9%
  • Total voters
    110
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ThaiBaby1

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Yodaweed said:
Considering you never posted a picture on these forums and I have years of posting pictures and grows I think your the one needing the backup to their claims, baseless claims from a new member on these forums don't mean shit to me. You aren't your wife, you don't know shit about plants.
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And she would,not tell me! As far as posting pics, if I was an armed robber I wouldn't post pictures of my latest caper, and neither would I post pic of a felony grow if I had one! Besides you can post a million pics, does nothing to prove your claim. Still waiting for any real evidence. Here,s another link to people that don't know what they are talking about LOL ! blogs.scientificamerican.com
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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ThaiBaby1 said:
And she would,not tell me! As far as posting pics, if I was an armed robber I wouldn't post pictures of my latest caper, and neither would I post pic of a felony grow if I had one! Besides you can post a million pics, does nothing to prove your claim. Still waiting for any real evidence. Here,s another link to people that don't know what they are talking about LOL ! blogs.scientificamerican.com
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http://www.organic.org/articles/showarticle/article-206
There are literally countless articles supporting organic methods, you are paying Monsanto to kill you.
 
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ThaiBaby1

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Yodaweed said:
http://www.organic.org/articles/showarticle/article-206
There are literally countless articles supporting organic methods, you sir are a tool.
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Wow! Organic .org says organic is better ! Who'd thunk it!? The only advantags pot growers in containers that are relevant is taste and that is a total myth as is "flushing ", another mythical sacred cow of growers that don't know better .
P.S. The ad hominems do nothing to support your claim.
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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ThaiBaby1 said:
Wow! Organic .org says organic is better ! Who'd thunk it!? The only advantags pot growers in containers that are relevant is taste and that is a total myth as is "flushing ", another mythical sacred cow of growers that don't know better .
P.S. The ad hominems do nothing to support your claim.
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Why the hell would you flush organic....I think you are some inexperienced tool that started their RIU account a month ago. Zero pictures no growing experience, nothing to bring to the table but a mouthy opinion with nothing to back it up.
 
Stephenj37826

Stephenj37826

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Yodaweed said:
Adding anything synthetic and salt based to organic kills the bacteria that makes organic amazing. You should never mix the two. Might as well go coco or dwc at that point , salt = killed bacteria. Organic = alive, synthetic = dead and force feed salts. If you guys don't know that you shouldn't be trying to educate about lights, because you are uneducated.
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Not sure I ever mentioned what medium I even suggested... Coco being one of my preferred methods. So I mention my "opinion" on the matter and my personal experience and since it doesn't concur with your "opinion" I'm uneducated and don't know anything at all even lights huh. Wow just wow. Not here to argue in the least. Fact of the matter is your assertions are in no way based in science so please don't mix/confuse your "opinion" with facts.

http://gardeningunlimited.com/2011/08/16/mixing-organics-and-synthetics-does-it-work/
 
OneHitDone

OneHitDone

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Yodaweed said:
Sorry to say but you are wrong, they are completely different processes, maybe if you had some more experience you would know, but you don't. So sad this forum has become a bunch of noobs talking about stuff they are clueless about, bet this guy never even grown a plant, weed or vegetable, so pathetic this is what is on roll it up anymore. Bunch of kids talking hypothetical situations that have never done anything in the real world.
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This thread has gone way off topic but I am enjoying it and appreciate the contributions everyone is making.
I have long ponder this "organic" taste question. For like over a decade with growing lettuce etc. I would think by now if there is some specific organic compound that is excreted by microbes or some other process unique to organics the mastermind scientists would have identified it by now?
I have an article stashed somewhere that did a trial on lettuce and it seemed to go along with my observations on a head to head I did on mineral vs an organic hydroponic test.
I believe the "taste" advantage often given to the organic product is simply an accumulation of too much nitrate nitrogen in the mineral fertilizer grown product (causing bitterness in leafy greens). But in cannabis, with the holding back of the nitrogen in later flowering I don't think this is as big of an issue and nothing a complete nitrogen elimination in the last week or two wouldn't fully solve.
Anyone have any thoughts on that?
 
Michael Huntherz

Michael Huntherz

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Yodaweed said:
I'm sure there are studies proving why organic is better, I mean there is a reason in the supermarket organic food is more expensive...and there is a huge movement towards organic and veganic food/weed in legal states like the one I live in.
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This is the dumbest shit I have ever read, except maybe this...

Yodaweed said:
Sorry to say but you are wrong, they are completely different processes, maybe if you had some more experience you would know, but you don't. So sad this forum has become a bunch of noobs talking about stuff they are clueless about, bet this guy never even grown a plant, weed or vegetable, so pathetic this is what is on roll it up anymore. Bunch of kids talking hypothetical situations that have never done anything in the real world.
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...the first bit was more ridiculous, this is just exceedingly rude.

Yodaweed said:
Holy shit a whole month on the forum and you already know everything, what a surprise.
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Did you know people can learn things about plants outside of the internet?
You're proving to me that you're a garbage person, not just a loud mouth.

Science has yet to identify, much less understand, the nutritional benefits linked to thousands of phytochemicals produced by plants, so you could be right. We don't have a strong body of science on this, and Monsanto is doubtlessly trying to suppress that field of research, but saying you know when you don't and shouting other people down for disagreeing is super-not-cool.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/229871110_Impact_of_organic_and_inorganic_fertilizers_on_yield_taste_and_nutritional_quality_of_tomatoes

To be clear, I support organic agriculture.

You're part of the problem, you're actually hurting the organic farming movement.
Blatantly unsupportable claims like yours make folks who aren't on board with it yet point and laugh at the stupid hippies, then they disregard all of the other good reasons for organic farming.

Dude's wife is right, there's no scientific consensus to support your claims about improved flavor. Your flailing here has nothing to do with seeking the truth and has everything to do with you stroking your own ego. You're basically jacking off in public.

Michael Huntherz said:
I do feel that soil provides a tiny bump in flavor, something like 2-5%. I don't think "Organic" is the reason for that...I have seen no empirical evidence that soil-grown tastes better, it is just my personal bias.
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See that? It is OK to admit you don't know something, or that you have a personal bias but no evidence. Nobody will think less of you.
 
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RM3

RM3

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The organic vs chem argument is real but not for the reasons folks think and it is related to the soil vs soiless debate all simply because soil has minerals that are not in peat, coco, or hydro 8)

You see it is this simple, but what do I know LOL

Sulfur feeds the trics and minerals feed the terpes !!!

If ya want that "organic" taste simply add Azomite to your soiless grow
 
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PurpleBuz

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Yodaweed said:
I'm not trying to preach science, I grow both hydro and organic, my hydro always yields more my organic always tastes better. That's just from my experience. There is a difference in force feeding salt based nutrients as opposed to having bacteria and living creatures break down the material and create a food web if you will. Hydroponics creates hollow stemmed plants in my experience, organic soil creates woody based stem plants.
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I have never had a hollow stem problem, which shows your version of hydro is different than my version of hydro.
I don't force feed my plants in hydro, I run a steady low EC (<= 0.5.).

appreciate your experience with your hydro system, but please don't make silly generalizations over all growers and hydro systems.
 
sixstring2112

sixstring2112

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Yodaweed said:
Holy shit a whole month on the forum and you already know everything, what a surprise.
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this has got to be one of the dumbest threads on the net,and posts like this def make it in the running for dumbest ever lol.i have more time here then anyone on this stupid fuckin page .it does not mean i know more about organics,or led lights vs hid.and wtf really organic veggies cost more at the store because there better? lmao,it because it costs more to produce less and nothing more then that.
great job staying on track though everyone.news flash,a smart grower could possibly sign up here and have less posts or time here and know 10x more about growing plants than some idiot with 10,000 + posts.:wall:
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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RM3 said:
The organic vs chem argument is real but not for the reasons folks think and it is related to the soil vs soiless debate all simply because soil has minerals that are not in peat, coco, or hydro 8)

You see it is this simple, but what do I know LOL

Sulfur feeds the trics and minerals feed the terpes !!!

If ya want that "organic" taste simply add Azomite to your soiless grow
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The best way to re-mineralize organic grows is using a combination of brix blend basalt or glacial rock dust with high CGS ratings, gypsum , and oyster flour. Azomite works good but glacial rock dust or brix basalt has much higher mineral count and a much higher cgs rating. A cgs rating of above 2000 is considered excellent, the glacial rock dust I use has a CGS rating of 3000. You can also use Langbeinite to increase sulfur quanities in the soil or use an Sulfur admendment in your soil such as this http://buildasoil.com/collections/minerals/products/sulfur-90-agricultural

Like I said earlier, I grow both hydroponics (RDWC) and Organics (ROLS) and the ROLS is always more tasty. Soilless never can compare I have tried to do COCO, hydroton, coco in my hydroponics bucket, pumace, perlite, etc...none ever compare to my peat based ROLS.
 
wietefras

wietefras

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There have been many studies on the subject of organics versus chemical feeding and the outcome is that there is only a difference in pesticides and one contested research showing some increase in antioxidants.

In blind taste tests, there is no noticeable taste difference. If anything, people prefer the non-organics:

The thing is that when you do put an "organic" label on one of the plates people will say that one tastes better. Someone did that Penn&teller test with buds:
https://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/262584
Well the test was done at 3 different clubs and with a group of growers in Mendocino County. The strain used was Granddaddy Purple.
People were allowed to try free samples of organic grown and buds grown with General Hydroponics nutrients. Flora Nova and Kool Blooms.
Now the samples
2 plates of buds with labels showing but the buds switched. Organic buds in the hydro plate and hydro buds in the organic plate. 2 plates with no labels and the buds were in the right plate. Then for fun (he he he ) two sets of plates one with organic buds in both plates and one with hydro buds in both plates.

The results.
Buds in the right plate but no labels showing 73% of people picked the hydro buds as better tasting and smoking buds.

Buds in the plates with the labels showing but with the buds switched 87% picked the organic side with the hydro buds in the plate. (Even so far as going and saying they can taste the soil then getting very pissed when shown the bud they picked)

Then the same buds divided into two and put into labeled plates. So what I mean here is buds from the same plant put into two plates with different labels to see if anybody would notice. In both sets of plates 87% of people again picked the Organic as better tasting in both sets even though it was the same bud divided into two plates. I heard comments on how the organic tasted “earthy, cleaner, less salty, and one who insisted that the organic buds burnt better then got pissed when told he picked hydro in every instance.

The only people who picked right were people who didn't care if grown organic or grown with raid ant killer as long as they got a free sample.


Both sets of buds were flushed for one week before harvesting.

Conclusion is that properly grown hydro buds seems to be as good in every way as organic buds.
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So indeed people convince themselves that organics taste better, but the only thing that is needed for that is the "Organic" label. So, to get the best tasting buds, you should grow them in hydro and put an "Organic" label next to them. Best of both worlds!

Or perhaps you are just not feeding the hydro plants properly. Perhaps those are only getting a bottle of base nutrients lacking proper amounts of trace elements?
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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wietefras said:
There have been many studies on the subject of organics versus chemical feeding and the outcome is that there is only a difference in pesticides and one contested research showing some increase in antioxidants.

In blind taste tests, there is no noticeable taste difference. If anything, people prefer the non-organics:

The thing is that when you do put an "organic" label on one of the plates people will say that one tastes better. Someone did that Penn&teller test with buds:
https://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/262584


So indeed people convince themselves that organics taste better, but the only thing that is needed for that is the "Organic" label. So, to get the best tasting buds, you should grow them in hydro and put an "Organic" label next to them. Best of both worlds!

Or perhaps you are just not feeding the hydro plants properly. Perhaps those are only getting a bottle of base nutrients lacking proper amounts of trace elements?
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I want to try some of that raid ant killer grown bud!

Seriously, this seems to be a hot topic of debate right now, I feel like the flavor of my hydro grown product is as good as anyone's grown in soil.

What makes a (positive) difference I can immediately notice? UVB supplementation.
 
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