Gun control is coming

Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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Drop That Sound said:
www.foxnews.com

Atlanta, Baltimore, Detroit: Study shows Democrat-run cities have highest homicide rates

Atlanta, Baltimore and Detroit all have two things in common: Democrat governments and the highest per capita murder rates, according to this WalletHub study.
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New study shows blue cities at heart of gun violence issue

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BEARINGARMS IS A VALID SOURCE OF UNBIASED INFORMATION???? HAHAHAHA FUCKING HA...get the fuck out of here with that NRA controlled piece of used ass wipe...
I'm not even going to dignify fux news as a source...why don't you quote trump, pinnochio, and tommy flanagan, too?
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cannabineer

cannabineer

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Fogdog said:
some do, I guess. I don't normally comment on people who post gun porn because it just stimulates more little boys to show their toys. That said, do you really think I wanted to see your handiwork? I don't, but I'm don't normally comment on it.

I'm sorry that you put so much time into tarting up a killing machine. Eye of the beholder and all that. To me, it's sickening.
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It’s one thing to desire a solution to gun violence.

It is entirely another to suggest that a gun is only about killing. That is where I think an inappropriate moral judgment is being expressed.

I like a society not operating under the burden of excess violence resulting from a badly-interpreted law.

I also like guns. I own a number, and I’ve refrained from mentioning the particulars.

There is no contradiction. I am not morally lesser for liking a gun.
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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cannabineer said:
It’s one thing to desire a solution to gun violence.

It is entirely another to suggest that a gun is only about killing. That is where I think an inappropriate moral judgment is being expressed.

I like a society not operating under the burden of excess violence resulting from a badly-interpreted law.

I also like guns. I own a number, and I’ve refrained from mentioning the particulars.

There is no contradiction. I am not morally lesser for liking a gun.
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No contradiction but I do feel a sense of embarrassment, given the narrative from the folks that think the point is to take mine/their guns away, when the fact is all I want is responsible laws governing there use and possession. The no permit required for concealed carry is just asinine IMO, and a huge step in the wrong direction. That’s why the embarrassment I guess :(.
 
cannabineer

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Budley Doright said:
No contradiction but I do feel a sense of embarrassment, given the narrative from the folks that think the point is to take mine/their guns away, when the fact is all I want is responsible laws governing there use and possession. The no permit required for concealed carry is just asinine IMO, and a huge step in the wrong direction. That’s why the embarrassment I guess :(.
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It’s a difficult topic because valid and understandable sentiments are involved. It would be hard to argue against someone’s belief that guns are intrinsically nasty things if that person or a loved one had been on the crap end of gun violence.
 
Fogdog

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7CardBud said:
People in these crime riddled shitholes need to get motivated and pressure their legislatures to get some stiff mandatory sentences on the books for violent crimes. Make the use of a firearm during the commission of a violent crime another charge that adds more mandatory time. Take the power away from these candy ass judges that treat violent thugs with kid gloves. No more shit like a 8 year sentence with eligible parole after two and remaining time served on community probation. You car jack someone and your getting sentenced to 10 years with 7 mandatory.....do it with a firearm and get another 5 years mandatory.
I think if people put the same amount of time into trying to control guns into actually controlling criminals they may see some results. A lot of the crime riddled shitholes have had tons of gun control and gun safety pass through their legislatures and it hasn't done squat.
Crime is a risk vs reward venture and it seems criminals don't fear the risk all that much. Time to change that.
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You should review what is known about high crime areas and rethink your solution. Your post isn't bad, it simply doesn't solve the problems behind the crimes.
 
Fogdog

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cannabineer said:
It’s one thing to desire a solution to gun violence.

It is entirely another to suggest that a gun is only about killing. That is where I think an inappropriate moral judgment is being expressed.

I like a society not operating under the burden of excess violence resulting from a badly-interpreted law.

I also like guns. I own a number, and I’ve refrained from mentioning the particulars.

There is no contradiction. I am not morally lesser for liking a gun.
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Pretty much is though. Handguns are only good at killing people. Sure, a person can take it as a challenge and get satisfaction from being a good shot. But the fact remains. The only use that thing has is killing people. Am I layering a moral judgement on the people who own them? I'm not. I'm saying that the machines in those pictures are ugly because of their function. Model trains are every bit as interesting and complex but they aren't designed to kill people.
 
cannabineer

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Fogdog said:
Pretty much is though. Handguns are only good at killing people. Sure, a person can take it as a challenge and get satisfaction from being a good shot. But the fact remains. The only use that thing has is killing people. Am I layering a moral judgement on the people who own them? I'm not. I'm saying that the machines in those pictures are ugly because of their function. Model trains are every bit as interesting and complex but they aren't designed to kill people.
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It’s the small step from ugly (a subjective thing) to bad (with objective consequence) to which I am drawing attention.

By and large, I want the same outcome as you. However invoking aesthetics needlessly hampers the discussion imo.
 
7CardBud

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I don't know what makes a criminal a criminal. Maybe it's a self-destructive drive similar to a junkie. Nothing can really be done to change or deter the behavior. That might be the case since it's pretty common to have life long offenders. Longer sentences by the basic math are alleviating the problem because it gets them off the streets for a longer period. Hell, it wouldn't be bad to start adding more time for repeat offenders. Something like you get found guilty for a second violent felony you get another 8 year mandatory sentence added on, do it a third time 25 year mandatory sentence.
The news stories that go something like: Joe Criminal, 43 was arrested today for carjacking. Joe has a long history of crime with 13 arrests and 7 convictions starting at the age of 15.
 
Drop That Sound

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7CardBud said:
I don't know what makes a criminal a criminal. Maybe it's a self-destructive drive similar to a junkie. Nothing can really be done to change or deter the behavior. That might be the case since it's pretty common to have life long offenders. Longer sentences by the basic math are alleviating the problem because it gets them off the streets for a longer period. Hell, it wouldn't be bad to start adding more time for repeat offenders. Something like you get found guilty for a second violent felony you get another 8 year mandatory sentence added on, do it a third time 25 year mandatory sentence.
The news stories that go something like: Joe Criminal, 43 was arrested today for carjacking. Joe has a long history of crime with 13 arrests and 7 convictions starting at the age of 15.
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Only 13? I've seen some repeat offenders have upwards of 60 convictions. :wall:
 
Roger A. Shrubber

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7CardBud said:
I don't know what makes a criminal a criminal. Maybe it's a self-destructive drive similar to a junkie. Nothing can really be done to change or deter the behavior. That might be the case since it's pretty common to have life long offenders. Longer sentences by the basic math are alleviating the problem because it gets them off the streets for a longer period. Hell, it wouldn't be bad to start adding more time for repeat offenders. Something like you get found guilty for a second violent felony you get another 8 year mandatory sentence added on, do it a third time 25 year mandatory sentence.
The news stories that go something like: Joe Criminal, 43 was arrested today for carjacking. Joe has a long history of crime with 13 arrests and 7 convictions starting at the age of 15.
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maybe they could fix up the schools and community centers where Joe Criminal lives? Put a decent medical facility in the area, invest in public transportation? Give breaks to positive businesses that open in the area? Maybe give Joe an alternative to carjacking?
 
Drop That Sound

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The risk vs rewards were worth it. You could make millions growing marijuana for the black market. Now days, going to the grocery store is a risk, because liberal judges and DAs keep letting violent offenders back on the streets every day.
 
Drop That Sound

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
maybe they could fix up the schools and community centers where Joe Criminal lives? Put a decent medical facility in the area, invest in public transportation? Give breaks to positive businesses that open in the area? Maybe give Joe an alternative to carjacking?
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www.q13fox.com

Guns, drugs, thousands in cash found after Seattle encampment fire

Several guns, drugs and thousands of dollars in cash were found after an encampment fire Thursday afternoon in Seattle's Chinatown-International District, police said.
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You mean one of the 2000 or more "homeless encampments" in the greater Seattle area, like this one?
 
Fogdog

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cannabineer said:
It’s the small step from ugly (a subjective thing) to bad (with objective consequence) to which I am drawing attention.

By and large, I want the same outcome as you. However invoking aesthetics needlessly hampers the discussion imo.
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I said ugly for the reason you gave.

If @Sir Napsalot really was posting pictures of hand guns on a thread advocating gun control because he thought I'd want to see them, my response is I think they are ugly and would ask him to find another place to post his gun porn. Not a moral judgement as you suggest.

Then again, I think he was posting them to get a response and I most often choose not to give him one. Regardless, he does what he do and he's a good guy. Maybe his sense of humor isn't like mine but that's how I'm taking it. He was trying to make a funny or maybe he wanted to show off his art. IDK. nuff said.
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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Fogdog said:
I said ugly for the reason you gave.

If @Sir Napsalot really was posting pictures of hand guns on a thread advocating gun control because he thought I'd want to see them, my response is I think they are ugly and would ask him to find another place to post his gun porn. Not a moral judgement as you suggest.

Then again, I think he was posting them to get a response and I most often choose not to give him one. Regardless, he does what he do and he's a good guy. Maybe his sense of humor isn't like mine but that's how I'm taking it. He was trying to make a funny or maybe he wanted to show off his art. IDK. nuff said.
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You’re spot on about handguns. They are inherently designed to kill humans. Glad Canada banned the importation and sale of them, hopefully it saves a few lives.
 
PadawanWarrior

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Drop That Sound said:
www.q13fox.com

Guns, drugs, thousands in cash found after Seattle encampment fire

Several guns, drugs and thousands of dollars in cash were found after an encampment fire Thursday afternoon in Seattle's Chinatown-International District, police said.
www.q13fox.com www.q13fox.com

You mean one of the 2000 or more "homeless encampments" in the greater Seattle area, like this one?
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What really sucks is that's my hometown. It was awesome when I was younger but now it's a shithole. It's been ruined and I would never live there anymore. It's bullshit.
 
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