SeniorFrostyBud, clear your private message inbox, it's full, I wanted to pm you but it will not let me your inbox is full, sorry to go off topic, this thread has proven to me that their are some very intelligent members with a lot of great insight, now I am more confused as ever about religion! I will stand by my dislike of organized religion through, it seems only to serve in its own self interest. Reading posts and seeing different posts by several members that I have high impressions of their different opinions and insights, just wants to make me delve further into learning. Like I have said in the past, I was brought up an atheist as my grandparents had raised me. Then my mom got custody of me at 14 under false pretensions she was sober, she was a major drug shopper, who had me at the age of 14 going with her faking migraines to get her drugs, yet kept her rosemary beads with her at all times, forced me into a Catholic School, where I was shunned and felt like an outcast because I had never even seen a bible in my life. I believe that had a huge impact on my life against my belief system. This is a wonderful thread, I have gained knowledge. As they say, keep what you want and throw out the rest. It has made me think a lot about religion and hope and faith. Please keep posting, all information has to have a source. And Zahaet Strife, just like I said, you put the quote about religion, you must have picked it up somewhere or you and the other dude have similar minds, by the way, I'm a chick, but you can call me dude, I have no idea why, all guys seem to call chicks dudes now, lol!