FlowaMasta'a NEW Jack H x Skunk - 1 Plant 600HPS + UVB Monster Scrog!!!

flowamasta

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Hey what made you stop usin the PGRs? I've just started doin some reading on them and curious to see how you do with vs without. Results usually seems pretty solid, but I cant get past that carcinogenic part.
Smoke in itself is carcinogenic and breathing the smog in the city also, in saying this the PGR's used by cyco have been stringently tested to australian standards to ensure food crops have safe levels after being exposed. The Dilution rate is quite high and only used for branch and bud elongating ( shortening nodes and reducing vertical height ) and not used as a pesticide as in the past at extreme strengths to kill bugs. I have my fair share of research and i ask anyone to do the same if going to use PGR's as there are some out there that are not suitable. Also Cyco gives a small recommendation ' PGR strength ' sheet for softwood plants, rather than 'Hardwood.' so you don't over feed the plants.
The only reason i chose not to use PGR's this time is to see if i could train this plant enough to get decent yield without changing the buds structure by PGR influence. I trust PGR's by cyco and will continue to use them in the future, i also wanted to show some people that my huge yields are not entirely influenced by PGR's but because of strict plant training and food regime. Last time i grew this strain i didnt see a massive stretch anyway, i let her go fo the first week and she only went maybe 6 inches....we'll see this round as maybe part B PGR helps keep things tight as well, it will be a good comparison anyway, and hopefully a good show for people :)

I simply won't mention how many vineyards are using this exact product to produce more grapes per bunch.....and it works.
 

mike91sr

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Awesome! You seem to put a lot of effort into everything about your garden, and I had assumed you wouldnt just be putting something potentially harmful in without knowing what youre doing. Im JUST now looking into them, along with other hormones, to make a decision. Some of the studies out there get me to read for 30 minutes only to come to an inconclusive answer anyway... Great to hear something other than "I use them" and "dont use them" that most PGR-related threads around here are filled with. Thanks

Edit: were you following Cyco's schedule?
 

flowamasta

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Awesome! You seem to put a lot of effort into everything about your garden, and I had assumed you wouldnt just be putting something potentially harmful in without knowing what youre doing. Im JUST now looking into them, along with other hormones, to make a decision. Some of the studies out there get me to read for 30 minutes only to come to an inconclusive answer anyway... Great to hear something other than "I use them" and "dont use them" that most PGR-related threads around here are filled with. Thanks

Edit: were you following Cyco's schedule?
i totally agree with you, most people actually using these PGR's are doing it because they can get dense solid nugs that weigh alot for their size...But that is using it incorrectly and i can guarantee that. That is severely stressing the plant by not letting the leaf stems grow to their full length so the leaves can provide their photosynthesis energy. The leaf stems get so short that it looks as if the buds themselves don't have any, but this is not the case they have not grown stems and the growth regulator has simply stunted all the growing stems so that the bud grows in a tight little ball. A fake little ball. To the untrained smoker they may think woooooow that looks nuts and it's super heavy...but i can almost guarantee that they have lost some flavour and potency in doing so. They mislead people with the packaging, that's all it is, some stupid companies calling them bud boosters, and lead and so on.....people thinking they will get more yield. I'm sorry if i'm dissapointing people but i believe it's time for the truth before this gets out of hand and people use them for the wrong reasons....Great for sativa sided plants (stretchy) used at half strength of Cyco's recommendation.. but i'm thinking Indicas don't really need them if you want to retain the original structure or look of the bud. Even using the slightest amount you will noticeably see a difference..and very easy to over-feed even at such weak dilution rates and this is because it's not food it is hormones. Think of it as a chick....now if she's flooded with the wrong hormones what's that going to do??? same works with plants...everything in moderation. you can always start with a tiny amount, wait a day and watch for signs of stress...things like this can help our end product because 1 day of stress can turn into 7 quickly. For every 1 day stress a plant may go through think of atleast 3 days to recover, Plants aren't like humans in the respect once our tissue is damaged it can repair itself to a certain degree....a plant if the cells are damaged, they are damaged until the end of the plants cycle, every leaf and every stem will be affected. Read the plants, and they will tell you if enough is enough.

PGR's can be a great additive/hormone if used properly and at very weak strengths, i have used this the last 4 grows and have studied my plants profusely each grow to monitor as much as i can. I notice no after-taste, no potency loss AT ALL. I can safely say most of my home grown has been the most potent smoke i've ever had.

If any of you out there have the time or books to read, i say Horticulture is so vitally important in our lives, understanding how we grow and how plants grow really opens your eyes, and may help you grow better plants...I'm still learning ofcourse and will learn things about plants until the day i die. I sometimes think we are basically a complicated version of a plant...A living moving form of bacteria. We are after all both made up of exactly the same things.



I did follow cycos feed schedule but i have changed since my last grow by eliminating nitrogen products during flowering to help taper off the plants cycle and promote the autumning effect....I love it when i see the coloured leaves appearing towards the end of ripening :weed: I also think this adds to the flavour by having less green in the leaves, smells different while drying and everything just seems more outdoors and natural like that. By eliminating the nitrogen from my feedings at flower has made me some of the best erb i've ever had. I still get the odd mate coming round and they'll leave with a nice nuggie to stink out there car hehe a few may wonder where this strange potent erb comes from. My mrs and I are very lucky hippies, but don't worry Jack is out there now ;) and i'm hearing of a lemon haze x red devil getting around...will let you know.
 

curly604

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dont mean to repost there flowa but i could really use some advice on my screen its got me worrying haha ahhh the parrels of growing ganja anyway here she is again ,

jack x skunk loooks tasty as fuck man mmmm mmmm , and of coarse your girl is looking great coming along very nicely. i went and bought a "screen" the other day from my local hydro shop and its made of a thin bungee cord material that has hooks to fit a 4 x 4 or a 5 x 5 tent .... only 7 bucks too
my only worry is will it be hefty enough to hold up all the fresh buds im gonna have ..... thinking i might get a plastic fence type material for my bottom screen and then use this bungee one as my second .... any thoughts? i noticed the holes in your screen are very large and mine is the same but ive seen many people go with smaller holed screens that seemed as though they might give a bit more support im not to sure tho your the flowamasta after all
 

flowamasta

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dont mean to repost there flowa but i could really use some advice on my screen its got me worrying haha ahhh the parrels of growing ganja anyway here she is again ,

jack x skunk loooks tasty as fuck man mmmm mmmm , and of coarse your girl is looking great coming along very nicely. i went and bought a "screen" the other day from my local hydro shop and its made of a thin bungee cord material that has hooks to fit a 4 x 4 or a 5 x 5 tent .... only 7 bucks too
my only worry is will it be hefty enough to hold up all the fresh buds im gonna have ..... thinking i might get a plastic fence type material for my bottom screen and then use this bungee one as my second .... any thoughts? i noticed the holes in your screen are very large and mine is the same but ive seen many people go with smaller holed screens that seemed as though they might give a bit more support im not to sure tho your the flowamasta after all
LOL, thanx for the compliments! Jack is my secret affair ;) i call her Jacinta :p

my spaces are about 100mm square i think so yeah, quite large...Bungee cord. that depends how stretchy it is, you don't want it to pull the sides of your tent in! it may collapse if not strong enough! as long as you have support in all 4 corners you will be able to hold her weight, theidea is not really to hold the buds up, but space the buds out so that the stems will sit hard up against the netting. As the buds get heavier the net pulls itself tighter anyway. I use 2 layers of netting usually, i'm still going to put another layer in but will be there so my side colas don't fall out to the sides as they get bigger not really for weight support. Mind you alot does 'lay' on the net some are hard to get to and some may fall down the back, in a tent it is hard to get to 100% of places. especially since i have my tent positioned so it will suck in fresh air and my used carbon air goes out the door way.
If it's only 7 buks and doesn't pull too tight grab 2 :) my plastic netting cost nothing, the store throws it at me! They have 1000 meter rolls i only need 3 hehe
 

curly604

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thanks flowa youve put a high mans worried mine to ease , ya this bungee screen pulls pretty tight and it has built on hooks to fit the 4x4 perfectly so i might just get another like ya say ..... do you tie you plants to your screen at all? also how many ppm's you throwing at your girl in flower? cheers man srry for all the questions
 

flowamasta

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thanks flowa youve put a high mans worried mine to ease , ya this bungee screen pulls pretty tight and it has built on hooks to fit the 4x4 perfectly so i might just get another like ya say ..... do you tie you plants to your screen at all? also how many ppm's you throwing at your girl in flower? cheers man srry for all the questions
if the screen pulls too tight, get some cable ties to take some slack on the corners... yeah i tie my mains to the net now and in the future when needed. ANYTHING to take the weight of your girl... if you can help support the weight of the buds she won't use/waste energy in trying to hold up heavy branches...saviour that evenrgy into making fat large flowers :)
i don't measure ppms, but i would say quite high. I feed very heavily and i try to maximize the nutrient uptake during veg, and back off during flowering so the plant can feed off herself an develop properly. You would be surprised how much food the leaves store and if you remover alot you are starving the plant of essential vitamins and minerals it ha been storing away.

edit: if i didnt support my heads they would fall under before week 4 ;) very large heavy colas
 

curly604

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finally got some pics up in my thread you should come by and check the new grow if ya get a chance brotha man , cheers!
 

flowamasta

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finally got some pics up in my thread you should come by and check the new grow if ya get a chance brotha man , cheers!
you're doin great curly!! man there are alot of good growers around! and awesome variety between everyone grow styles and strains! :)

here we go at day 13 Flower! did a fair clean up underneath, still alot to do, but that's enough for now! i took more off than some people have on their whole plants lol.
Ofcourse i start the night off with a nice Jack x Skunk nug from last grow....to give you guys a hint of what's to come!
The plant shots were before the cleanup and flush.....

 

CaliMackdaddy

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Some Pics of my current grow, decided to throw a screen on them worked out nicely.. much more spread out now, the sativas in the back could use some training tho to level it out a bit. Also the strain in the front left is the one ill be doing in the hempy bucket, the strain has flawless genetics compared to anything ive ever grown.
 

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^Slanty

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Yeah, that new strain sure does turn purple! Way more than the Bubba Kush on the left! About the trim job, it took minutes! Very impressed so far! Now can't wait for some to dry and have a taste! I will probably be chopping a good portion within the next few days.
 

reggaerican

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The scrog is looking killer for 13 days Flo, and way to go on the cleanup, I just ran thru mine a few days ago hopefully for the last time cause its a bitch pulling leaves in my grow laying on the floor..
Also Slanty im diggn the purple nugs man looking good..
 

flowamasta

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The scrog is looking killer for 13 days Flo, and way to go on the cleanup, I just ran thru mine a few days ago hopefully for the last time cause its a bitch pulling leaves in my grow laying on the floor..
Also Slanty im diggn the purple nugs man looking good..
Thanx man :) a little behind last grow, I put that down to the pgr's speeding up the flowering process. from here on things should be pretty even, i have alot more heads than last grow, i did alot more fimming and topping, and should even out the buds sizes a bit better.

Last grow day 13 flower below....



Current grow day 13...(yesterday) below....

 

jsamuel24

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Looking awesome as allways Flow. The more I see your girl, the more I want to try out a large plant under my 1000w.

Here is a Fire OG that I have going, think it has about a week left before cut.



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