Government claims it owns children, threatens 2nd mom with jail

PCXV said:
What if the theif that stole your car was an abolitionist ? Or a slave ? Or both ?

Was that a brain fart? Are you saying if you have a certain identity or beliefs that you don't have to abide by the NAP?
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No, I'm saying that it is difficult for me to assign original sin to a person based on the actions of their long dead ancestors.

I sure hope they put some gas in my car and return it later though, I have to go get some JB WELD to repair my tractor so I can improve my land.
 
Rob Roy said:
No, I'm saying that it is difficult for me to assign original sin to a person based on the actions of their long dead ancestors.

I sure hope they put some gas in my car and return it later though, I have to go get some JB WELD to repair my tractor so I can improve my land.
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How is it hard for you to follow that logic? Multi-generational feuds between families are common even today. How long qualifies "long dead"? Time is relative, what you consider long is subjective. Are you saying we need a central authority to declare and enforce a statute of limitations?

Also, why did you bring up the identity of the party using offensive force?
 
londonfog said:
we also share 50% of our DNA with a banana, so are we half banana ?
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Finally! You're onto me.

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PCXV said:
How is it hard for you to follow that logic? Multi-generational feuds between families are common even today. How long qualifies "long dead"? Time is relative, what you consider long is subjective. Are you saying we need a central authority to declare and enforce a statute of limitations?

Also, why did you bring up the identity of the party using offensive force?
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I try to see people as individuals, so I have a hard time assigning your good deeds or bad deeds to your brother, great uncle or long dead ancestor.

A central authority which is coercion based would not appeal to me.
 
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londonfog said:
Sorry guy I'm indigent to the land. I seek restitution from others for the wrong that has been done to my ancestor and continues today. Now when will you seek to give back your land to the rightful owners.
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I'm guessing you meant indigenous rather than indigent ?

So your ancestors were beating laundry on rocks thousands of years ago to trade for some mammoths steaks , on the land where your present day laundromat sits?
 
Rob Roy said:
I try to see people as individuals, so I have a hard time assigning your good deeds or bad deeds to your brother, great uncle or long dead ancestor.

A central authority which is coercion based would not appeal to me.
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So you won't be using offensive force or calling on a central authority to get your home or car back if the theif sells your home or car to a third party or simple gives it go their children, their sibling, or their friend?
 
Rob Roy said:
I'm guessing you meant indigenous rather than indigent ?

So your ancestors were beating laundry on rocks thousands of years ago to trade for some mammoths steaks , on the land where your present day laundromat sits?
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yes native not poor. sorry

ummm we can just go back as far as the colonizing of the America by Europeans also including your West Indies
 
PCXV said:
So you won't be using offensive force or calling on a central authority to get your home or car back if the theif sells your home or car to a third party or simple gives it go their children, their sibling, or their friend?
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I am not a fan of calling police if that is what you mean. Recovering something which is mine from a thief, in the present day would be an application of defensive force on my part.

Recovering something today from the ancestor of somebody who stole from my long dead ancestor seems a bit more difficult though as it assigns guilt to a party who did not commit the theft. How would you proceed if you were going to do that and about how far back would you go ?

How do you separate the actions of other people long dead from the actions of people alive today ? Does that matter ?
 
londonfog said:
yes native not poor. sorry

ummm we can just go back as far as the colonizing of the America by Europeans also including your West Indies
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So, you are certain of your genetic ancestry ? IF, you had some long dead white ancestors from 150 years ago, are you responsible for their crimes?
Does "inherited guilt" only belong to one race or another ?
 
Rob Roy said:
I am not a fan of calling police if that is what you mean. Recovering something which is mine from a thief, in the present day would be an application of defensive force on my part.

Recovering something today from the ancestor of somebody who stole from my long dead ancestor seems a bit more difficult though as it assigns guilt to a party who did not commit the theft. How would you proceed if you were going to do that and about how far back would you go ?

How do you separate the actions of other people long dead from the actions of people alive today ? Does that matter ?
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You aren't recovering it from the theif. Stop moving the goal post. You said you don't think guilt is transferable from individual to another, so if the theif sold it to somebody else or gave it to a family member or friend, it follows that the new person would be using defensive force against you if you tried to take it back via offensive force.

In both instances of seperating individuals by time or transfer, both sides think they are using defensive force against the other.
 
PCXV said:
You aren't recovering it from the theif. Stop moving the goal post. You said you don't think guilt is transferable from individual to another, so if the theif sold it to somebody else or gave it to a family member or friend, it follows that the new person would be using defensive force against you if you tried to take it back via offensive force.

In both instances of seperating individuals by time or transfer, both sides think they are using defensive force against the other.
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Not moving the goal posts, trying to raise concerns about how a blanket plan to "restitute" people for the actions of long ago dead people might cause unintended consequences in the present.

I don't think guilt is transferable in the sense if your ancestor assaulted my ancestor that you owe me restitution or you should let me punch you in the stomach. You didn't punch me, your long dead ancestor assaulted my long dead ancestor, you never did anything to me though.

A stolen physical object, which is tangible, ie "property" and still exists today could be different though. Of course the question then becomes how do you adjudicate things which happened prior to the existence of anybody living today ? How would YOU do it ?.
 
Rob Roy said:
Both instances are examples of somebody forcibly taking away a persons right to self determine.

Could you do me a favor? Send Uncle Buck some cream for his sore nipples? I think his engorged man boobs might have been chafed by all his breast feeding. Thanks.
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my newborn baby does not have the right to self determine so i am making the decision to vaccinate instead you backwards racist poverty subsistence leach.
 
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