Fukushima, No Cause for Alarm

I think they should just send it all to the moon.

Sure fuck it, the moon is shitty (no weed, no liquor) and (half) glows in the dark anyways.

Harrekin said:

I think they should just send it all to the moon.

Sure fuck it, the moon is shitty (no weed, no liquor) and (half) glows in the dark anyways.

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Yeah, but it is already a heritage site. And no one wants to launch it. No one wants to bury it. And no one wants it transported.

So, it remains on site for natural disaster to poison the planet and collapse the food chains.

That is what AGW will not do. There isn't any.

Harrekin said:

I think they should just send it all to the moon.

Sure fuck it, the moon is shitty (no weed, no liquor) and (half) glows in the dark anyways.

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much better to burn it off as useable power


rockets have a tendancy to blow up too......

yeah, it's posting to itself
posting to itself
well there's nothing to lose
and there's nothing to prove
it be posting to itself

ginjawarrior said:

nuclear is the cleanest/ least enviromental impact power source we have


its just some people are shit scared of what they dont understand

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Wrong. Completely. Hemp based fuels are.

Doer said:

But, they do just keep going, these mantle breeches. And don't morph it to say, I expect the Syndrome out of Fuk. I don't. But, if was able to get a plume connected the mantle, then that is it. It is more or less a permanent feature in the crust.

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The Yellowstone magma chamber is something special. It is rhyolitic ... viscous siliceous goo pressurized with steam and carbon dioxide ... think very warm soda. If it is depressurized, there is a large fountain of ash.

A hot mass, such as a runaway reactor core, will be tunneling into isostatic material ... no tendency to either suck or spew material. And as it tunnels, it'll disperse into the rock like a smoke plume, quenching the nuclear reaction. You'll have a small volume of radioactive but essentially captive rock buried however deep.

Did I post this link yet?

There are people who actually study the effects of corium flows ! Using a ton of Uranium Dioxide at a time, even!

http://www.ne.anl.gov/capabilities/rsta/cci/#fragment-4

OGEvilgenius said:

Wrong. Completely. Hemp based fuels are.

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Hemp based fuels release ALOT of CO2, because there's all that carbon that they've absorbed still inside them...which is used as fuel

Harrekin said:

Hemp based fuels release ALOT of CO2, because there's all that carbon that they've absorbed still inside them...which is used as fuel

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Absorb a lot too. I have a feeling you're being a joker though I am not always good at being able to tell.

OGEvilgenius said:

Absorb a lot too. I have a feeling you're being a joker though I am not always good at being able to tell.

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Hemp based fuel cannot supply the energy needed to supply the baseload needed

OGEvilgenius said:

Absorb a lot too. I have a feeling you're being a joker though I am not always good at being able to tell.

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But there's no point in that carbon being absorbed only to be released again when it's burnt...

Harrekin said:

But there's no point in that carbon being absorbed only to be released again when it's burnt...

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There is some point if it is off setting carbon that would have been taken from the ground for energy

If we could supply our entire energy needs from what we grow then co2 wouldn't increase

However it is a pipe dream our energy needs are too great

It's not a pipe dream. It's been demostrated extremely feasible without impacting food production (in labs). Except hemp is the only crop that's truly viable for dedicated energy production. It produces approximately 10 tonnes of biomass per acre every 90-120 days. Nothing else is in the ball park in terms of biomass production.

It's been estimated as little as 6% of US agricultural lands could produce enough (these estimates are based on lab data and actual energy consumption of the era) energy to supply the entire country (ref: Environmental Chemistry, (4th edition), Stanley E. Manahan, P.W.S. Publishers, Boston, MA, 1979). Minus all the nasty sulfur too. Even if that number no longer holds and is double, that still leaves 3% of US agricultural lands laying fallow (as 15% are fallow at any given time via government incentive).

OGEvilgenius said:

It's not a pipe dream. It's been demostrated extremely feasible without impacting food production (in labs). Except hemp is the only crop that's truly viable for dedicated energy production. It produces approximately 10 tonnes of biomass per acre every 90-120 days. Nothing else is in the ball park in terms of biomass production.

It's been estimated as little as 6% of US agricultural lands could produce enough (these estimates are based on lab data and actual energy consumption of the era) energy to supply the entire country (ref: Environmental Chemistry, (4th edition), Stanley E. Manahan, P.W.S. Publishers, Boston, MA, 1979). Minus all the nasty sulfur too. Even if that number no longer holds and is double, that still leaves 3% of US agricultural lands laying fallow (as 15% are fallow at any given time via government incentive).

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So, do you mean like switchgrass ethanol? What do you mean energy production? I got lost. Absorbing radiowaste and then to producing energy.

ginjawarrior said:

There is some point if it is off setting carbon that would have been taken from the ground for energy

If we could supply our entire energy needs from what we grow then co2 wouldn't increase

However it is a pipe dream our energy needs are too great

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It's still just taking carbon from one source instead of another, no point saying you'll quit the drink but youre allowed to drink vodka...

Harrekin said:

It's still just taking carbon from one source instead of another, no point saying you'll quit the drink but youre allowed to drink vodka...

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Hey?@! What you mean? Vodka is clear. It doesn't count. That doesn't mean I'm a drunk. TAKE IT BACK!!!

All this released material ADDS UP. It is not like hydrocarbon which dissipates. We release this material all the time and it only takes an extra 15% of flux above background to get to UN-inhabitable.

At least 50 accidents in the USA alone. Did anyone know that? We release 1000 year gamma emmiters all the time. Just 2 weeks ago at Susquehanna. But, they act like it is better that hydrocarbon. But, unlike the HCOx and NOx, this stuff ALL ADDS UP. Dangerous for a 1000 years or much much more. We release these gamma death ray sources and say so what! "Harmlessly into the atmosphere..." NO WAY, NEVER GOES AWAY.

This is how many killed....Zero and how much money... a lot in millions. But, not how MUCH RELEASE. And it all ADDS UP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_power_accidents_by_country
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[TD]February 1, 2010[/TD]
[TD]Montpelier, Vermont, US[/TD]
[TD]Deteriorating underground pipes from the Vermont Yankee Nuclear Power Plant leak radioactive tritium into groundwater supplies[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]700[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]January 7, 2010[/TD]
[TD]Buchanan, New York, USA[/TD]
[TD]NRC inspectors reported that an estimated 600,000 gallons of mildly radioactive steam was intentionally vented after an automatic shutdown of Indian Point Energy Center Unit 2. The levels of tritium in the steam were below those allowable by NRC safety standards.[SUP][25][/SUP][/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]March 6, 2006[/TD]
[TD]Erwin, Tennessee, USA[/TD]
[TD]Nuclear fuel services plant spills 35 litres of highly enriched uranium, necessitating 7-month shutdown[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]98[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]August 4, 2005[/TD]
[TD]Buchanan, New York, USA[/TD]
[TD]Entergy’s Indian Point Energy Center Nuclear Plant leaks tritium and strontium into underground lakes from 1974 to 2005[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]30[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]June 16, 2005[/TD]
[TD]Braidwood, Illinois, USA[/TD]
[TD]Exelon’s Braidwood nuclear station leaks tritium and contaminates local water supplies[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]41[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]January 15, 2003[/TD]
[TD]Bridgman, Michigan, USA[/TD]
[TD]A fault in the main transformer at the Donald C. Cook nuclear power plant causes a fire that damages the main generator and back-up turbines[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]February 16, 2002[/TD]
[TD]Oak Harbor, Ohio, US[/TD]
[TD]Severe corrosion of control rod forces 24-month outage of Davis-Besse reactor[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]143[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]September 29, 1999[/TD]
[TD]Lower Alloways Creek, New Jersey, USA[/TD]
[TD]Major Freon leak at Hope Creek Nuclear Facility causes ventilation train chiller to trip, releasing toxic gas and damaging the colling system[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]May 25, 1999[/TD]
[TD]Waterford, Connecticut, USA[/TD]
[TD]Steam leak in feed-water heater causes manual shutdown and damage to control board annunicator at the Millstone Nuclear Power Plant[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]September 9, 1997[/TD]
[TD]Bridgman, Michigan, USA[/TD]
[TD]Ice condenser containment systems fail at Cook Units 1 and 2[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]September 20, 1996[/TD]
[TD]Senaca, Illinois, USA[/TD]
[TD]Service water system fails and results in closure of LaSalle Units 1 and 2 for more than 2 years[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]71[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]September 5, 1996[/TD]
[TD]Clinton, Illinois, USA[/TD]
[TD]Reactor recirculation pump fails, prompting shut down of Clinton boiling water reactor[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]38[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]September 2, 1996[/TD]
[TD]Crystal River, Florida, US[/TD]
[TD]Balance-of-plant equipment malfunction forces shutdown and extensive repairs at Crystal River Unit 3[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]384[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]February 20, 1996[/TD]
[TD]Waterford, Connecticut, US[/TD]
[TD]Leaking valve forces shutdown Millstone Nuclear Power Plant Units 1 and 2, multiple equipment failures found[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]254[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]May 16, 1995[/TD]
[TD]Salem, New Jersey, USA[/TD]
[TD]Ventilation systems fail at Salem Units 1 and 2[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]34[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]14 January 1995[/TD]
[TD]Wiscasset, Maine, USA[/TD]
[TD]Steam generator tubes unexpectedly crack at Maine Yankee nuclear reactor; shut down of the facility for a year[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]62[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]December 25, 1993[/TD]
[TD]Newport, Michigan, USA[/TD]
[TD]Shut down of Fermi Unit 2 after main turbine experienced major failure due to improper maintenance[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]67[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]March 2, 1993[/TD]
[TD]Soddy-Daisy, Tennessee, USA[/TD]
[TD]Equipment failures and broken pipes cause shut down of Sequoyah Unit 1[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]February 27, 1993[/TD]
[TD]Buchanan, New York, USA[/TD]
[TD]New York Power Authority shuts down Indian Point Energy Center Unit 3 after AMSAC system fails[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]February 3, 1993[/TD]
[TD]Bay City, Texas, USA[/TD]
[TD]Auxiliary feed-water pumps fail at South Texas Project Units 1 and 2, prompting rapid shutdown of both reactors[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]April 21, 1992[/TD]
[TD]Southport, North Carolina, USA[/TD]
[TD]NRC forces shut down of Brunswick Units 1 and 2 after emergency diesel generators fail[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]November 17, 1991[/TD]
[TD]Scriba, New York, USA[/TD]
[TD]Safety and fire problems force shut down of the FitzPatrick nuclear reactor for 13 months[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]March 17, 1989[/TD]
[TD]Lusby, Maryland, US[/TD]
[TD]Inspections at Calvert Cliff Units 1 and 2 reveal cracks at pressurized heater sleeves, forcing extended shutdowns[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]120[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]March 5, 1989[/TD]
[TD]Tonopah, Arizona, USA[/TD]
[TD]Atmospheric dump valves fail at Palo Verde Unit 1, leading to main transformer fire and emergency shutdown[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]September 10, 1988[/TD]
[TD]Surry, Virginia, USA[/TD]
[TD]Refuelling cavity seal fails and destroys internal pipe system at Surry Unit 2, forcing 12-month outage[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]December 19, 1987[/TD]
[TD]Lycoming, New York, US[/TD]
[TD]Malfunctions force Niagara Mohawk Power Corporation to shut down Nine Mile Point Unit 1[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]150[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]March 31, 1987[/TD]
[TD]Delta, Pennsylvania, US[/TD]
[TD]Peach Bottom units 2 and 3 shutdown due to cooling malfunctions and unexplained equipment problems[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]400[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]April 11, 1986[/TD]
[TD]Plymouth, Massachusetts, US[/TD]
[TD]Recurring equipment problems force emergency shutdown of Boston Edison’s Pilgrim Nuclear Power Plant[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]1,001[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]March 9, 1985[/TD]
[TD]Athens, Alabama, US[/TD]
[TD]Instrumentation systems malfunction during start-up, which led to suspension of operations at all three Browns Ferry Units[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]1,830[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]September 15, 1984[/TD]
[TD]Athens, Alabama, US[/TD]
[TD]Safety violations, operator error, and design problems force six year outage at Browns Ferry Unit 2[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]110[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]February 26, 1983[/TD]
[TD]Fort Pierce, Florida, USA[/TD]
[TD]Damaged thermal shield and core barrel support at St Lucie Unit 1, necessitating 13-month shutdown[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]54[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]February 12, 1983[/TD]
[TD]Fork River, New Jersey, USA[/TD]
[TD]Oyster Creek Nuclear Power Plant fails safety inspection, forced to shut down for repairs[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]32[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]June 18, 1982[/TD]
[TD]Senaca, South Carolina, USA[/TD]
[TD]Feedwater heat extraction line fails at Oconee 2 Pressurised Water Reactor, damaging thermal cooling system[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]March 25, 1982[/TD]
[TD]Buchanan, New York, USA[/TD]
[TD]Damage to steam generator tubes and main generator resulting in a shut down Indian Point Energy Center Unit 3 for more than a year[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]56[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]March 20, 1982[/TD]
[TD]Lycoming, New York, USA[/TD]
[TD]Recirculation system piping fails at Nine Mile Point Unit 1, forcing two year shutdown[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]45[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]October 17, 1981[/TD]
[TD]Buchanan, New York, USA[/TD]
[TD]100,000 gallons of Hudson River water leaked into the Indian Point Energy Center Unit 2 containment building from the fan cooling unit, undetected by a safety device designed to detect hot water. The flooding, covering the first 9 feet of the reactor vessel, was discovered when technicians entered the building. Two pumps which should have removed the water were found to be inoperative. NRC proposed a $210,000 fine for the incident.[SUP][24][/SUP][/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]-[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]March 28, 1979[/TD]
[TD]Middletown, Pennsylvania, US[/TD]
[TD]Loss of coolant and partial core meltdown, see Three Mile Island accident and Three Mile Island accident health effects[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]2,400[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]February 4, 1979[/TD]
[TD]Surry, Virginia, USA[/TD]
[TD]Surry Unit 2 shut down in response to failing tube bundles in steam generators[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]June 10, 1977[/TD]
[TD]Waterford, Connecticut, USA[/TD]
[TD]Hydrogen gas explosion damages three buildings and forces shutdown of Millstone-1 Pressurized Water Reactor[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]November 5, 1975[/TD]
[TD]Brownsville, Nebraska, USA[/TD]
[TD]Hydrogen gas explosion damages the Cooper Nuclear Facility’s Boiling Water Reactor and an auxiliary building[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]March 22, 1975[/TD]
[TD]Browns Ferry, Alabama, USA[/TD]
[TD]Fire burns for seven hours and damages more than 1600 control cables for three nuclear reactors at Browns Ferry, disabling core cooling systems[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]240[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]August 11, 1973[/TD]
[TD]Palisades, Michigan, USA[/TD]
[TD]Steam generator leak causes manual shutdown of pressurized water reactor[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]October 5, 1966[/TD]
[TD]Monroe, Michigan, USA[/TD]
[TD]Sodium cooling system malfunctions at Enrico Fermi demonstration breeder reactor causing partial core meltdown[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]19[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]January 3, 1961[/TD]
[TD]Idaho Falls, Idaho, US[/TD]
[TD]Explosion at National Reactor Testing Station's SL-1 Stationary Low-Power Reactor Number One[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]22[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]July 26, 1959[/TD]
[TD]Simi Valley, California, USA[/TD]
[TD]Partial core meltdown at Santa Susana Field Laboratory’s Sodium Reactor Experiment[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]32[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]November 29, 1955[/TD]
[TD]Idaho Falls, Idaho, US[/TD]
[TD]Power excursion with partial core meltdown at National Reactor Testing Station's EBR-1 Experimental Breeder Reactor I[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[/TR]
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Doer said:

I wouldn't go that far. I live 3 days away on the Jet Stream. We had house parts and other tidal debris show up here within 2 months.

The world doesn't end in extinction events. It just keeps on spinning.

It is funny for the AGW side that they claim that Man can kill the climate when we cannot.

And they claim that Nuke Power won't poison the planet, but it already is.

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bwahh . . . .

OK, they floated here....not on the jet stream......the house parts.

Harrekin said:

It's still just taking carbon from one source instead of another, no point saying you'll quit the drink but youre allowed to drink vodka...

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don't you understand the carbon cycle?

or the difference between taking carbon from air and returning it to air and taking carbon from the ground and releasing into the air?

Those 2 things are totally the same right?