Foxfarm Happy frog or ocean forest ???

I HATE the soil I use now.

which is called thunderhead from my hydro shop.


Ill be growing 3 snow white Feminized plants.

Should I use happy frog or ocean forrest?

ocean forest

Happy Frog is FF low end soil. It was made to be sold at local nurseries, OSH, etc. Don't use it!! I have used ocean forest for a couple of years now with great success. Some people say its too "hot" for seedlings and clones, but I have never had any problems.

i have had excellent results with it and even used it for the whole grow before.

stoner408 said:

i have had excellent results with it and even used it for the whole grow before.

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which?
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ocean forest for sure, get grow big and tiger bloom liquid ferts too

i mixed them both once and have a good turn out

when i do use soil i use ff ocean forest, and ff bat guano.. good stuff

Iv used both, FF ocean forest can go to harvest in 5 gal buckets with little added fertilizer. Happy frog isnt low end, its a softer soil and it has myco fungi in it, FFOF dosnt but I suggest grabbing a bottle.

Happy Frog is a much lower quality soil, whether you think so or not. It is available at local nurseries, etc., which kind of shows what kind of quality it is. How many awesome products do you find on the shelf at OSH? Not many.

bongrippinbob said:

Happy Frog is a much lower quality soil, whether you think so or not. It is available at local nurseries, etc., which kind of shows what kind of quality it is. How many awesome products do you find on the shelf at OSH? Not many.

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Its good soil, and decently cheap, my only problem is it dosnt come in 1.5cu bags.

I dont follow your logic, the fact that you find it in more stores may mean that its lower end, or that its more popular, sells more, burns less and is thus more mainstream... Im just pulling ideas out of my ass

Please tell me more information about happy frog that indicates it is low end? I would certainly use it instead of miracle grow or something like that.

Two more seconds of research found this snippet and this unbiased review, I gots to defend my brand, why is it low end?

"Hippie soil straight out of Humboldt Nation! those farmers got it right up there in many ways.
this soil is great for the earth and wonderful for potted plants. great for tomatoes and the rest
of the garden as well. they seem like a cool company and really care about the earth.

It's alive with beneficial microbes and fungi that help break down organic matter and feed
the plant roots. Between the earthworm castings, the bat guano, and the composted forest
humus the plants love this stuff."

and their snippet from the company

[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]"That’s why Happy Frog® Potting Soil is alive with beneficial microbes and fungi that help break
down organic matter and feed the plant roots. Between the earthworm castings, the bat guano,
and the composted forest humus, your container plants have never felt so good. And don’t worry—
FoxFarm uses only the highest quality, premium ingredients—no cheap fillers, no topsoil, no sludge.
Never. We promise."

I dont want to be a whore but defend your point of view, this shit grows me huge buds with little input from me.
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like some one said earlier FF ocean forest and pick up the liter bottles of grow big and tiger bloom those should last you for a while.

I should have said in comparison to something like say ocean forest, it just doesn't stand up. Yes its much better than miracle grow soil, or super soil, etc. But the fact is, out of the bag, it holds too much water, lots of compaction, there is massive pH flucuations, etc.
Outdoors, used as a "buffer" soil in the ground, I'm sure it would work just fine. But in a temp controlled, indoor environment, it just isn't nearly as quality of a soil as ocean forest. The couple of dollars you save on a bag of happy frog, you end up spending on perlite. Without it, you risk overwatering, and compacting your grow medium.
This has been my experience with happy frog, and on the other board I am a member of, many members have problems with it as well. If it works for you, keep on using it. I wouldn't try and fix something that isn't broken. But for most of the people I have spoke with, they would prefer ocean forest any day of the week.

not trying to thread-jack but this is my results from using

ocean forest soil
big bloom
tiger bloom

almost 8 weeks

i am using happy frog it was suggested to me by the guy in the hydro store! it works fantastic it makes the roots grow like crazy i had to replant 4 times! i have been using it through out the whole grow and it seems to be working great

"I should have said in comparison to something like say ocean forest, it just doesn't stand up. Yes its much better than miracle grow soil, or super soil, etc. But the fact is, out of the bag, it holds too much water, lots of compaction, there is massive pH flucuations, etc.
Outdoors, used as a "buffer" soil in the ground, I'm sure it would work just fine. But in a temp controlled, indoor environment, it just isn't nearly as quality of a soil as ocean forest. The couple of dollars you save on a bag of happy frog, you end up spending on perlite. Without it, you risk overwatering, and compacting your grow medium.
This has been my experience with happy frog, and on the other board I am a member of, many members have problems with it as well. If it works for you, keep on using it. I wouldn't try and fix something that isn't broken. But for most of the people I have spoke with, they would prefer ocean forest any day of the week."

why do you say that happyfrog has plenty of perliite in it!!!

The hydro store near me recently started carrying the smaller bag of FFOF so I purchased one. I can't wait to run a clone through it. I had been using regular Pro-Mix. From what I've read, FFOF and Black Gold are the two best.

lightweight said:

The hydro store near me recently started carrying the smaller bag of FFOF so I purchased one. I can't wait to run a clone through it. I had been using regular Pro-Mix. From what I've read, FFOF and Black Gold are the two best.

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my clone is in ocean forest right now ill post pics this after noon its amazing....

ocean forest is an organic non-fertilizer/nut/npk soil, yeah?