(Generic Help Needed Thread)

[Jah348]

Hey guys I have 3 plants in a 20"x36" Apollo tent under 2x RW-75's. The two sour d on the ends were just repotted into 5gal buckets with General Organics 707 soil. I have a spider mite problem that I'm attempting to take care of via the crazy habanero pepper spray method. We'll see how that goes... I'm also using the General Organics Go Box for nutes, although haven't applied them to the new plants as they were just repotted into nutrient-rich soil. Here are some images of the tent and the plants.

https://imgur.com/a/YhsMh

 

[Quispp]

IDK what your questions is, but.....yikes!

 

[Dr. Who]

First pic is severe Ca def.
Next pic shows nutrient lock out problems (low P uptake).

I would do a water with a Ca/Mg product. pH the solution to 6.5 and water till you get a good flow through and stop.

Throw some crushed eggshells on the soil surface and work them in a bit, do not water again till dry.

You have long stems from low light power/lights to far away for your area.

Spider mites are BEST killed off by Forbid 4F (find small affordable amounts on ebay). This is not a poison per say, it is a lipid fat blocking agent that desicates (dries out) ALL stages of the mites growth, including egg.

 

[Jah348]

My bad, the question is why do the leaves look like death. I think that picture makes the plants seem far more stretchy and further away from the lights just due to the upward angle. They were put under the RW-75's this last friday so we'll see how well they adjust to more light. So far I've notice a lot of new growth. I need to get PH kit of some sort as soon as I can.

http://www.amazon.com/Forbid-4F-Miticide-Bottle/dp/B0075FE8LA -- That's a little insane....

 

[Dr. Who]

1st off. I said to try EBAY for small affordable amounts of the Forbid 4F. NOTHING else works ANY where NEAR as good, period !!!!!
Here is a good one available right now from this link.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Forbid-4F-Spiromesifen-Miticide-free-1-4-OZ-free-w-purchase-of-2-pipettes-/151434878097?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item234238dc91
ALWAYS BUY THE REAL THING AND NOT THE GENERIC !!!
As far as the 8oz price being insane. Well, you will use 6-8 DROPS to 1 gallon of water! The 8 oz bottle is for Farmers and it will cover HUGE amounts of acres. So in that context, no, the price is not really "insane".
Boom done.


With that said. Your leaves look like shit (I explained the problem in my first post).

Why? Is what your asking correct?

Because you watered/feed them with way out of whack pH valued water/feed solutions. I believe this to be the bulk of if not the reason for all your problems.

The Ca could be from what soil you used to start them(it didn't have any added).
Start your plants in a good quality (NO Miracle Grow products ever!) soil that is amended with dolomite lime to help balance the pH. I like Potters Gold or Dr. Earths potting soil. With those 2 you never have to feed them for 30 days!

In soil (good soils), if you treat it right - FORGET pHing it. If you pH the run off all you have is the pH of the run off. NOT the soil. A TRUE quality pH meter that works CORRECTLY for soil will be very costly!
Simply get a nice one for liquids and........

Always, and I mean ALWAYS, pH ALL ingoing MIXED or straight water to 6.5 and apply.

Now simply forget about pHing the soil and life will be good!

 

[green_machine_two9er]

Some good advice here. They do seem very thin and strentched. especially at the top 2/3s of the plants. you got some bushy stuff going on at the bottum then looks like vines almost, Ive seen stretching just not this severe. I would start trying some pruning during veg to get better shaped plants. and increase/lower light ALOT. and of course ph your soil, and feed those ladies!

Did you mean ROOTs ORganic 707 instead of General Organics 707. just never heard of the latter and to claryfy your post earlier if it is indeed ROOTS ORGANIC 707 is best used in conjunction with high quality nutrients. And that 707 has much higher water retention mainly used in outdoor grows. We want fast draining soil(in most cases) i always add extra perlight to my soilmixes. 707 basically takes most of it out. Ive never been a huge fan of Roots organic soils. the origanol is ok but alwys had bugs come with the bag. both require exra feedings

 

[Jah348]

Yes I did mean the Roots Organic, my mistake. I have the general organics go box, and thought they were actually the same brand. I had my doubts with 707. I had called the local store who and the women on the phone had said that she suggested cutting it some fairly significant amount with promix. When I arrived the man behind the counter had raved about how well it works, and that he finds great success from seedlings up. At this point I'm regretting buying it a bit.

The stretching looks far worse in the pictures than it does in person I assure you. While it is indeed a bit stretched I put it under the LED's last friday and since then I'm seeing loads of more foliage throughout. It began heavily on the lower portions as you can see, and I can now see new foliage sprouting every which corner.

Sorry about that Forbid 4F I didn't even consider looking at the size. 8oz surely is a hell of a lot more than I would need. I have to ask though: how toxic is that? I have this tent in my bedroom rather close to my bed, and I don't really want to be spraying some sort of terrible pesticide weekly. Of course I can bring it into the bathroom, wear the right precautions, keep the fan on etc. Either way it would have me relatively paranoid of the impact on health. Better safe than sorry....

anyways, do you guys suggest any particular PH meter? There's a pile of them on amazon but it's difficult to judge how well they actually work. I could also get the General Hydroponics kit: http://smile.amazon.com/General-Hydroponics-GH1514-Control-Kit/dp/B000BNKWZY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1412889664&sr=8-2&keywords=ph up


My plan as of now: ph test a gallon of water to 6.5, add gallon quantity of general organics CaMg, and pour into the two plants till they's a-drippin

 

[Dr. Who]

Not toxic. It is rated as a "caution" level insecticide.
It is an acid that blocks the fat or lipid use by the mites body. It dries them out.

Your plan is good.

Good luck

 

[Flagg420]

Forbid is like the tactical nuke of the mite world... there good pyrethrum foggers under that, weaker ones under that, and you got ur sprays.... 3in1, mighty wash, and azamax.

I tend to give a haircut if the infestation is bad, then spray, wait 2 days, spray a diff. spray. after another 2-3days a spray with either the 3in1 or some neem oil, this kills the mites, eggs that hatched after the first spplication, and leaves a preventative with the 3rd application.

If you fear they are infesting the tent area, seams, corners, equipment, fog it for step 1.


If u got the money, fuck it, nuke 'em. Spider mites are the devil...

 

[Drumfounded]

Hey man, I am a total noob but I recently dealt with a pretty bad spider mite infestation. After reading hundreds of pages of techniques and info on products I went with a very simple yet effective process. I picked up some stuff at my local hydro shop that was all natural. I can't remember the name but it came in a foil packet (liquid) and costs approx $9 per dose which will treat ten gallons. It's a product that goes into feeding and is taken up by the roots and put the smell and taste of rosemary on the leaves. The product was mainly rosemary oil/extract. The spider mites WILL NOT eat the plants with the taste of rosemary in the leaves. They end up killing themselves. Also, I saw lots of posts on soaking the plants once a day, every three days. I wanted to drown these fuckers for good so I soaked the plants twice a day for about two weeks. (They were in veg) after the two weeks of soaking and using the rosemary oil, I used mighty wash every other day, right after light off, for about a week. After three days they started to die out. After a week, they were completely gone. I just wanted to make sure thy stayed gone. Either way, NO harm to the plant and I think I spent about 50-60 bucks for everything. Like I said, I am a noon, but this was a simple and effective way to irradiate those little bastards. Hope this helps, good luck man!

 

[Jah348]

Sweet I'll be spraying them down tomorrow when i can comfortably bring them outside. I have 28oz spray bottle and that really small dropper. From what i gathered here and through a bit of google I hardly need more than a single drop.