Great white in guano tea

Dr. Treez84

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So the guy at my hydro store suggested I start throwing some great white in with my molasses and compost when I first start brewing my tea. But I've been reading that the mycros in great white shouldn't be in the water longer than an hr before it's used.

My question.... Am I wasting the great white? Or are the other bacterias in it being used and I'm only losing out on the mycros?

Also if my recipe calls for 1 cup compost per 5 gallons. Do I really need 50 cups of compost for my 250 gallon res? Or do they proportion differently as you increase water
 

flaxseedoil1000

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"So the guy at my hydro store suggested I start throwing some great white in with my molasses and compost when I first start brewing my tea. But I've been reading that the mycros in great white shouldn't be in the water longer than an hr before it's used.

My question.... Am I wasting the great white? Or are the other bacterias in it being used and I'm only losing out on the mycros? "

Non aerated tea, yeah they would die. Properly aerated tea (0.05 CFM per gallon while the optimum flow is 0.08 CFM per gallon per http://www.microbeorganics.com ) they would multiply.

"Also if my recipe calls for 1 cup compost per 5 gallons. Do I really need 50 cups of compost for my 250 gallon res? Or do they proportion differently as you increase water"

Depends. If you are trying to extract nutrients then more compost would make stronger tea. However if you are simply trying to increase the size of the herd of bennies in your soil then you would not need as much.

http://www.microbeorganics.com recommends your compost / castings be 2.38% of the water volume.

That's 90 ml or .38 cups per gallon.
 

Dr. Treez84

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"So the guy at my hydro store suggested I start throwing some great white in with my molasses and compost when I first start brewing my tea. But I've been reading that the mycros in great white shouldn't be in the water longer than an hr before it's used.

My question.... Am I wasting the great white? Or are the other bacterias in it being used and I'm only losing out on the mycros? "

Non aerated tea, yeah they would die. Properly aerated tea (0.05 CFM per gallon while the optimum flow is 0.08 CFM per gallon per http://www.microbeorganics.com ) they would multiply.

"Also if my recipe calls for 1 cup compost per 5 gallons. Do I really need 50 cups of compost for my 250 gallon res? Or do they proportion differently as you increase water"

Depends. If you are trying to extract nutrients then more compost would make stronger tea. However if you are simply trying to increase the size of the herd of bennies in your soil then you would not need as much.

http://www.microbeorganics.com recommends your compost / castings be 2.38% of the water volume.

That's 90 ml or .38 cups per gallon.
Cool thanks. I have over .08cfm with my new pumps, but looks like I really do need to use a ton of compost lol appreciate the advice and the links

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Pattahabi

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So the guy at my hydro store suggested I start throwing some great white in with my molasses and compost when I first start brewing my tea. But I've been reading that the mycros in great white shouldn't be in the water longer than an hr before it's used.

My question.... Am I wasting the great white? Or are the other bacterias in it being used and I'm only losing out on the mycros?

Also if my recipe calls for 1 cup compost per 5 gallons. Do I really need 50 cups of compost for my 250 gallon res? Or do they proportion differently as you increase water
You violated rule #1 - The only thing you should ask the guy at the hydrostore is where the restroom is.

Adding great white to your ACT is only going to line his pockets. It's a complete and utter waste of money. Also, a guano tea, and an ACT are two different things.

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Pattahabi

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"So the guy at my hydro store suggested I start throwing some great white in with my molasses and compost when I first start brewing my tea. But I've been reading that the mycros in great white shouldn't be in the water longer than an hr before it's used.

My question.... Am I wasting the great white? Or are the other bacterias in it being used and I'm only losing out on the mycros? "

Non aerated tea, yeah they would die. Properly aerated tea (0.05 CFM per gallon while the optimum flow is 0.08 CFM per gallon per http://www.microbeorganics.com ) they would multiply.

"Also if my recipe calls for 1 cup compost per 5 gallons. Do I really need 50 cups of compost for my 250 gallon res? Or do they proportion differently as you increase water"

Depends. If you are trying to extract nutrients then more compost would make stronger tea. However if you are simply trying to increase the size of the herd of bennies in your soil then you would not need as much.

http://www.microbeorganics.com recommends your compost / castings be 2.38% of the water volume.

That's 90 ml or .38 cups per gallon.
Hi Flax! A couple of things. Mycorrhizae do not multiply in act, they become food stock. The .08cfm is with an airlift style brewer. With a less efficient brewer your dissolved oxygen will be lower, and may require more cfm to keep an aerobic brew.

Peace!
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Dr. Treez84

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You violated rule #1 - The only thing you should ask the guy at the hydrostore is where the restroom is.

Adding great white to your ACT is only going to line his pockets. It's a complete and utter waste of money. Also, a guano tea, and an ACT are two different things.

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Yeah I realized that when he sold me koolbloom saying I could run it the whole time. After getting home doing some research, he was completely wrong. That's why I started looking into the great white. Sadly I already opened both but lesson learned.
 

Pattahabi

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Yeah I realized that when he sold me koolbloom saying I could run it the whole time. After getting home doing some research, he was completely wrong. That's why I started looking into the great white. Sadly I already opened both but lesson learned.
I always take a long hard look at any bottle in my garden and make sure it is absolutely necessary. Atm that list contains molasses, pro-tekt (silica), karanja/neem, and Ful-power.

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greasemonkeymann

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Yeah I realized that when he sold me koolbloom saying I could run it the whole time. After getting home doing some research, he was completely wrong. That's why I started looking into the great white. Sadly I already opened both but lesson learned.
ohh, that sucks.. Mychorizae is some great stuff, but you can find it all over the place, and like pretty much EVERYTHING cannabis related, it's expensive, the key is (and this is true for most everything growing related) try to find the SAME stuff, only not at a hydro store, absolutely EVERYTHING can be found at typical garden stores, with the exception of maybe some hydro-stuff, but we're talking organic here. Difference is the price. It's not that bad, and after the initial investment it's cheap to maintain.
Some you can even find at health stores, black-strap molasses, and seed-stock for SST's, it's really not that hard, if you dedicate some time and if I may suggest growing regular plants as well, you'd be surprised how much you would learn from the process, not to mention everybody likes plants.... women in particular. Just sayin. If you can grow an orchid and make it flower over and over, then pot-growing is simple. Some exotic violets and orchids are lightyears harder to grow than pot.
 
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Dr. Treez84

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ohh, that sucks.. Mychorizae is some great stuff, but you can find it all over the place, and like pretty much EVERYTHING cannabis related, it's expensive, the key is (and this is true for most everything growing related) try to find the SAME stuff, only not at a hydro store, absolutely EVERYTHING can be found at typical garden stores, with the exception of maybe some hydro-stuff, but we're talking organic here.
Some you can even find at health stores, black-strap molasses, and seed-stock for SST's, it's really not that hard, if you dedicate some time and if I may suggest growing regular plants as well, you'd be surprised how much you would learn from the process, not to mention everybody likes plants.... women in particular. Just sayin. If you can grow an orchid and make it flower over and over, then pot-growing is simple. Some exotic violets and orchids are lightyears harder to grow than pot.
Actually planned on that next year. Going to put a smaller GH up to grow some flowers and veggies in. Just wasn't in the cards this year, too much going on. And I'll definitely look into that. I try and stay away from the hydro store for as much stuff as I can... They tend to have everything at least 25% more expensive and I'm a penny pincher :)

Just new to teas and organics so taking steps into it. Long winter to study up some more before next year though.

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greasemonkeymann

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Actually planned on that next year. Going to put a smaller GH up to grow some flowers and veggies in. Just wasn't in the cards this year, too much going on. And I'll definitely look into that. I try and stay away from the hydro store for as much stuff as I can... They tend to have everything at least 25% more expensive and I'm a penny pincher :)

Just new to teas and organics so taking steps into it. Long winter to study up some more before next year though.

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well, pattahabi has some good knowledge on the teas, so if you cyber-stalk him you'll learn some stuff
 

Pattahabi

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well, pattahabi has some good knowledge on the teas, so if you cyber-stalk him you'll learn some stuff
Thanks grease, I'm regurgitating the the info I've learned from Microbeman, etc and my experience with teas. I'm far from an expert, but if I can help let me know.

Peace!
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greasemonkeymann

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Thanks grease, I'm regurgitating the the info I've learned from Microbeman, etc and my experience with teas. I'm far from an expert, but if I can help let me know.

Peace!
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No-no, thank YOU, I admit, i'm sorta arrogant when it comes to pot-growing (ok, in other ways too) I've been doing it since 1989, and I have no idea how many successful harvests I've had, I realize I don't know it all, but, i'll say as modestly as I can, I do know a whole lot. It's been a pretty long time since I've learned much about cannabis, but the small nuances of organic growing (the no-till, SST's, and using other plants to re-condition the soil) those things I knew very little about, you have taught me a lot about it, i'm in your debt for it. An analogy i'll use is this. I'm a auto-diagnostician, meaning I solve the problems basic auto-mechanics cannot, I have extensive schooling, am accredited by the state, and repair cars for low-income people via the CAP program, etc, etc. Of course I didn't come out of the womb knowing how to troubleshoot cars, read electrical diagrams, oxygen sensor waveforms, or ignition scope patterns, those things were TAUGHT to me, by certain skilled teachers/older techs.
You sir, are one of those teachers. I thank you for that, and i'll pass on the stuff you taught me to others, being diligent to give credit where credit is due.
I appreciate what I've learned. Whether you are regurgitating or not, it doesn't matter to me, as the information is both relevant and valid.
 

Pattahabi

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No-no, thank YOU, I admit, i'm sorta arrogant when it comes to pot-growing (ok, in other ways too) I've been doing it since 1989, and I have no idea how many successful harvests I've had, I realize I don't know it all, but, i'll say as modestly as I can, I do know a whole lot. It's been a pretty long time since I've learned much about cannabis, but the small nuances of organic growing (the no-till, SST's, and using other plants to re-condition the soil) those things I knew very little about, you have taught me a lot about it, i'm in your debt for it. An analogy i'll use is this. I'm a auto-diagnostician, meaning I solve the problems basic auto-mechanics cannot, I have extensive schooling, am accredited by the state, and repair cars for low-income people via the CAP program, etc, etc. Of course I didn't come out of the womb knowing how to troubleshoot cars, read electrical diagrams, oxygen sensor waveforms, or ignition scope patterns, those things were TAUGHT to me, by certain skilled teachers/older techs.
You sir, are one of those teachers. I thank you for that, and i'll pass on the stuff you taught me to others, being diligent to give credit where credit is due.
I appreciate what I've learned. Whether you are regurgitating or not, it doesn't matter to me, as the information is both relevant and valid.
LmFao! Ok, I have to openly admit I'm SO in your same boat. I started growing cannabis in 1991. We sure didn't get the benefit of the internet back then. Hell, you didn't tell a fucking soul for fear of getting busted. We learned by trial and error, and that taught us a lot. However, there was the time for me also when I realized I had some catching up to do. There's a lot of crazy smart people in the world, and now that we have so many great minds thinking on cannabis there is a lot to keep up with!

Exciting times we live in! ;)
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ps... changing my own oil is about all I got on cars lol!
 

greasemonkeymann

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LmFao! Ok, I have to openly admit I'm SO in your same boat. I started growing cannabis in 1991. We sure didn't get the benefit of the internet back then. Hell, you didn't tell a fucking soul for fear of getting busted. We learned by trial and error, and that taught us a lot. However, there was the time for me also when I realized I had some catching up to do. There's a lot of crazy smart people in the world, and now that we have so many great minds thinking on cannabis there is a lot to keep up with!

Exciting times we live in! ;)
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ps... changing my own oil is about all I got on cars lol!
Hah, totally true, I grew for years with a non-remote MH ballast meant for warehouse lighting, I had to have it supported with special rope/twine that didn't melt because it got so hot, made a MacGyver reflector out of aluminum foil and mylar. The damn thing weighed probably 75 lbs or so.
I feel the same way about education as I do about pot-growing, in that, you kids have it SOOOO easy, type in a subject to a search engine and there's your info, for us, it was go to the library and get ten books to go through to find relevant info, or use the back of a hightimes to mail order growbooks (only had Rosenthal and Cervantes back then) then you had to get them sent to a different address to not alert the parents... good times, good times.
 
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