giving defoliation during flower a try

Growerguy420

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Im always open to different feeding regimes. Ive stuck with this because its simple and it works. If theres a better one part nute Im game to try it. But check out Veg+Bloom that stuff is awesome.
Again, let me recommend jacks classic citrus feed. It's $9.99 for a 1.5 lb tub. One feed takes you through veg and bloom, no leaf loss whatsoever never any deficiencies. I use 1/2-1 tsp every watering. If people want to spend $100+ on canna specific nutrients that get the same result be my guest but UB and I certainly aren't buying into it.
 

Stompromper

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Actually veg+bloom is pretty cheap. I was hoping UB would go to the site and read its values and all of the extras in it and give an unbiased opinion.
 

Growerguy420

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At 8-5-13 The ratios are much better balanced than your gen hydroponics nutrients and with the high level of ca and mg and relatively low cost for 1 lb for $25 I would say that is a pretty well rounded nutrient although I suspect knowing the value of what UB and I typically like to run 20-10-20, he will probably still say to low of Nitrogen. I'm sure he will chime in shortly.

Here's the link to jacks citrus which seems to be the nute of choice for UB followers http://www.jrpeters.com/Products/Jack-s-Classic/Citrus-FeED.html
 

Uncle Ben

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Actually veg+bloom is pretty cheap. I was hoping UB would go to the site and read its values and all of the extras in it and give an unbiased opinion.
You call $20/lb. cheap? The high Ca seems way out of line too. http://www.hydroponic-research.com/our-products/#tab-2

Buy Dyna-Gro. It's a much better value.

How's $2.11/lb. shipped to your door? Quality is second to none. Just bought it......
http://www.amazon.com/77770-Petunia-Magnesium-Fertilizer-25-Pound/dp/B002HJGULU/ref=sr_1_cc_2?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1414760967&sr=1-2-catcorr&keywords=JR+Peters+Petunia+FeED
 

Uncle Ben

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Cannasutraorganics

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Looking good, but, you might even do better with another choice. Some of my best plants were done using off the shelf Walmart foods.
Let's talk cheap nutes. When you read it you need to look at water soluble and non soluble. Immediate use and released after further bio degrading. You keep leaving some stuff out.
 

Cannasutraorganics

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TheChemist77

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The answer to your question depends on a lot of factors. What's the strain/phenos resistance to stress? How is the general health of the plant? Also how often one prunes and how much they prune back can affect the plant. I think a safe rule of thumb for pruning (namely the fan leaves and what will becomes larfy popcorn) is to never remove more than 20% of the plant in a given session and giving plenty of time to recoup before the next pruning. In regards to defoliation and pruning vs. letting nature take it's course, one should look at the grape vine. It's best and most flavorful yields require more than proper nutrient and watering (or lack thereof) to be achieved, and the vine itself must be put under some demand to work the plant. If the vine was to simply "go to seed", aka reproduce itself through seed, the profile of the grape wouldn't matter, and obviously, letting nature take its course would be the preferred method. But for the purpose that we use grapes, the better crop is not grown without pruning and stress. This includes timing, putting a load on the plant to drive the roots deeper, pulling nutrients from deep down enhancing the flavor and preserving the vine in times of drought. Yes, before a naysayer says anything, it's apples to oranges (well, grapes to buds), but the example stands to show that not all is perfected by nature for secondary uses. If you go pulling healthy leaves during a flush, the plant will be pulling it's reserves from elsewhere. If you over-do the defol, it could shock the plant and delay the finish. No one can answer your question with 100% certainty, but lots of people do pull the leaves. Although, I'd keep searching the forums to see what others are doing and with picture evidence to backup their claims. I apologize if this isn't a good enough reply to your question.
thank you for the response sorry i didnt get back to you sooner
 

TheChemist77

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stomppromper,,,, nice fn colas. what was your dried weight after harvest?? how nany plants in how big of a space and how much light u using??
 
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Ok somhere we go the dreaded defoliation technique.. Defoliation works to a certain extent let me explain.. If you are running large plants in a scrog or sea of Green style grow then I recommend lollipopping the lower 1/3 of your plants to promote growth in the areas that are receiving the majority of your light and concentrate increased flower development and larger colas..while removing those unwanted Larfy budding sites that will drain your plant of vital energy under your canopy!!

Now with that being said DO NOT defoliate sativa dominant strains.. Sativas by nature are elongated meaning the have more stems and less foliar leaf structure by nature growing in low humidity high temperature regions of the world they don't need the large thick branching fan leaves required for respiration like indica dominant varieties..

It is important to understand why you should defoliate, how much and when.. It's only okay to defoliate larger inner fan leaves that are blocking flowering sites from receiving the light they need to promote flowering development.. The leaves are your solar panels and energy producing regions of your plant that also help your plants breathe and create the sugars and carbohydrates that drive your plants into growth and development... Would you want to cut a piece of your lung out or sever a section of your throat? The same reason you don't want to cut off the majority or partial amount of your leaves, it is okay to remove the sites and smaller lower flowering branches but leaving the leaf portion on the stem itself.. Hopefully that's not too confusing..

I have tried to defoliate all types of varieties have done numerous experiments on same varties in controlled climates and rooms and the defoliated plants always take longer to develop, you don't get the same growth or quality (resins sugars terpenes) from those plants which were simply stripped of lower flowering sites that are light deprived and taking energy away from the development of upper nodes and flowers..

The ONLY time you want to defoliate is 2 weeks or the last week before harvest when your plants have now turned yellow you are depleting the nitrogen and removing excess nutrients from your plants and flowers to promote taste and smell.. At this time you can defoliate 75-90% of all your fan leaves besides the main leaves that make up your colas which you will trim later on before they are dried and cured.. Taking these leaves off at this time will remove excess nutrient build up and create a natural flushing process while also stressing the plant a little to increase the resin production and terpenes that give your plants the smell funk and taste everyone is trying to achieve..

Try whatever you think will work but I promise you that unlike the cowpea or apple tree experiment you see online the plants we are pushing to promote growth size weight and yield do not react the same as those expirements making such claims as 30% more yield yada yada yada.. They simply are not true and also DO NOT forget that any idiot with internet access and a computer can make a website with someone else's pictures and tell you this works and do X-Y-Z but they are just lying.. Do your own HW make sure the information you read and people are credible.. good farming BOL.. Hope this helps everyone reading and trying to improve their yields and quality of life!! Cheers..

Also defoliating and those people making such claims are the same people telling you they got 2 lbs of flowers off their 600w new LED.. LED's are 3-5 years away from being capable of producing any results similar to a HID cando... hID are till King of the indoor jungles.. Another new product to look into are Rocket Plasma lighting.. You need to run 2 (900w) plasma per 1 HID's but you save double the money and can cover 4 times the amount of space.. A 900w rocket plasma runs 1 amp on a 240v circuit with a full spectrum bulb that is good for 20 years and never needs to be changed I will be doing some updates soon as the results from a couple runs are completed for accurate information!!
 

churchhaze

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Just making sure here, you're not claiming to be able to get 2lb with either 600W HPS or LED, right? I don't know anyone who can get 2lb off of a 600W of any type of lamp.

...the same people telling you they got 2 lbs of flowers off their 600w new LED.. LED's are 3-5 years away from being capable of producing any results similar to a HID cando... hID are till King of the indoor jungles..
 
No I'm saying that these led companies and people claim they are getting the same results of these 600-900w LEDs I get off my 1000w hid lamps which is 2 a light and it's all BS I have never seen an led light come close to even 1.5 on any unit they are making.. Best led I have ever seen in use is a black dog and a solar flare there biggest models only got under 1.5 per light not even close to compensate for hid only thing is heat but who cares that's why we got split units lol.. Just saying a lot of info and stuff people put online is garbage and warn people not to believe everything if almost anything people put online lots of false information from people anyone w a computer and internet can post non sense just tired of seeing all of it u know.. Cheers
 
600w hps The most I've pulled is 1.5 with a critical hog pheno I got using canna with no co2 in pro-mix/coco medium I used to run. 600w lamps are great especially if you're running a bunch of them. Rather have (6) 600's than (4) 1000w's
 

TheChemist77

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600w hps The most I've pulled is 1.5 with a critical hog pheno I got using canna with no co2 in pro-mix/coco medium I used to run. 600w lamps are great especially if you're running a bunch of them. Rather have (6) 600's than (4) 1000w's
im running critical hog now, have you noticed topped plants dont yield as much as untopped colas??
 

waterdawg

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"A 900w rocket plasma runs 1 amp on a 240v circuit with a full spectrum bulb that is good for 20 years and never needs to be changed"
Are you sure about this? You may want to check the specs again. 900 watts is 900 watts, 3.9 amps i believe but may be missing something here. If it uses a quarter of the power please explain. Or is it 900 equivalent watts? Also again I may be mistaken but I thought I had read 30000 hr lifespan? At 12 hrs a day thats still pretty impressive but not 20 years worth.
 

waterdawg

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Do I smell a sales person? It is a pretty impressive light non the less. Our town is replacing a few HID's with induction types so it'll be interesting in 5 years to compare costs!
 
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