Flushing question, no debates please.

Tim Fox

Tim Fox

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MichiganMedGrower said:
When I started growing I thought I would have jars to break out and sample after a year when I forgot about them.

But it just is never here for that long. Lol.
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some of the jars here are 1.5 years old,, and i told my beautfiul wife the other day i need to turn that stuff into butter and get it in the freezer,, got newer crops,,, ok,, thats wednesdays work,, stuff is still fun to smoke,, heck i just took a hit from a tin can ( yes i said it),, of some weed i purchased at a state legal store in washington state 3 years ago,, oh its still good
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Tim Fox said:
some of the jars here are 1.5 years old,, and i told my beautfiul wife the other day i need to turn that stuff into butter and get it in the freezer,, got newer crops,,, ok,, thats wednesdays work,, stuff is still fun to smoke,, heck i just took a hit from a tin can ( yes i said it),, of some weed i purchased at a state legal store in washington state 3 years ago,, oh its still good
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I have severe mold allergy and would never attempt any of that.

Not saying it is bad. But I couldn't take the chance.
 
Indacouch

Indacouch

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oldfogey420 said:
I keep reading here and other forums, in the argument against flushing, that one cannot flush nutrients from a plant... And to this i say, "no shit."

The point is to remove the salt buildup and excess fertilizer from the *soil*. So the plants are forced to use up what they have stored in the leaves.

To follow up:



Right, so I think we all agree that would be the leaves. Last I checked, bud is made up of calyxes and... wait for it..........wait for it....... leaves.

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Lol
 
Bugeye

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Elvin Bishop said:
I have a couple pics posted in "how big is your plant" and they aren't that big. 8 inches tall and another that was 13. I flushed them at 5 weeks and pulled about 3.5 oz from both of them dry. What's your height, area and amount of nutrients and money spent? I got about 3.5 out of about 21 inches vertical and 2 sq ft. Dude, there's nothing new about buds that size. Are you for real?
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2 foot by 21" sounds like a prison grow, how much time you doing?
 
Johnny Lawrence

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Elvin Bishop said:
That's cute. Look, buddy. Your buds aren't any better than anyone who stops feeding 5 or 6. Sorry. You can roll your science up and go now. What I asked was simple. Show me where feeding more is that beneficial enough for you to belittle someone who flushes. You can't do it. I'm not arguing a scientific point here.
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You're not?

"but feel free to smoke nutrients in whatever quantity you desire, dude."

^ Show me the science that backs this statement you made back on page 1. Remember to include citations.
 
Gquebed

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oldfogey420 said:
I don't want to come off as rude, but I don't care to hear the debate, I'm one who flushes at the end of flower. That's what I've personally determined works best for great tastings buds, so that's what I've stuck with over the years. I've always, always, always flushed with pH adjusted water but usually don't have such big containers as right now. I'm at 7 weeks flower with 8 week strains in 5 gallon containers.

I'm thinking of putting them in the slop sink and running the faucet to flush them with my 8.0 tap water and then run 1 or two additional gallons through at 6.2 to get the pH where it should be.
Otherwise I'm looking at having to make up about 100 gallons of pH'd water, 5 gallons at a time. Thats alot of effing work that i just dont have time nor energy for.

Does pH really even matter with 1 week left? I don't want them getting anything from the soil anyway, I want them to eat up their stores and finish up.

Your thoughts?
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I never worried about pH with a week to go.

The ph range is just what optimum is for particular nute uptake. But that doesnt its not taking what it can from any source of water. In fact...it takes it all and deals with consequences later. Much like meth heads... lol

My last watering is always plain old tap water straight in and when it dries out....IT'S TIME!!
 
WeedFreak78

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Elvin Bishop said:
you're feeding 40% longer.... show me these big ass buds to back up your science. Something bigger in comparison to a flushed plant. Show me this difference, and how it's beneficial, and how you're not spending more money on nutrients. Your expense to benefit ratio is out of whack. You weed isn't that much better because you feed it longer
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Elvin Bishop said:
It's a tid bit of science that nutrient companies latched onto and promoted, and now every kid that grows weed thinks he knows because GH or some company told him so. If there were much to it, we would be seeing 30 and 40 percent increases in size and weight to reflect this feeding schedule. These gigantic buds that are that much bigger and better than someone who flushes don't exist. Science is science and it isn't a matter of opinion. However, with your science applied if you don't benefit you're spinning your wheels and complicating things for no reason
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Elvin Bishop said:
I'll be around, waiting get owned by these pictures of buds that are bigger, better, and stronger because you spent more money feeding them. I want to see at least a 30 percent larger, heavier, more dense... terpene rich flower , that is that way because you fed it 30% or so longer. If you can't, your economics is fucked up.
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By these statements it's obvious you don't understand plants. A XX% increase in nutrients doesn't equate to XX% more yield.
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I grow in soil only these days, and i really don't get any better, more, or bigger buds from feeding any longer than through about week 5, with the exception of a PK boost in like week 6 and that's it. In hydroponics, it's obviously much different as things happen much more quickly. I've fed until about 4 days before harvest and stopped mid week 5, and the best smoke for me seems to come from that schedule. I didn't notice any benefit and feeding longer, or not flushing. I think of it as just not feeding... not "flushing"
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Again, you don't understand how this works. Plants nutrient uptake over it's life would look like a bell curve, low uptake when young, building to max uptake during heavy veg into flowering, tapering off during ripening. We try to harvest at peak potency, which isn't a dead plant. If you're in soil the plant still has access to whatever nutes it needs.

You've provided no scientific evidence flushing is beneficial, because it doesn't exist. Just your anecdotal evidence.

Read my sig about flushing, that's horticultural FACT.

 
CriticalCheeze

CriticalCheeze

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WeedFreak78 said:
By these statements it's obvious you don't understand plants. A XX% increase in nutrients doesn't equate to XX% more yield.

Again, you don't understand how this works. Plants nutrient uptake over it's life would look like a bell curve, low uptake when young, building to max uptake during heavy veg into flowering, tapering off during ripening. We try to harvest at peak potency, which isn't a dead plant. If you're in soil the plant still has access to whatever nutes it needs.

You've provided no scientific evidence flushing is beneficial, because it doesn't exist. Just your anecdotal evidence.

Read my sig about flushing, that's horticultural FACT.

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Glass full of salts please.
 
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oldfogey420

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7 pages of useless debate later...no problems from flushing at 8.0, followed by a gallon at 6.2. The girls are happy and healthy and getting fatter every day. Not to mention stinky as hell!
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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Elvin Bishop said:
I think it is kind of funny that anyone would actually try to debate with you on if you should flush or not. Yes...flush. To anyone that says flushing is useless... Find me evidence that crackling, harsh weed that won't burn is where it's at and that there is no benefit in some form of flushing... until then, I'm not hearing it. I don't and won't smoke anyone's weed who doesn't flush it, and wouldn't recommend it.
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Elvin Bishop said:
NO, I really don't. Grow your weed however you want. It's funny because you're all missing the point. I don't think that any of you are truly tuned enough not to flush.
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I flush nearly every time I water the plant..Most of my watering's are ....yep..water. Id also suggest that most soil growers dont flush anymore. Its not needed, just feed em properly.

Times have changed from hanging plants upside down so the THC collects in the buds and pouring sugary boiling water onto the roots before harvest. (yes, ive been guilty of believing all that crap before the internet came about.....)

O and the correct term is leaching. Flushing is stoner talk or plumbing talk.
 
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stnr420

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rkymtnman said:
scientific fact: buds put on the most weight in the last 2 weeks.
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Scientific fact: every strain ive grown stops eating the last two weeks....check the runnoff and your plants will tell u they're full...media ppm...800...nute solution 600 ppm...next watering...runoff ppm 1000 @ day 47....tells me they dont want anymore food....plain water and let them eat whats left in the media....gradually dropping over 2 weeks.....
 
stnr420

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Bugeye said:
HA HA HA, funniest thread title I've seen in a while.

To all you flushers, don't let your confirmation bias get in your way, it is okay to be wrong and learn from your mistakes.
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I know right? I love my green plants at harvest....chlorophyll tastes sooo good! I hate after a 9 month cure the chlorophyll has finally broken down and tastes smooth...i hate that! Love that bitterness that only a green plant can bring...
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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stnr420 said:
Scientific fact: every strain ive grown stops eating the last two weeks....check the runnoff and your plants will tell u they're full...media ppm...800...nute solution 600 ppm...next watering...runoff ppm 1000 @ day 47....tells me they dont want anymore food....plain water and let them eat whats left in the media....gradually dropping over 2 weeks.....
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If they have stopped eating then they would not be eating whats in the media.....-.scientific fact.
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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Elvin Bishop said:
I think it is kind of funny that anyone would actually try to debate with you on if you should flush or not. Yes...flush. To anyone that says flushing is useless... Find me evidence that crackling, harsh weed that won't burn is where it's at and that there is no benefit in some form of flushing... until then, I'm not hearing it. I don't and won't smoke anyone's weed who doesn't flush it, and wouldn't recommend it.
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Nope. Not how plants work.

First you have mobile and immobile elements.

Immobile don't move. Mobile elements just move from the yellowing leaf to the very bud you smoke.

Show me the science that it works.

It doesn't. Its just how plants work.
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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Elvin Bishop said:
That wasn't the information that I was asking for, unless you're so dialed you know for a fact that you're not over feeding which I'm putting my money on "no", you're smoking hammer, but feel free to smoke nutrients in whatever quantity you desire, dude. You bud is not as smooth as bud that was correctly fed and flushed. It's not. I'm sorry. I'm not here to tell you how to grow your weed. I've done just fine since about 1999. That's goes for any other "well-known" member that doesn't flush their shit. Hahaha
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Show the science. I bet you can't.

Its not how it works. You can not remove nutrients from plants.

First its not like things like nitrogen go straight to the plant. Then as I said you can't remove them. As said. Immobile don't move. The ones that do move, move from old yellow growth to new green growth. The very thing you smoke.
 
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