Gringo's T-Buckets

GringoLoco

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Gringo's T-Buckets

Why T-Buckets?

After trying so many methods of growing and having invested much of the past year behind one particular system, I decided it was time to re-explore my growing system options. I was also looking to develop an easy to implement system that would empower nearly anyone to grow their own ganja with little effort, minimal investment, and locally sourced supplies; simple enough, right?

My first grow ever, more than 2 decades back, was in soil, and although we did harvest nearly 4 Ozs of some of the best pot we had smoked up till that time, I would hardly have called it successful; we burned the shit out of those plants! Although I am of the strong opinion that nature's way works best when growing plants, I mean, nature has worked for plants for millions of years, why reinvent the wheel, right? But when it comes to soil, unless you mix it yourself, you can only guess as to the nutritional contents of it.

In comes Aero; Now initially I liked Aero, primarily because of the lack of medium in the whole equation! Mind you, up until this point the only medium I had worked with had been some crappy rockwool (grodan made a huge difference for me) and hydroton (can you say OUCH! not fun to step on barefoot), so medium was a thorn in my side.

Now don't get me wrong, the Aero systems I built do work, but had I known then what I do now, I may have only built one flower system, if any; the cloner and veg system do work great for me though. This is what I have noticed, with the cloner and veg system, most strains seem to handle the medium-less environment just fine, although some strains that will actually pop roots a week sooner when placed into moist perlite than in the aero cloner. Strains like this will usually grow differently in aero than in an environment with medium, medium which provides a buffer between the roots and the outside world.

One clear example of this is my Big Buddha Cheese; I wouldn't regularly recommend feminized seeds, but that is how I started, with single feminized seeds from The Attitude, so I won't knock it. When I popped my single Cheese bean, I was running Aero exclusively, and grew wonderfully during seedling and vegetative stage, once in flower, she blew up, I mean just got big almost before my eyes, but I quickly noticed bananas starting to popup every few nodes or so. Since then, every single one of the Cheese clones from this initial seed developed nanners; and not just one or two, but all over. The more she swelled, the more she seemed to hermie. I took it for granted that I must have gotten a hermie pheno, because in my opinion, she was not stressed; nice , lush green leaves, no stretch, massive fluffy, fruity smelling buds.

I was about to cull the Cheese altogether when I first started experimenting with the buckets, I took the nicest of the clones and popped her in a bucket. At 2 weeks in, I started my normal habit of plucking balls off the Cheese and was surprised to NOT find any nanners at all. Not only that, the buds seemed to be tighter, denser, and the smell was not fruity, but more of a salty, cheesy smell. She is currently at ~5 weeks in and is looking wonderful; I have decided to hold off culling until I've had a chance to sample the finished bud, but I have a strong feeling that I'll be pleasantly surprised.

Based on these and other factors, I'm leaning towards the belief that a plant can be stressed in ways that are not clearly visible to us, and one of these unseen stress factors could very possibly be due to the lack of a buffer in the root zone.

So I tried ebb and flow, as well as Deep Water Culture, both worked OK, but just didn't really grab me, each having detractors, primarily air and water pumps. My logic is, as indoor growers, we basically are playing God, an ever lasting quest to replicate mother nature inside; I've seen, smelled, and tasted amazing crops grown without any of that. With these variables, I eventually migrated to several Hempy Bucket threads scattered around numerous other grow boards.

A Hempy Bucket is a simple design which has been very successful in numerous gardens for many years. Basically you take any opaque container, make a small round hole 1/8th to 1/4 of the way up from the bottom, fill bucket with medium of choice (original design by Hempy called for a 50/50 mix of vermiculite and perlite, although he later revised it to 100% perlite), place cutting or clone in, water daily until the roots reach the bottom, which coincidently also acts as a reservoir, then water/feed when the container feels light - easy, peasey.

After having run the basic Hempy design, I found 2 minor cons.

First was the over spill. I always found it best to always pour water/nutes in until I had some runoff, to know the reservoir was full and to refresh any that might still have been left. Doing this required me to either lift and move the bucket over the sink to fill, or keeping the bucket inside of a tub; this nullified the portability of the individual bucket.

Second, I found that once the root mass reached a certain size, I sometimes miscalculated the weight or volume of nutrients left behind, leading to some instances of the medium completely drying out and the plant drooping some. By adding a second bucket, I get 2 birds stoned at once (Rickyism) - with the extra bucket, I can fill the reservoir and then some, letting the overage collect in the bottom bucket. Then that overage acts as a backup once the nutes/water in the primary reservoir has been depleted by way of the wick connecting the two.

Why "T-Buckets"? Although there are many names to call our wonderful herb, I've always been fond of the term 'Tea' used by Jazz musicians back in the roaring twenties, not only that, but the basic design uses a T-Shirt as the wick, so I figured, why not?

Okay, so let's get to it.

What's needed for each bucket?

(2) Opaque container of the same size - what size? That depends on many factors, primarily light and space. Good rule of thumb - more root space usually means more bud.
Enough Medium to fill one container - What type of medium is up to you, many seem to work just fine - my mix, 1:1:1 Rockwool, Perlite, Vermiculite
Wick - Now normally cotton would not be recommended as it does get broken down quite quickly, but since these will only be used once for no more than a few weeks, all is good. Rope, nylon, cotton - basically anything non-toxic that absorbs liquid should work
Something sharp to make a hole with, I use my Fiskar garden shears

How Do I make one?

First we take our buckets



Then we make our hole, not too big, but enough for water to drain



We then take our wick and place half of it in inside the bucket with the hole, and the other half out



Now comes the medium. The mix I am currently working with consists of rockwool mini-cubes/croutons at the bottom of the bucket, followed by a layer of perlite, and topping it off with vermiculite.

Here is an example of what the layers end up looking like:



When moving a clone from the veg system to a bucket I found it best to snip of the end of the roots, it triggers a growth spurt and helps to help with transplant shock too.

I like to place the first half of the medium in, then I make an indent in the middle and then grab the bottom of the root mass and pull it through the medium making sure the roots touch the bottom.







Being as I like to grow using BioActive practices (I find the term organic inappropriate), the first feeding I give a plant when transplanted is water, Stress Zyme, and Mycorrhizae.


What do i feed them?


Here is one of the best parts, you can feed these things practically anything! Yes, even box store bought brand name nutes have thus far worked great as long as you follow the 1/4 to 1/2 strength recipe. I do plan to go into specifics and do side by side comparisons of different nutes. Something that will work for those that have a recirculating Aero system running, these bucket's will do just fine with the nutrient solution you would otherwise drain when mixing a new batch. And another big plus of the buckets, almost no nutrient waste!

More to come...
 

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GringoLoco

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Welcome aboard NeL and guitarzan, glad to have you :)

So I read this article in Maximum Yield Magazine (http://issuu.com/maximum-yield/docs/my_usa_jan10?viewMode=magazine&mode=embed Page 85) titled "Knowing the Three S's of Controlled Release Fertilizers (CRF)". The three S's according to the article are Safe, Simple, Sensible. Besides discussing the ease, just add water, it mentions 2 separate university experiments which report increased root zone versus scheduled liquid fertilizer application and yields from 1.5-3 times greater!

Now, I'm not one to get carried away with an article I read, but after some quick searches, I found Carl Pond 13-13-13 (http://www.amazon.com/Carl-Pool-Controlled-Fertilizer-13-13-13/dp/B000FPPZBY) for less than $20 delivered, i figured, why not try it myself, right?

Today I received the ferts so off we go! I picked the largest lady in my veg unit which happens to be an Afghan Kush; let the games begin!

So here we have the star of this experiment, Carl Pool's 13-13-13 CRF





The instructions call for 1 tablespoon per gallon medium (between the medium and the backup res I calculate ~4 gallons, so I've gone with half strength and only added 2 tbsp) used plus 2 tbsp extra in the top soil for fruit and vegetables; being as cannabis falls more in that category I decided to follow that as well.

So after making one of my T-buckets, I placed 2 tbsp of ferts in before filling with medium.

I filled 3/4 of the way before placing the plant in, I then mixed 2 extra tbsp in the top layer of vermiculite and finally, some water!

So first run I'm going to be adding nothing but water, Stress Zyme, and Rooters Myco. If all goes well, I'll try adding more additives and record any visible results.
 

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GringoLoco

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The jar is 4lbs, I used a total of 4 tbsp for (2) 2.5 Gallon buckets; that is all the fertilizer I will add for this experiment - only water from here on out.

If this schedule works the jar should last for many dozens of plants entire flowering cycle.
 

guitarzan420

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Awesome. My local hydro store gave me some nutes called envy. supposed to be just a 2 part system for hydro. just changing the a/b percentage between veg and bloom. supposed to stabilize the ph fluctuation as well.we'll see. hope this works well for you bro!
 

GringoLoco

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I have not yet heard of Envy; have been running Cutting Edge Solutions with great results and no pH flux!

Good luck with Envy :)
 

GringoLoco

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So far the AK in a bucket with the Carl Pool's CFR is looking great, we'll see how she does for the long run.
 

Big Raw J

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Looks cool...I have a ? though. How is the res bucket setup? Do you put the plant bucket into the res bucket or are they just side by side with the wick going from the res to the plant bucket?

I have a few autowatering pots that use this idea with a false bottom in the pot. There's a res in the bottom with a wick that lays across the bottom and each end goes into the res. I used it a few times for plants and it does work good, you really have to be careful with the feedings though or you will be trying to flush and thats a pain in the ass.

It'll be interesting to see how the plant takes to the fertilizer...Good luck and happy growing!
 

GringoLoco

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Yes, the top bucket sits inside the second bucket, with the wick connecting the two.

Thanks for stopping by, happy growing to you too!
 

GringoLoco

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Thus far I've found that I may have over fertilized with the CFR, next run I will be going 1/4 strength; the plant is alive and budding but she is showing leaf burning and other signs of nute over dosage.

Cheers!
 

streetlegal

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Good to see u back dishing the info again GL, its what ur good at..

i have this brain error/ocd thing which always has me searching for optimum growth techniques..for eg. lets say that ive tried every medium there is, one after another and rockwool gave me the most vigorous and yielding plants.. well thats not enough for me! then i have to try and micro manage, test and compare different nutes, nute levels, nute delivery, watering frequencies, lets complicate my life more with res temps, layout some dough on chillers etc etc it... then compare labour intensivness, amount of nutes$$, water$$, practicality.. then start over again..

Doubleds got what 40lbs off 10 plants, i think most growers worth their salt are in with a chance with 20k lights, no matter the system,

bah! im over makin shit so hard for myself.. its good to see someone simplifying.. Sub'd:bigjoint:
 

GringoLoco

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Well, the CRF bucket met an early demise due to an off balance moment in the garden, it actually looked quite healthy before I crushed it and the bucket it sat in.

I do plan to re-visit CRF in the near future, but for now am still having great success with these buckets. One thing I have noticed, strains that appear to grow bigger in the Aero system actually weigh less than similarly sized plants in these small buckets; the buds end up quite dense, visibly frostier, and in my honest opinion, much stonier.
 

GringoLoco

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I rarely leave no more than a pint or so in reservoir bucket, it's only there as a measure to prevent the roots from completely drying out.
 

GanjaAL

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Oh ok... so basically you feed them every once in awhile pooring water/nuted into the medium. Then you make sure the rez bucket has atleast a pint as to insure the plant gets water if need be. I am working on a way to keep my moma's alive and thriving.
 

GringoLoco

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Yeah, I usually just let a little extra run out and collect into the bottom res. For mums I've had great success using the Hempy approach with party cups, you can fit quite a few in a standard black tray.
 

pinksensa

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So with the res are you watering everyday or every other day since your 2nd bucket res is essentially a backup?
 
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