Got Pedro?

indicat33 said:

Thanks cat, I will take your advice then. I am a little apprehensive about this upcoming trip. Last time, I used (got down) about 12" and was really delirious (fucked up!) for like 11-12 hrs. Didn't get any "spiritual experience"- which is what I am after. Some have said I only got a very low dose of mescaline (100mg). These days, I am not interested in meaningless states of delirium, of simply getting "fucked up". I need an entheogenic experience. I will take everyone's advice and dose more this time. I had bad muscle spasms, shaking, and otherwise unpleasant body effects the whole 12 hrs. Will these negative effects go away with a higher dose (200-300mg)?

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mescaline does not produce that sort of body load. Yes, it is not as clean as other drugs but what you are describing doent sound right.

i agree with canndo, doesn't sound right... maybe there was pesticide on the cuts or something?

I have no idea guys. The cuts I will be working with are Brigdesii and from a different vendor. I never considered someone would sell cuttings sprayed with pesticides, but who knows-
Going to use 24" per cats' advice and plant the other per canndos'. That crazy delirium was not a fun experience, but I am not giving up yet.

indicat33 said:

I have no idea guys. The cuts I will be working with are Brigdesii and from a different vendor. I never considered someone would sell cuttings sprayed with pesticides, but who knows-
Going to use 24" per cats' advice and plant the other per canndos'. That crazy delirium was not a fun experience, but I am not giving up yet.

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You should stop and re-assess. Look, I know you really really want to gain some mescaline experience NOW. But you should look at things here.

Firstly, I have taken peyote many times. The plant has half a dozen or more psychoactives, some could be called delerients, though I couldn't really call them that having taken real delerients. But there is always a distance, a haze, a removal from the out front presence of the main drug. It tends to make one sick, but as I have said, even pure mescaline has that effect - but it does not last after a purge. I have had to force myself to purge on pure mescaline. It is most often cathartic and taking mescaline or peyote is one way to make peace with throwing up much like taking a dump is the best way to get out from under that mexican meal you ate the night before.

But mescaline itself is an out front, projection of presence - you are THERE, not behind a veil. I have only eaten the other cacti a very few times. I, like you I suppose, am not willing, even in the interest of this wonderful experience to pack myself full of green guck. I am old school, I have won "seconal biting contests". If you want bitter, try chewing a seconal. I have chugged kava suspended in water, opium poppies ground and suspended in water. Old school posits that if an experience is worth doing then it is worth putting up with foul tastes. If I want something that tastes good I'll go out and get a dungeness crab, some butter and a crust of sourdough.

But this is different. you have to eat far too much of this stuff, you have to pack it in and I am unwilling to do so.

Perhaps my new hero Curisoity can shed some light here, but i was under the impression that there were very few if any other psychoactives in the pedros. What you describe reminds me a bit of Dona Anna, a completely different sort of cactus coctail - but it isn't a columnar cactus, at least the stuff I ate.

Next, I don't think that any pesticide or insecticide would affect your perceptions in the way you describe. While some of these are neurotixins or excitotoxins and might cause nausea, tremors and facial muscle contractions, it takes a big hit of those chemicals and they probably wouldn't have caused the delerium sensations you describe.

Perhaps you have a cactus that does indeed have large amounts of things akin to muscarine or atrophine, something in the belladona collection of chemicals - but I do not know of this sort of thing in cacti - then again, I have not done much research in any of the alaloid contents of any but Peyote and that was a long time ago.

I am sorry to have to tell you this, but if you really want the sort of experience you seek, you are going to have to resort to extraordinary methods.

I don't know if you have been following my posts, but if you look up a thread called 9 gram sunday - or something like that, you could get a handle on what I was going through. I was taking higher and higher doses of mushrooms looking for something you are. What I learned was that a part of that level of experience involved the journey itself, the journey that takes place long before you ever ingest your substance.


Seems that it is likely that mescalito (or mescalita, as I see the "entity" as female), is already teaching you something. Only you can know but you may have been set upon a course.

So, with that in mind, consider a large dose of mushrooms, consider DMT/harmala, consider going through the process of extraction of the molecule you are after, or consider, somehow, peyote itself. Consider that it is possible that you will not gain the experience you seek with the molecule you wish until you have surrendered to it. Surrender, in this case may be simply waiting for your own to grow large enough for you to extract. It may be your tending to it's needs in order to get a cutting that is primed for you, that speaks to you, that is tended by you in order to have the maximum potential.

In short, perhaps your frustration, coupled with your intentions to take the shortcut of buying cuttings and doing simple reductions is the entheogenic universe trying to tell you something.

Consider also that this universe seems to have granted you, from out of the blue, at least one caring, learned and compassionate guide, perhaps even two, one from the cactus universe and another from that of the fungus world.

Oh, and if I sound like a stoned out hippy, if I sound like a UFO seeing freak, be aware that there is most likely no personality or mystical diety embodied in the cactus, nor, perhaps, even in the fungus (although the second point could easily be argued either way). HOWEVER, seeing existence through the concept that there really is spiritual power in plants and there really is such an entity as mescalita and humito does far more good than harm. It could also be that the ancients, who were more in tune with aspects of reality and extrareality than we, are on to something.

Considering that those brujos, shaman, mystics, those who have submitted to the conjunction of the second great universe and the gateways that reside in this one have been at it a very long time... one never knows.


(the second great universe. Our brains are, in fact the membrane between two infinite universes, one is the "real" outside of us and the other is the mind/conciousness/spirituality/imagination - the second great universe)

canndo again speaks truth. imo, with any entheogen, you have to give to receive; if you are only looking to get high, chances are the 'powers that be' won't choose to share with you. this is huge with mushrooms, and esp. cacti. i often refer to the spiritual powers of booms as 'the mushroom gods'... if you make them unhappy, they will make you unhappy. i was willing to wait the long term of growing lophs from seed, before learning of grafting, and before learning of trichs.

it is true, the trichs don't contain all the magic power of lophs. they do contain mesc, and if that's what you're looking for, you might be able to find someone with chocolate powder. if you're wanting the spiritual part, consider making the whole experience spiritual. plant your cuts, grow them for a bit. get to know them, love them. and when you sacrifice, thank them. you may get what you're looking for, and if not, it's still a step on a continuing journey.

i'm a hippie like that too canndo

Thank you for the insightful thoughts guys
As I mentioned, now days I seek deeper experiences instead of just a "buzz".
About 14 yrs ago I had my own terrarium full of flushing cubes. Since then,
have been on meds to aid with my bi-polar swings. It seems these meds impede
he action of Psilocybin/Psilocin. Before I was on the meds, I have eaten 7g Dry, and
had what I would describe as a Near-Death Experience. After being on the meds for a while,
5g dry would barely register. I enjoy growing enthogenic plants n general and I understand
the relationship formed. We're all on a journey here, and I fully believe in using natural remedies.

Wish I had some cacti to show.. my P.Torches got stolen about 4 yrs ago when they were 8" tall. Grown from seed, like these Lemon Kushes (Right) and Western Winds (Left) - All Fem Seeds... Let the season begin !

And I have had a very interesting UFO experience myself back in June 2010. Was completely sober and it was a sunny, cloudless day. Was bored at a red light and looked up in the sky. At first, I thought it was a parachute, high in the sky. I watched it for 20 seconds, but it did not descend or move at all. At this point, as I as about to question the parachute theory, it simply vanished. I shook it off, and drove another 300 yds. to my destination (to illegally throw out some trash). Behind said grocery store, still intrigued by my sighting, I kept studying the sky around me. I caught a glimpse of a silver disk (no wings, noise, or trail) flying due west over the shopping center in was in. It is just my experience, 4 yrs ago-

I forged a very intimate relationship with fungus about 40 years ago. Back then, I was a pioneer, no one really knew what they were doing, I had correspondences with the great Paul Stamets but still, I made my own way. I believe that this long term very intimate relationship was what brought me great power. As I look back I know now that I abused that power but because of the relationship I was not punished and not banished. Some of you know I was banished from the realm of LSD and I cannot return having ignored the warning the first time.

Mushrooms gave me physical powers that many now find almost unbelieveable. They were not simply powers over others (the part I abused just because could) but tremendous abilities to rock climb, hike long distances with heavy burdens, be content within myself in the wilderness, and even technical climb. But I cultivated them where ever I went and I have mentored many people in their use and many in further cultivation. Strangely, I was forbidden to ever sell them.

The cactus was not nearly such a harsh teacher, It, for me is not nearly so strict and it opens its arms to me in love and caring where the fungus would never, ever just bring me to a garden of wonder simply because I wanted to go there. IT makes the choice, not me and I would never be so foolish as to turn my back on it or take it lightly.

As was said, the mushroom will punish as easily as it will sooth, even when one is not directy within its domain.

Get familiar with the cactus, it is very forgiving, it grows on its own, you needn't coddle it and it is content without constant attention. I sometimes suspect that mushrooms are not of this world, and because they are not, they neither love nor hate us. Cactus is our brethren and because it is of this planet, it has a fondness for us. If you grow it, I think you will develop a fondness for it as well.

More old hippy rants. I do lament that it's little sister cannabis does not have any real love for me. I wish it did. People tend to forget because of pot's very generous nature that it as well is a gateway if used for that purpose. A shame more people don't see that.

off topic,you know it was gonna happen canndo..so did lsd banish you,or perhaps,you banished yourself from lsd,not wanting to learn its teachings? just an friends introspection...

and i also agree.the mushroom will either love you,or tie you up and pour gas on you..

I am making a tea tommorow . Going on a long road trip to Oregon this Washington . I like mescaline. Tea always makes me sick for a couple hours but its no big deal. I am taking chemistry over the summer and the last part of the course is A / B extraction . The I will make pills. I just need a lot if cactus but its. Good thing km in California.

yes it is! ..i get to help the wife thru a chem class this fall,and i myself will be starting pre for organic chem...easy,the college is across the street!

I did a simple iso-extraction on 56g P.Torch powder a month back. Got 7g of residue. Took 4 with no effects whatsoever. The x-traction was a breeze, hard to screw it up. Leads me to believe these cactus powders/ cuttings sold online are just fucking weak in alkaloids.

rory420420 said:

off topic,you know it was gonna happen canndo..so did lsd banish you,or perhaps,you banished yourself from lsd,not wanting to learn its teachings? just an friends introspection...

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When you hear a door slam shut, and you know who shut it, you tend to find other shelter. Believe me, this door was shut - twice, the second time resonates even now, some 35 years later. It wasn't me.

hey leary said it,ive said it..once you get the message,hang up the phone.

btw..you cant close the doors when the walls cave in...