Harvest a Pound Every Three Weeks!

Hola stinky and the rest of the fam!
I just finished reading the ENTIRE thread and am pumped about gettin everything goin (just waiting on a soil grow to finish up). I have already built the veg unit and I am going to use the botanicare 25 site cloner that I bought and paid waaay to much for before I was educated in the methods of the master (Thats you Stink!). For the most part this tutorial has made everything very clear and easy to follow, but I do have a few questions:

1) Stink or anyone else implementing this system: If you had to do it all over, what size would you make your flower room to manage the 3 flowering systems? I know you have a 7x8 room and its working GREAT but I was wondering if you ever wished you had more room, less room, etc. Basically, I am goin to be building my bloom room and and I don't wanna have any regrets about it after its up and running

2) I have all the nutes except for sweet. Is it necessary? I know it has carbohydrates that help improve taste, yield, and aroma and, being a soil grower, I have used molasses for the same purpose. Think I'll be okay substituting molasses for sweet or should I buy some?

3) In soil you want to have your plants raised up off of the cold basement floor cuz its bad for the roots. It seems like it would be the opposite with these aeroponic systems. Am I right that having my res right on the cold floor would act somewhat like a chiller and have a positive affect?

I wanna say thankyou to stink bud and every person who has added their valuable input to this thread. It has been great and I appreciate it more than I could ever show you! so I'll listen to stinky and help those in need and spread the love cuz thats the best I can do. Thanks in advance!!!

Welcome funnymunny,
My bloom room is 8x8x8 and i have 3 flower systems. If i could do it over again i would of built it 10x10, i had plenty more room to work with. my 8x8x8 gets really crowded when the plants get big.

I would try to get sweet if you can, molasses would probably clog the sprayers.

yes the res on the floor has worked for me, but i think it really depends on your climate.

Setting up a veg unit with 14 gallon roughnecks...

1. How long should the legs be in the top container? Since the Rubbermaid website lists the overall height difference between the 18 gallon and 14 gallon as 4.3 inches do I just subtract the difference. 7" legs in layout now become 3.7 inches. I guess I am wondering exactly how far from the top rim the top of the H piping should be???

2. Should the drain with ball valve (for hose) come off a T in the lower chamber or upper chamber or some other way?

Thanks for your help

has ANYBODY had any exp. with ATTITUDE SEEDS i was going to use them but they dont take pay-pal i just dont want to get RIPPED OFF

THANKS FOR ANY HELP

car washer said:

setting up a veg unit with 14 gallon roughnecks...

1. How long should the legs be in the top container? Since the rubbermaid website lists the overall height difference between the 18 gallon and 14 gallon as 4.3 inches do i just subtract the difference. 7" legs in layout now become 3.7 inches. I guess i am wondering exactly how far from the top rim the top of the h piping should be???

2. Should the drain with ball valve (for hose) come off a t in the lower chamber or upper chamber or some other way?

Thanks for your help

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yes to the first que.
And the top chamber

BIGTIMEROOFERR said:

has ANYBODY had any exp. with attitude seeds i was going to use them but they dont take pay-pal i just dont want to get RIPPED OFF

THANKS FOR ANY HELP

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i've never used them but from what i've heard they are ok.

try doing an advanced search with "attitude seeds" as a keyword within this thread only. i know some people here were talking about them positively.

and be carefull on the roof.

BIGTIMEROOFERR said:

has ANYBODY had any exp. with ATTITUDE SEEDS i was going to use them but they dont take pay-pal i just dont want to get RIPPED OFF

THANKS FOR ANY HELP

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attitude is great but ive never ordered there. ive only used DR.CHRONIC.here is my top list.
http://www.drchronic.com/main.asp
http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/index.asp
this place only accepts MAIL IN orders.i like this place cause they have Querkle
http://www.hempdepot.ca/seeds/canadian/index.html
this last one is special because they sell Single seeds.ya i kno attitude has single seeds but not half the variety of this place
http://www.worldwide-marijuana-seeds.com/

starting to bump og kushfirst pic flipping 12/12 know sec pic veged for 7 days and flipped this is 12 days on 12/12 peace bros

BIGTIMEROOFERR said:

has ANYBODY had any exp. with ATTITUDE SEEDS i was going to use them but they dont take pay-pal i just dont want to get RIPPED OFF

THANKS FOR ANY HELP

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Attitude is top in my book. I only order single female seeds from them and continue a 100% germination rate!

Just thought I'd give a shout of thanks to you for all the info. Here's a pic of what you can do with this system, and how it's so adaptable.

This is a closet that's 28 inches deep and 43 inches wide. I've got 6 channels in it each with 4 spots at 7 inch intervals ( 24 spots total in that little closet ). And the whole thing is only 12 inches tall. You can't see it in this picture but the closet is divided in two. This flowering section is only 4 feet tall and I've got the cloner going 24/7 in the top half of the closet

I made special drain attachments out of brass to attach tubing to. They are perfectly flat on the inside so that the water doesn't collect in the channels.

The ones on the right are just starting to bud. It's so empty in there because it was just my luck that most of my clones were male. Oh well, luckily it's easy as hell to clone with the cloner.

By the way, those Eco 396 pumps are little miracles. My last pumps from Home Dirtpile were noisy as hell. These new pumps are so quiet that I can hear the water draining with the closet door closed, but I can't hear the pump. Freaked me out the first time, I thought it was leaking. Heh.

Anyways, thanks again for the great info. You've inspired me to experiment with all sorts of stuff. Gonna try to figure out how to make LED lighting work next .

GringoLoco said:

Attitude is top in my book. I only order single female seeds from them and continue a 100% germination rate!

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THANKS GRINGO i thought it was to good to be true
i like the ideal of buying singles
but just my luck there out of ak47 and blueberry
guess ill wait for them to restock

Stinkbud,
I have a question for you about the roots. I am running this same set up and Have the ph set as well as the right ppm with the chemical mix in the veg set up. I have areas of the root system that seemed to have collected nutrients or something and I don't know if anything is wrong.

been looking for a way to fix clogging roots issues with the sprayers
i know that just placing them on the top will not do the job
but i still want them at the top to keep away from roots
here is what i came up with so far

Have people had issues with roots clogging the sprayers? I haven't had any issues, seems like the roots just form a layer at the base of the post and the sprayers are above that. Could be wrong but if its not broke why fix it?

SOG said:

been looking for a way to fix clogging roots issues with the sprayers
i know that just placing them on the top will not do the job
but i still want them at the top to keep away from roots
here is what i came up with so far

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torrey420 said:

Have people had issues with roots clogging the sprayers? I haven't had any issues, seems like the roots just form a layer at the base of the post and the sprayers are above that. Could be wrong but if its not broke why fix it?

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been reading about the sprayers getting clogged by the root occasionally
i am in the process of designing my system was hoping to iron out
any possible kinks before assembly

in the event that a sprayer get clogged
its visible only on the plant, slowly fading out
then one goes out to figure out why this is happening
having a backup on the other side isn't such a bad idea

this is sort of a hybrid between Stink's system and Earl's
best of both worlds in one design

I see, I wonder, does anyone make sprayers designed to be upside down? After reading through your journal I now know why you would want to have everything ironed out as best as possible!

i tried to use the EZ clone sprayers upside, for a top fed SB veg system...didnt work out so hot, they dont mist very well and leak like a siv. went back to conventional SB method. What was once a small 2in clone, is now a 2ft dense monster, spitting out more clones than i know what to do with. Gonna start flowering tomorrow

You guys are way overthinking the sprayers.... plus I have yet to read anyone having roots actually plugging them.

Even if one does get clogged it doesn't matter. The plant won't wilt--it has plenty of available water from the other sprayers.

I have one post right now that doesn't fully drain in 5 minutes due to massive roots of one plant... this post is now 1/4-1/2 full of water all the time now--slowly draining of course, but never catching up. No problems whatsoever. The sprayers don't even spray now, since they are underwater. I'm pretty sure I could get away without using sprayers all together in the fence posts.. just have open 1/2" pvc at the end and a true NFT.

Anyway... Surely some of you will not forget about upside down sprayers. Maybe you could just have the 1/2" pvc and sprayers laying on top of the fence post, next to the 2" pots, with the sprayers drilled in like usual--then have 1/4" holes drilled out next to the 2" net pots that the sprayers can lay in... this will even hold the pvc pipe in place.

Otherwise I would use Earl's technique with all the tubing...

Im with you repvip... I just finished up my first harvest, i took everyting apart and pulled out the 1/4 inch root mass, the roots were all intertwined around the sprayers and all.

NO PROBLEMOS.

repvip said:

You guys are way overthinking the sprayers.... plus I have yet to read anyone having roots actually plugging them.

Even if one does get clogged it doesn't matter. The plant won't wilt--it has plenty of available water from the other sprayers.

I have one post right now that doesn't fully drain in 5 minutes due to massive roots of one plant... this post is now 1/4-1/2 full of water all the time now--slowly draining of course, but never catching up. No problems whatsoever. The sprayers don't even spray now, since they are underwater. I'm pretty sure I could get away without using sprayers all together in the fence posts.. just have open 1/2" pvc at the end and a true NFT.

Anyway... Surely some of you will not forget about upside down sprayers. Maybe you could just have the 1/2" pvc and sprayers laying on top of the fence post, next to the 2" pots, with the sprayers drilled in like usual--then have 1/4" holes drilled out next to the 2" net pots that the sprayers can lay in... this will even hold the pvc pipe in place.

Otherwise I would use Earl's technique with all the tubing...

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DIRTHAWKER said:

Im with you repvip... I just finished up my first harvest, i took everyting apart and pulled out the 1/4 inch root mass, the roots were all intertwined around the sprayers and all.

NO PROBLEMOS.

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i believe the root were clogging as you've both described
because of the pipe being at the bottom with the sprayer, allowing the roots to encore
I'm more then convinced that with the sprayers at the top and working efficiently
this will not happen, and will look more like this without the obstructions





taken by Earl, full thread can be found here