General Cloning ?'s

I heard alot of differnt things, but what do you think?
can you keeping cloning from a clone?
will it degrade the plant?
can you clone without rooting hormones?
how long do you put it in water untill you put it in dirt?
do you reveg a clone or do you have to keep it in flower like the mother?
can a clone produce seeds if pollinated?

PS: sorry i asked soo many questions on one thread
im just new to cloning and i keep hearing ppl saying different things.

Caspernode said:

I heard alot of differnt things, but what do you think?
can you keeping cloning from a clone?

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...I take it you didn't see this movie....

Seedlings have hybrid vigor and under the right circumstances should yield more than a clone of it would. You can keep taking more cuttings from a clone, but over time it may become less resistant to pests. Best practice is to keep a mother plant for as long as you can, since you can keep it in veg and take cuttings from the same mother for a good while.

You don't absolutely need rooting hormone to get cuttings to root, but it is inexpensive and will result in roots under normal conditions much sooner. I prefer the rooting gels to the powders; and there are also rooting solutions sold (Earth Juice Rootstock, Olivia's). I usually use both and Rapid Rooters/rooting plugs.

You can take a cutting, make a 45* cut on the stem, put it in a glass of water in a humidity dome and it may show roots in a couple weeks. You still need to change the water out at least every other day. With rooting gel/solution and rooting plugs I generally have good root growth in 7-10 days. Some plants just tend to root quicker than others, in some cases much quicker. Growth is much better for cuttings in the rooter plugs as opposed to just in water. Once I see roots coming thru the plugs they go into plastic cups with soil.

Yes clones can produce seeds, many if not most seeds are produced this way and this is how they can produce a large number of seeds of a certain lineage.

First question answered,yes you can clone from a clone and no it will not degrade the plant since it has the same genetics as the mother plant
question 2 answered,yes you can clone without rooting hormones but your success rate will be much lower.
question 3 answered,alot of people do clone in water forst but since I clone directly into soil with a 98% success rate then my only advice for that one is try it,it can't hurt.
question 4 answered,I take my clones from a plant in veg so you should veg your clone until you get her to the size you want then put her to flower
question 5 answered,I don't do pollination so I can't answer that one for you.
Hope this helps.
Peace

Caspernode said:

I heard alot of differnt things, but what do you think?
can you keeping cloning from a clone?
will it degrade the plant?
can you clone without rooting hormones?
how long do you put it in water untill you put it in dirt?
do you reveg a clone or do you have to keep it in flower like the mother?
can a clone produce seeds if pollinated?

PS: sorry i asked soo many questions on one thread
im just new to cloning and i keep hearing ppl saying different things.

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I heard alot of differnt things, but what do you think?
can you keeping cloning from a clone?

All of our mothers are clones.

Will it degrade the plant?

No.

Can you clone without rooting hormones?

It can happen but with most mj you'll need a rooting harmone.

How long do you put it in water untill you put it in dirt?

Mj will not likely root like a vine and other plants in a container of water even though it has vine like qualities. The problem is it falls into the class of a semi-hardwood. After they are rooted they should be placed into the growing medium asap.

Do you reveg a clone or do you have to keep it in flower like the mother?

First, a mom is kept under 24 hour lighting and is never put into flower unless it's being decommissioned. A clone should already be in the veg state so there is no reason to reveg. If you're reveggin' you have seriously f*cked up. There is no reason to reveg any plant in a properly operated grow-op. You can veg your freshly rooted clones under 18L/6d or put them directly into 12/12 if you like.

Can a clone produce seeds if pollinated?

Yes.

Yes, a female clone will produce seeds if pollinated as long as its flowering. Four weeks into flowering is a good time for pollination.

did it occur to you that the questions you're asking might already have been asked, like maybe 20,000 times? ...so that maybe answers to those questions might be just as plentiful if you go looking?

...the more proactive you become with your education the faster you will learn.











very simple, inexpensive and extremely reliable cloning method

...there are several other methods if this one doesn't appeal, but don't wait for someone to hold your hand, go find your answers and to hell with the rest of us, ...this place could be a ghost town and the answers would still be here if you could only be motivated enough to go find them.

...and no doubt it'll seem harder to do it this way but it is way more satisfying and reliable.

good luck grasshopper, bozo

That got me thinking, an ice cube tray might make a good seed starter.

I'm going to try these http://www.miniinthebox.com/21-holes-ice-freeze-cube-plastic-body-silicone-bottom-tray-maker-mold-tool-random-color_p741270.html?currency=USD&litb_from=paid_adwords_shopping&pla_adwid=9286587055_138822423_9271419183_60578865183&gclid=CNSqnL3L87oCFeYWMgodFHoAsQ Seems like it would be good to pop them out from the bottom.

ProdigalSun said:

That got me thinking, an ice cube tray might make a good seed starter.

I'm going to try these http://www.miniinthebox.com/21-holes-ice-freeze-cube-plastic-body-silicone-bottom-tray-maker-mold-tool-random-color_p741270.html?currency=USD&litb_from=paid_adwords_shopping&pla_adwid=9286587055_138822423_9271419183_60578865183&gclid=CNSqnL3L87oCFeYWMgodFHoAsQ Seems like it would be good to pop them out from the bottom.

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i grow in coco hempy buckets so i sow my beans directly into 9oz cups of coco, note that i use a second cup as a temporary humidity dome which is removed as soon as the seedling emerges.





peace, bozo

ok, im glad i havent flowered her yet, thanks everyone for your amazing help, yes i know these questions have been asked before,
but alot of ppl were going back and forth and when someone said one thing, the other said the opposite.
Also 2 bonus ?'s if you dont mind,
I have a plant that split into two without topping it, is that normal?
i think i should breed them, for some seeds. i know this can be random,
but out of three plants would i have a decent chance of having 1 male and 1 female?
(i ask this because some plants have a more dominant gender)

PS: nice looking plants [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]guys[/FONT]

justanotherbozo said:

i grow in coco hempy buckets so i sow my beans directly into 9oz cups of coco, note that i use a second cup as a temporary humidity dome which is removed as soon as the seedling emerges.

peace, bozo

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Damn yo, that sh*t looks all neat and scientific & sh*t.... a person of my own ilk...+rep just for the pics...he he

you have some great info . just want to add some thing . if you clone from a clone . the baby clone more then likely will be almost the same. but if you grow the baby clone then clone from it then repeat the process you DO lose the genetics of the plant . it will start to get a high leaf to bud ratio . lower thc . not as strong. some times if it get very far away it will not produce much yield only bunch of leaves very weak buds . my advice is to keep the mother plant the plant from seed. never flower it . cut clones from the mother plant. and you will have the best genetics for ever . you can keep the mom for as long as you like, I know some body that has the same plant in veg for over 10 years. I bet it gets tired of getting cut up lol . my advice is from a proven fact . after about 3 different clone changes you will notice a major difference I the final product

Yeah, you should put up some pics when they get big, id love to see how those turn out!

wow, 10 years? thats incredible, yeah imma do that, now im glad i set up a clone space, ill probly cut a clone about a week or two, there branching out but they only got 3 smaller leaves,
i cut it at 45 degree angle from the node right? like where the branch meets the main stem?

JohnnySocko said:

Damn yo, that sh*t looks all neat and scientific & sh*t.... a person of my own ilk...+rep just for the pics...he he

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thanks man, if you're interested, here is a link to the build where you will see i used a cheap little cabinet that is sold as 'dorm room furniture' as the base for this cab but i made some pretty substantial modifications. ...btw, this is my cloning and seed start cab and it works like a charm and has done since i finished it and turned it on back in July of 2010.

my micro cloning factory...PL-L's and Walmart cloners doing the job!

btw, if you dug that cab you'll probably dig this one too which is my motherbox that i built back in 2007 or 2008, i forget, ...anyway, it holds 21 mothers in 2 liter coke bottle 'pots'.

kinddiesel said:

you have some great info . just want to add some thing . if you clone from a clone . the baby clone more then likely will be almost the same. but if you grow the baby clone then clone from it then repeat the process you DO lose the genetics of the plant . it will start to get a high leaf to bud ratio . lower thc . not as strong. some times if it get very far away it will not produce much yield only bunch of leaves very weak buds . my advice is to keep the mother plant the plant from seed. never flower it . cut clones from the mother plant. and you will have the best genetics for ever . you can keep the mom for as long as you like, I know some body that has the same plant in veg for over 10 years. I bet it gets tired of getting cut up lol . my advice is from a proven fact . after about 3 different clone changes you will notice a major difference I the final product

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...yeah, this has NOT been my experience, i have several flavors that have been in my collection for years and all are clones of clones of clones of clones of clones, etc, etc, etc, and none have shown ANY signs of degradation, ...if you take clones from re-vegged plants maybe, or if you take cuts from unhealthy plants maybe but with healthy plants i think the odds are very heavy against this being a problem.

peace, bozo

Ive been cloning from clones for a few years with no problem. Altho instead of rooting hormone i use honey. Works great, roots in less than 8 days usually.

Nullis wrote: Seedlings have hybrid vigor

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...but Nullis, isn't that true only if the seed is an F1 hybrid? In other words...no real advantage if running a stable IBL.

I have heard that seeds do better then clones outdoors due to the taproot which clones lack.

I also seem to recall reading that replicant fading can occur when cloning from clone over 25 times. Old article from years ago though...so no current source on that.
JD

Caspernode said:

I heard alot of differnt things, but what do you think?
can you keeping cloning from a clone? in short yes
will it degrade the plant? no but eventually you will have different genetics
can you clone without rooting hormones? I do because the plant makes its own
how long do you put it in water untill you put it in dirt? no soil...aerocloner
do you reveg a clone or do you have to keep it in flower like the mother? either way works
can a clone produce seeds if pollinated? of course you only need a male pollinator

PS: sorry i asked soo many questions on one thread no prob
im just new to cloning and i keep hearing ppl saying different things.

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......see above

JohnDee said:

...but Nullis, isn't that true only if the seed is an F1 hybrid? In other words...no real advantage if running a stable IBL.

I have heard that seeds do better then clones outdoors due to the taproot which clones lack.

I also seem to recall reading that replicant fading can occur when cloning from clone over 25 times. Old article from years ago though...so no current source on that.
JD

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Probably not only true of F1 hybrids, but likely they'll possess heterosis to a more significant degree. The more distinct/different the parents are, the greater the tendency for hybrid vigor (the more truly hybridized they actually are), compared to a thoroughly inbred/homogenized gene pool.

Clones will tend to loose vigor the more they are cloned, and yes of course it depends how vigorous the initial mother plant was in the first place. Say you took two clones, a male and a female from a long history of clones, and you crossed them. The offspring will most likely be more vigorous than the parents.

Even clones are not necessarily genetically identical. A small degree of genetic mutation can occur in cuttings and even clones can adapt to new environments in different ways, genetically or epigenetically.

Nullis,
Thanks, makes sense. So another hypothetical. A landrace indica and landrace sativa are crossed...so maximum hybrid vigor. Grow out a female and clone it. Plant the clone and right next door, plant a seed (we'll assume a female) from the original f1 cross. This is where my question lies.

Would the seed still have an advantage over the clone? I'm thinking no...since the clone should be nearly identical to the original F1 genetics...thus retaining the hybrid vigor? Correctomundo...or thumbs down?
JD