Grow journal - Outdoors 2024 - Frisian Dew, Frisian Duck, Sweet Tooth Auto, Early Skunk

Group photo and Sweet Tooth Auto, starting to thicken up and, looking juicy. Really windy, so it was hard to get a proper picture.

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husita said:
You should be fine with autoflowers. I tried them and they are fine. My friend goes autoflowers only, about 40 plants.

I prefere regulars because of taste, bud structure, mold resistance and efects. But i gues its only in my head...
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I'm not an expert by any means, but I've grown both photoperiods and autos and I honestly can't tell the difference. As far as I know, many autos only have like 10% or less ruderalis, so in the worst case, you're losing 10% of the genetics from the parents, while also benefitting from ruderalis traits (Correct me if I'm wrong but ruderalis is more hardy when it comes to climate, pests and diseases?)

I see no reason why a Northern Lights auto for example, would have much different taste, buds or mold resistance than a Northern Lights. But perhaps your palate is just more sophisticated than mine :mrgreen:
 
HandyGringo said:
Group photo and Sweet Tooth Auto, starting to thicken up and, looking juicy. Really windy, so it was hard to get a proper picture.

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I'm not an expert by any means, but I've grown both photoperiods and autos and I honestly can't tell the difference. As far as I know, many autos only have like 10% or less ruderalis, so in the worst case, you're losing 10% of the genetics from the parents, while also benefitting from ruderalis traits (Correct me if I'm wrong but ruderalis is more hardy when it comes to climate, pests and diseases?)

I see no reason why a Northern Lights auto for example, would have much different taste, buds or mold resistance than a Northern Lights. But perhaps your palate is just more sophisticated than mine :mrgreen:
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I agree with you. It´s because i remember autos on their start, like in 2010? and they were shit. I have grown them many times after this and yes, they are good.

True problem could be when its like 14 days crap weather in veg phase, so they remain tiny and then they switch to flowering. But if you don´t need too much, it´s not an issue for you...I have two strains this year, one started flowering exactly 4 weeks after pop up, second one isn´t flowering after 6 weeks. It´s important to know your strain.

Yours are realy nice.
 
HandyGringo said:
Group photo and Sweet Tooth Auto, starting to thicken up and, looking juicy. Really windy, so it was hard to get a proper picture.

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I'm not an expert by any means, but I've grown both photoperiods and autos and I honestly can't tell the difference. As far as I know, many autos only have like 10% or less ruderalis, so in the worst case, you're losing 10% of the genetics from the parents, while also benefitting from ruderalis traits (Correct me if I'm wrong but ruderalis is more hardy when it comes to climate, pests and diseases?)

I see no reason why a Northern Lights auto for example, would have much different taste, buds or mold resistance than a Northern Lights. But perhaps your palate is just more sophisticated than mine :mrgreen:
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It may be only a small percentage but as it stands now it matters it will improve you got to remember we for the most part in the grand scheme of things we only been working with ruderalis for smoking for a very short time period especially commercially minus the odd exceptions however with recent Discovery's things might improve a bit faster but I can definitely tell the difference I've smoked some decent autos never been blew away by one though there definitely better now Vs the older ones that's for sure and the early stuff that isn't ruderalis based just more very photo sensitive tends to be more potent than straight day neutral plants Ime too
 
husita said:
I agree with you. It´s because i remember autos on their start, like in 2010? and they were shit. I have grown them many times after this and yes, they are good.

True problem could be when its like 14 days crap weather in veg phase, so they remain tiny and then they switch to flowering. But if you don´t need too much, it´s not an issue for you...I have two strains this year, one started flowering exactly 4 weeks after pop up, second one isn´t flowering after 6 weeks. It´s important to know your strain.

Yours are realy nice.
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I remember back then when autoflowers were more of a gimmick than a serious thing to grow. They've come a long way.

And I still don't understand entirely how autoflowers work. It seems like they take a lot longer to finish in bad climates (Like mine) so their growth isn't as simple as "They finish in X days" or "They veg after Y days" but what is it dependent on? Total sunshine they receive? I should look into that some more to understand it better.

It's also confusing because seedbanks always advertise how long their autos take from sowing to harvest, but I guess that assumes perfect conditions, or indoors? Please clue me in if you understand it.


conor c said:
It may be only a small percentage but as it stands now it matters it will improve you got to remember we for the most part in the grand scheme of things we only been working with ruderalis for smoking for a very short time period especially commercially minus the odd exceptions however with recent Discovery's things might improve a bit faster but I can definitely tell the difference I've smoked some decent autos never been blew away by one though there definitely better now Vs the older ones that's for sure and the early stuff that isn't ruderalis based just more very photo sensitive tends to be more potent than straight day neutral plants Ime too
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You've both made me question autos a bit. My grow next year might be something like. 2 autos and 1 photoperiod. Then I get the best of both worlds. Might experiment, get the same strain, auto and non-auto and see what difference, if any, I notice.

Northern Lights might be the one for me next year. I hear it's one of the easiest and most resilient strains to grow.
 
HandyGringo said:
I remember back then when autoflowers were more of a gimmick than a serious thing to grow. They've come a long way.

And I still don't understand entirely how autoflowers work. It seems like they take a lot longer to finish in bad climates (Like mine) so their growth isn't as simple as "They finish in X days" or "They veg after Y days" but what is it dependent on? Total sunshine they receive? I should look into that some more to understand it better.

It's also confusing because seedbanks always advertise how long their autos take from sowing to harvest, but I guess that assumes perfect conditions, or indoors? Please clue me in if you understand it.




You've both made me question autos a bit. My grow next year might be something like. 2 autos and 1 photoperiod. Then I get the best of both worlds. Might experiment, get the same strain, auto and non-auto and see what difference, if any, I notice.

Northern Lights might be the one for me next year. I hear it's one of the easiest and most resilient strains to grow.
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I have some extra Sunshine Pine auto seeds laying around. Maybe worth a try! I get 1.5 lbs average from a plant and it is fire! Loaded in trichomes and hits the head hard. If you have bubble bags or a press this strain is the shit.
 
SouthFloridaGenetics said:
I have some extra Sunshine Pine auto seeds laying around. Maybe worth a try! I get 1.5 lbs average from a plant and it is fire! Loaded in trichomes and hits the head hard. If you have bubble bags or a press this strain is the shit.
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1.5lbs from an auto is wild! But yeah it would be interesting to try. Assuming you use the same soil, nutrients, climate and genetics (except for the auto part ofc) I bet you wouldn't be able to taste a difference, but who knows?
 
HandyGringo said:
I remember back then when autoflowers were more of a gimmick than a serious thing to grow. They've come a long way.

And I still don't understand entirely how autoflowers work. It seems like they take a lot longer to finish in bad climates (Like mine) so their growth isn't as simple as "They finish in X days" or "They veg after Y days" but what is it dependent on? Total sunshine they receive? I should look into that some more to understand it better.

It's also confusing because seedbanks always advertise how long their autos take from sowing to harvest, but I guess that assumes perfect conditions, or indoors? Please clue me in if you understand it.




You've both made me question autos a bit. My grow next year might be something like. 2 autos and 1 photoperiod. Then I get the best of both worlds. Might experiment, get the same strain, auto and non-auto and see what difference, if any, I notice.

Northern Lights might be the one for me next year. I hear it's one of the easiest and most resilient strains to grow.
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To put it simply autos take what they take to mature once mature they flip so if it's been slower to grow due to bad weather then that's why it takes longer anything below 10c slows most comercial lines growth right down also breeder times are mostly based on optimal conditions and the fastest pheno plus a bit of optimism there only a guide anyway not set in stone rules it is ready when its ready trust your eyes not what they say
 
HandyGringo said:
1.5lbs from an auto is wild! But yeah it would be interesting to try. Assuming you use the same soil, nutrients, climate and genetics (except for the auto part ofc) I bet you wouldn't be able to taste a difference, but who knows?
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I'm doing high frequency fertigation with coco/perlite. All my plants look like they are on steroids! It's truly amazing! I dump 60-80 liters of water per day and the garden loves it!
 

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HandyGringo said:
1.5lbs from an auto is wild! But yeah it would be interesting to try. Assuming you use the same soil, nutrients, climate and genetics (except for the auto part ofc) I bet you wouldn't be able to taste a difference, but who knows?
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With the older ones I could taste the Rudy thing a bit more the newer ones it's not so bad/noticable the yield can be good too tis just the potency difference that lets em down for me now you can clone em that should change fast you would think if you can keep potent parents to breed with it should
 
Defoliated all the plants a bit a few days ago. And today it seems like the Frisian Dew at least has moved into flowering. Couldn't see any signs of flowering on the Frisian Ducks.

Photos of the defoliated bottom of Frisian Dew + A top showing pistils might be hard to see. But I swear they're emerging. :weed:

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Still a few weeks on the Sweet Tooth Auto I guess. I'm not an expert on timing. I'm looking for the white pistils to turn brown and then I will start looking at tricomes. I hope that's an accurate way to go about it.

There's some webbing on the top cola. Been there for a week, doesn't seem like it's getting worse, I hope it's just a regular spider. Will spray with fatty acids today though, to be sure.

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HandyGringo said:
Still a few weeks on the Sweet Tooth Auto I guess. I'm not an expert on timing. I'm looking for the white pistils to turn brown and then I will start looking at tricomes. I hope that's an accurate way to go about it.

There's some webbing on the top cola. Been there for a week, doesn't seem like it's getting worse, I hope it's just a regular spider. Will spray with fatty acids today though, to be sure.

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Beautiful plant ya got there pal. I'm interested in seeing how it finishes. I've currently got three Sweet Tooth photos going. Mine are entering week 2 flower now.
 

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Decent amount of fading/yellowing leaves from inside or lower on the Frisian Dew. I don't know if I should be increasing the nitrogen or if this is just a result of being shaded out.

It looks like one of them has been eaten a bit by a caterpillar or something. Will spray with BT tonight.

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Got impatient and harvested a tiny nug to try out the Sweet Tooth auto. All of the trichomes look cloudy/milky now IMO.

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Sweet Tooth Auto is nearing finish (I think) - All trichomes are cloudy. Didn't check with a microscope for a few days, so I have no idea if ambers have started showing up yet.

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Sweet Tooth Auto looking juicy. Frisian Dew looking thicc.

Both Frisian Ducks are kind of unhappy in general. I have no idea what their deal is. I attached some photos of the leaves I pulled off. Any thoughts?
It's odd because the Frisian Dew is pretty happy, and the Sweet Tooth Auto is also decently happy.

The Early Skunk in the ground is starting to look like a decent plant, so that's something.

Also, I started another Sweet Tooth auto a few weeks ago, as an experiment. In a pond basket in Bonsai soil, to see what I could end up with, with LST, airy substrate, and a small container.

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