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PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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hanimmal said:
Once, how many times out of that one was it actually there?

Same with your dog, how many times did she eat the food?

If you did the statistics on it, was it an anomaly that those assumptions were not met? Of course, and when those occasions occur it warrants looking closer to find out why. That is the power of statistics.

For example, if the statistics on all available data tell us that 98+% of all hospitals were filling up with unvaccinated people if you came across a hospital claiming say 70% of the patients in for cover were unvaccinated you might want to look closer. And chances are it would be something like it being a childrens hospital, or a area were it was something unlikely like a area with almost everyone vaccinated.

That is the stupidity of your trolling.

You pretending like you know something because you are trolling so hard to sell the death cult nonsensical spam is pretty sad man. But I am sure you impress the shit out of your kids.
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The statistics on "all available data" don't show that. Don't take it from me, listen to what Israel's Prime Minister told his population recently:

 
Three Berries

Three Berries

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hanimmal said:
Nah, I will listen to American medical professionals thank you though.
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The ones who violate their Hippocratic oath?


Hippocratic Oath: One of the oldest binding documents in history, the Oath written by Hippocrates is still held sacred by physicians: to treat the ill to the best of one's ability, to preserve a patient's privacy, to teach the secrets of medicine to the next generation, and so on.

There are many versions of the Hippocratic Oath. We here present two versions. First, the "classic" version (or more precisely, one translation of the original oath). And then, following it, is presented one of the fine "modern" versions of the Hippocratic Oath.

Classic Version of the Hippocratic Oath

I swear by Apollo Physician and Asclepius and Hygieia and Panaceia and all the gods and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will fulfil according to my ability and judgment this oath and this covenant:

To hold him who has taught me this art as equal to my parents and to live my life in partnership with him, and if he is in need of money to give him a share of mine, and to regard his offspring as equal to my brothers in male lineage and to teach them this art - if they desire to learn it - without fee and covenant; to give a share of precepts and oral instruction and all the other learning to my sons and to the sons of him who has instructed me and to pupils who have signed the covenant and have taken an oath according to the medical law, but no one else.

I will apply dietetic measures for the benefit of the sick according to my ability and judgment; I will keep them from harm and injustice.

I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art.

I will not use the knife, not even on sufferers from stone, but will withdraw in favor of such men as are engaged in this work.

Whatever houses I may visit, I will come for the benefit of the sick, remaining free of all intentional injustice, of all mischief and in particular of sexual relations with both female and male persons, be they free or slaves.

What I may see or hear in the course of the treatment or even outside of the treatment in regard to the life of men, which on no account one must spread abroad, I will keep to myself, holding such things shameful to be spoken about.

If I fulfil this oath and do not violate it, may it be granted to me to enjoy life and art, being honored with fame among all men for all time to come; if I transgress it and swear falsely, may the opposite of all this be my lot.

A Modern Version of the Hippocratic Oath

I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:

I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.

I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures which are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.

I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug.

I will not be ashamed to say "I know not," nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery.

I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.

I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.

I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.

If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.

The classical version of the Hippocratic Oath is from the translation from the Greek by Ludwig Edelstein. From The Hippocratic Oath: Text, Translation, and Interpretation, by Ludwig Edelstein. Baltimore: Johns Hopkins Press, 1943.

The modern version of the Hippocratic Oath was written in 1964 by Louis Lasagna, Dean of the School of Medicine at Tufts University.

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hanimmal

hanimmal

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Three Berries said:
The ones who violate their Hippocratic oath?


Hippocratic Oath: One of the oldest binding documents in history, the Oath written by Hippocrates is still held sacred by physicians: to treat the ill to the best of one's ability, to preserve a patient's privacy, to teach the secrets of medicine to the next generation, and so on.

There are many versions of the Hippocratic Oath. We here present two versions. First, the "classic" version (or more precisely, one translation of the original oath). And then, following it, is presented one of the fine "modern" versions of the Hippocratic Oath.

Classic Version of the Hippocratic Oath

I swear by Apollo Physician and Asclepius and Hygieia and Panaceia and all the gods and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will fulfil according to my ability and judgment this oath and this covenant:

To hold him who has taught me this art as equal to my parents and to live my life in partnership with him, and if he is in need of money to give him a share of mine, and to regard his offspring as equal to my brothers in male lineage and to teach them this art - if they desire to learn it - without fee and covenant; to give a share of precepts and oral instruction and all the other learning to my sons and to the sons of him who has instructed me and to pupils who have signed the covenant and have taken an oath according to the medical law, but no one else.

I will apply dietetic measures for the benefit of the sick according to my ability and judgment; I will keep them from harm and injustice.

I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art.

I will not use the knife, not even on sufferers from stone, but will withdraw in favor of such men as are engaged in this work.

Whatever houses I may visit, I will come for the benefit of the sick, remaining free of all intentional injustice, of all mischief and in particular of sexual relations with both female and male persons, be they free or slaves.

What I may see or hear in the course of the treatment or even outside of the treatment in regard to the life of men, which on no account one must spread abroad, I will keep to myself, holding such things shameful to be spoken about.

If I fulfil this oath and do not violate it, may it be granted to me to enjoy life and art, being honored with fame among all men for all time to come; if I transgress it and swear falsely, may the opposite of all this be my lot.

A Modern Version of the Hippocratic Oath

I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:

I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.

I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures which are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.

I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug.

I will not be ashamed to say "I know not," nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery.

I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.

I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.

I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.

If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.

The classical version of the Hippocratic Oath is from the translation from the Greek by Ludwig Edelstein. From The Hippocratic Oath: Text, Translation, and Interpretation, by Ludwig Edelstein. Baltimore: Johns Hopkins Press, 1943.

The modern version of the Hippocratic Oath was written in 1964 by Louis Lasagna, Dean of the School of Medicine at Tufts University.

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UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Three Berries said:
The ones who violate their Hippocratic oath?


Hippocratic Oath: One of the oldest binding documents in history, the Oath written by Hippocrates is still held sacred by physicians: to treat the ill to the best of one's ability, to preserve a patient's privacy, to teach the secrets of medicine to the next generation, and so on.

There are many versions of the Hippocratic Oath. We here present two versions. First, the "classic" version (or more precisely, one translation of the original oath). And then, following it, is presented one of the fine "modern" versions of the Hippocratic Oath.

Classic Version of the Hippocratic Oath

I swear by Apollo Physician and Asclepius and Hygieia and Panaceia and all the gods and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will fulfil according to my ability and judgment this oath and this covenant:

To hold him who has taught me this art as equal to my parents and to live my life in partnership with him, and if he is in need of money to give him a share of mine, and to regard his offspring as equal to my brothers in male lineage and to teach them this art - if they desire to learn it - without fee and covenant; to give a share of precepts and oral instruction and all the other learning to my sons and to the sons of him who has instructed me and to pupils who have signed the covenant and have taken an oath according to the medical law, but no one else.

I will apply dietetic measures for the benefit of the sick according to my ability and judgment; I will keep them from harm and injustice.

I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art.

I will not use the knife, not even on sufferers from stone, but will withdraw in favor of such men as are engaged in this work.

Whatever houses I may visit, I will come for the benefit of the sick, remaining free of all intentional injustice, of all mischief and in particular of sexual relations with both female and male persons, be they free or slaves.

What I may see or hear in the course of the treatment or even outside of the treatment in regard to the life of men, which on no account one must spread abroad, I will keep to myself, holding such things shameful to be spoken about.

If I fulfil this oath and do not violate it, may it be granted to me to enjoy life and art, being honored with fame among all men for all time to come; if I transgress it and swear falsely, may the opposite of all this be my lot.

A Modern Version of the Hippocratic Oath

I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:

I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.

I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures which are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.

I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug.

I will not be ashamed to say "I know not," nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery.

I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.

I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.

I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.

If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.

The classical version of the Hippocratic Oath is from the translation from the Greek by Ludwig Edelstein. From The Hippocratic Oath: Text, Translation, and Interpretation, by Ludwig Edelstein. Baltimore: Johns Hopkins Press, 1943.

The modern version of the Hippocratic Oath was written in 1964 by Louis Lasagna, Dean of the School of Medicine at Tufts University.

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Dont get mad that they wont treat unvaccinated rats like you

Have the courage of your convictions and never seek medical help
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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mooray said:
More organized redneck data is better than disorganized redneck data? What did you think of the PA info I posted?
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I think the PA data you posted is completely irrelevant, since it is data from "Between January 1, 2021 and September 7, 2021 in Pennsylvania".

I mean honestly I've been saying this for like a month and a half, and I'm finally finding that the media is starting to catch up with me on this. You can't use data during that time frame to paint an authentic picture, as a low % of Americans were fully vaccinated prior to April/May of this year. The first couple months of the year was also the time period with the most covid cases/deaths/hospitalizations. How many times do I need to point this out?
 
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mooray

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PJ Diaz said:
I think the PA data you posted is completely irrelevant, since it is data from "Between January 1, 2021 and September 7, 2021 in Pennsylvania".

I mean honestly I've been saying this for like a month and a half, and I'm finally finding that the media is starting to catch up with me on this. You can't use data during that time frame to paint an authentic picture, as a low % of Americans were fully vaccinated prior to April/May of this year. The first couple months of the year was also the time period with the most covid cases/deaths/hospitalizations. How many times do I need to point this out?
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I get the point about scooping up older numbers. Out of eight months, 17% of the PA population would become fully vaccinated over the first four months, then another 38% of the PA population would become fully vaccinated over the following four months, for a total of 55% today. How far back are you willing to go before the number conveys a point that you find acceptable?
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Nah, it is just obvious statistical trolling.

If he wasn't just trying to troll, he would point out that all the data is relevant and to not cherry pick what he wants to complain about, because there is always something if you pretend like people that are doing the science are only looking at that one thing when they make the recommendations and do the math.

But that is bullshit and is what is done by the propagandist 'researchers' who can't get their shit published, so they pay to get their junk 'pre-published' on some troll website. You know, the ones that these death cult trolls keep linking to like they mean anything legitimate.
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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mooray said:
I get the point about scooping up older numbers. Out of eight months, 17% of the PA population would become fully vaccinated over the first four months, then another 38% of the PA population would become fully vaccinated over the following four months, for a total of 55% today. How far back are you willing to go before the number conveys a point that you find acceptable?
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I think I would be comfortable with data since May of this year.
hanimmal said:
Nah, it is just obvious statistical trolling.
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Not at all. The data points very much matter. You can't take a timeframe with the hugest number of infections and the lowest number of vaccinations, and call that info accurate towards what you are hoping to prove. Your unwillingness to acknowledge that shows me how irrationally closed-minded you are.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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PJ Diaz said:
I think I would be comfortable with data since May of this year.

Not at all. The data points very much matter. You can't take a timeframe with the hugest number of infections and the lowest number of vaccinations, and call that info accurate towards what you are hoping to prove. Your unwillingness to acknowledge that shows me how irrationally closed-minded you are.
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You going to the 'acting superior' troll is cute. But again you are full of shit. All the data matters. You just pick what you can complain about and troll that.



June-August of this year data separated out showing how full of shit you death cult trolls are, and you troll about it not being perfect information (when we don't have access to that because of irrational fear of transparency in our medical field).
 
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mooray

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hanimmal said:
Nah, it is just obvious statistical trolling.

If he wasn't just trying to troll, he would point out that all the data is relevant and to not cherry pick what he wants to complain about, because there is always something if you pretend like people that are doing the science are only looking at that one thing when they make the recommendations and do the math.

But that is bullshit and is what is done by the propagandist 'researchers' who can't get their shit published, so they pay to get their junk 'pre-published' on some troll website. You know, the ones that these death cult trolls keep linking to like they mean anything legitimate.
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Well I think he's right to suggest that scooping up the numbers from low periods of vaccination would reduce the impact of "95% of hospitalizations from 1/1-9/1 are from unvaccinated", I'm not not sure the difference is night and day. I did find the below and I don't know how valid it is, because I just don't care enough to pick it apart at the moment, but it looks like cutting the data back to June and it only drops to 86%...

www.healthsystemtracker.org

Unvaccinated COVID-19 hospitalizations cost billions of dollars - Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker

COVID-19 vaccines have been free and broadly available to adults in all states and the District of Columbia since mid-April 2021, meaning adults in the U.S. have generally been able to be fully vaccinated for COVID-19 since late May 2021 if receiving a two-dose vaccine. COVID-19 vaccines are...
www.healthsystemtracker.org www.healthsystemtracker.org
 
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