Florida Growers Thread

[WeedCreed]

is a good bag seed capable of being a 5 foot outdoor plant?

Tough to say...is the badseed from a Sativa or Indica plant...probably don't know. A sativa grown well can grow over 5 feet outdoors.

 

[Mindmelted]

I think it has the potential

 

[Heads Up]

nothing wrong with them bro...

I'm a Gypsy... by blood and spirit... roots in old India and Romania...

it's just an expression I use to make fun of myself when I talk too much...

no dis-respect intended, or I would be offending my own kind

and check out HTG.. they'll do you good ...

No offense taken and none was intended. I got the feel for how you use the word.

We good now? Good. I'll be back later after I drive myself crazy at htg. Peace

 

[GypsyBush]

I'll be back later after I drive myself crazy at htg. Peace

Have fun Bro...

oh and we've been good from the start..

I just wanna see you grow some dank...

 

[Heads Up]

Have fun Bro...

oh and we've been good from the start..

I just wanna see you grow some dank...

So help me out here gypsy. I just looked at the lumen output for a 600w hps lamp, wow! What a difference. A comment that I heard on here struck the truth chord inside of me just like when you said go hid if you want to grow the best. Light is the plants food, everything else is supplements. The ballast you have, is it a digital or magnetic? Cool to the touch sounds good to me and I really appreciate the tip about sealed ballasts like the galaxy, no wonder it's painted. What I'm really interested in is the reflector. I want something that is going to have a way to vent the air, preferably in a sealed hood. I'm looking at the euro and the easy cool6. as an upgrade. It doesn't appear that the maxwing they offer with the system has vent holes? Do you know if it does?

 

[GypsyBush]

So help me out here gypsy. I just looked at the lumen output for a 600w hps lamp, wow! What a difference. A comment that I heard on here struck the truth chord inside of me just like when you said go hid if you want to grow the best. Light is the plants food, everything else is supplements.

Yup.. you're on the right track...

The ballast you have, is it a digital or magnetic?

Digital...

I have 2 of this exact model... one came with a cool tube and the other with an easy cool 8

http://htgsupply.com/viewproduct.asp?productID=48956

Cool to the touch sounds good to me and I really appreciate the tip about sealed ballasts like the galaxy, no wonder it's painted.

HTG takes advantage of the ballast not being sealed to add an internal fan...

The aluminum body stays cool to the touch the whole time...

What I'm really interested in is the reflector. I want something that is going to have a way to vent the air, preferably in a sealed hood.

I recommend a sealed hood with 2 flanges... so you can have the air cooling separate from the op's airmass...

I'm looking at the euro and the easy cool6. as an upgrade.

I have an easy cool 8... I like the big reflector area...

But it's got the 8" flange , easily remedied by 8" duct with an adapter at the fan if needed...

I looked at the easy cool 6 and the euro hood... but I went with the bigger reflector...

It doesn't appear that the maxwing they offer with the system has vent holes? Do you know if it does?

You are right.. it does not...

That is just a standard reflector...

what fan are going to use?

do you have a plan for the setup yet?

 

[Heads Up]

As to the dank. I'm thinking, smelling and looking at what I believe is going to make this old guy a happy person in not too much longer a period of time. My first grow I did from seed 12/12, I think it was the old radical in me rearing his head. I figured I wanted to get a good many mistakes out of the way with my first grow so let's go for the gusto, and man did I make the mistakes. I tried my best to kill those poor girls, but they just wouldn't die. I had a dozen dwarfs. I grew them in twenty ounce cups. Soaked the seeds overnight, planted them the next day and they grew in those cups the whole grow. Within three weeks they were showing sex and about eight and a half weeks later they made the ultimate sacrifice. A very good friend of mine, the only one who knows of my grow, told me just today, that smoke was some of the best he had ever had and my vietnam vet buddy around the corner told me he hadn't been that high since he left new york. It was good, but I only got about two and a half ounces out of twelve plants. These girls look so much better and at least I know of the genetics of two of the strains are good. I've got some seeds going from a bud or three I painted with some crystal, the northern lights/white widow cross. I may be no mr. greenjeans either but with the people on here willing to share their knowledge, I think I can do a good imitation over time.

 

[GypsyBush]

Bro!

You are gonna kick ass!!!

It's not hard...

Growing Dank is all about creating a healthy environment for your plants...

Give them a happy place and the plants will do the growing themselves.. they'll thrive..

I bet with a 600w you can get up to an Oz from each plant 12/12 from seed...

I say that cause I've done it...

 

[Heads Up]

Yup.. you're on the right track...



Digital...

I have 2 of this exact model... one came with a cool tube and the other with an easy cool 8

http://htgsupply.com/viewproduct.asp?productID=48956

HTG takes advantage of the ballast not being sealed to add an internal fan...

The aluminum body stays cool to the touch the whole time...



I recommend a sealed hood with 2 flanges... so you can have the air cooling separate from the op's airmass...



I have an easy cool 8... I like the big reflector area...

But it's got the 8" flange , easily remedied by 8" duct with an adapter at the fan if needed...

I looked at the easy cool 6 and the euro hood... but I went with the bigger reflector...



You are right.. it does not...

That is just a standard reflector...

what fan are going to use?

do you have a plan for the setup yet?

Well, yes and no. I'm going to have a room about 12 by 12 available, soon hopefully, a week or three??? There is no air conditioning in this room, but the access to my attic is through the closet in the room. I'm thinking about either sectioning off a 4x4 or 5x5 area. I can use two of the existing walls and that way only need to add two. The sealed reflectors seem to me to be the best way to keep the heat of the light off your plants so I plan on going with an air cooled reflector, probably the easy cool6. As to the exhaust fan, no decision on that. If the fan is strictly being used to remove the heat from the hood, how much cfm does one actually need? I have plenty of fans for air movement in the room. I plan on running my exhaust through my access panel venting it into the attic and pulling in air from another room. I can run a vent from inside my closet into the other bedroom using the air in this room to go into the other. I know it won't be a big help but it will help. How many plants does one have to grow before they actually need a carbon filter? I can smell my plants as soon as I open my bedroom closet but I can't smell them on the other side of the door. My closet now exhausts into the attic and can't smell anything outside either. The chief of police lives on the next street over. I can just about see his house through my back yard. Questions, questions...

 

[GypsyBush]

Well, yes and no. I'm going to have a room about 12 by 12 available, soon hopefully, a week or three???

Perfect..!!!

Room to do shit in is nice!!!

There is no air conditioning in this room, but the access to my attic is through the closet in the room.

Are you in hot country? must be... talking about AC...

Access to the attic is super... you'll exhaust everything in to it...

I'm thinking about either sectioning off a 4x4 or 5x5 area.

Are you doing soil? hydro?

If it was me, I would section off a 5x5 and slap a 3x3 tray under the light...

But I am not sure what you are doing...

I can use two of the existing walls and that way only need to add two.

Sounds like you can use your head.. seems rare these days...

The sealed reflectors seem to me to be the best way to keep the heat of the light off your plants so I plan on going with an air cooled reflector, probably the easy cool6.

That'll work...

As to the exhaust fan, no decision on that. If the fan is strictly being used to remove the heat from the hood, how much cfm does one actually need?

Al B Fuct recommends a minimum of 200 cfm for air cooling the lights...

I use a 440 CFM fan to cool 3 lights and it works just fine.. first 2 lights are cold, last one is cool...

I have buds that touch the glass with no ill effect...

But you gotta have the airflow...

I have plenty of fans for air movement in the room. I plan on running my exhaust through my access panel venting it into the attic and pulling in air from another room.

Sounds good... for MOST ops, a passive intake is fine...

I can run a vent from inside my closet into the other bedroom using the air in this room to go into the other. I know it won't be a big help but it will help.

not sure I follow...

is this for an intake?

How many plants does one have to grow before they actually need a carbon filter?

The question is more like ...

What happens if someone smells your crop?

ONE plant smells enough to get you busted..

I would not flower without odor control...

But that's just me... I'm allergic to jail...

I can smell my plants as soon as I open my bedroom closet but I can't smell them on the other side of the door.

Kinda like asking the baker if he can smell bread...

Your nose gets desensitized...

POT WREAKS!!!

IT STINKS!!!

and there is no denying the smell, if you ever smelled it before...

Just cause YOU can't smell it.. doesn't mean your non smoking neighbor can't..


Be smart use a filter... it's chap insurance...

My closet now exhausts into the attic and can't smell anything outside either.

Not by your house... but what about 3 houses down...

It's a small chance.. I agree.. but it is not one I am willing to take...

100% smell free makes for better nights of sleep...

The chief of police lives on the next street over. I can just about see his house through my back yard. Questions, questions...

Prolly safer there than most...

Not many people would think there's an op down the street from the cop...

But you gotta make SURE he can't smell it.. or one of his K-9 buddies carpooling or some shit...

Get your op tight...

Oh.. I can't remember..

have you seen Al B. Fucts's illustration on how to properly vent an OP?

 

[Barnard]

Pasco County here. Just starting this new Indoor grow operation.

 

[Heads Up]

OK, your point is made about odor control but right now I just can't afford to get both the light and the fan and filter. It's going to be $274 with shipping for the light. My intake I could draw from my bedroom into the other bedroom and exhaust out through my attic access. I have to disagree with your pic of the exhaust. To my understanding you shouldn't push air through the filter, I read somewhere where they are designed for air to be drawn through them, not pushed. I'm doing soil grows, I like playing in the dirt. I'm thinking of starting my next batch in half gallon grow bags and then just cutting the bottoms out of them come time to transplant and put them into two gallon grow bags. Just looked into Jorge Cervants bible. The pic he shows, and there's a big chapter on air, has the filter an inline fan and then ducting and then an extraction fan at the end of the ducting. So it's pretty easy to see the air is being sucked through the filter, not pushed. Just my two cents.

 

[Heads Up]

Pasco County here. Just starting this new Indoor grow operation.

Welcome barnard. Stick around, it's a great site.

 

[Heads Up]

As a matter of fact he also recommends that you change the pre-filter every sixty days. Keep your relative humidity below 55%, at sixty five to seventy the filter collects moiture and clogs. At eighty it stops working completely.

 

[GypsyBush]

OK, your point is made about odor control but right now I just can't afford to get both the light and the fan and filter. It's going to be $274 with shipping for the light.

get the light!

My intake I could draw from my bedroom into the other bedroom and exhaust out through my attic access.

Sound ok to me..

I have to disagree with your pic of the exhaust.

Based on what???

To my understanding you shouldn't push air through the filter,

Why?

the air is passed through the activated carbon... I did not know that the charcoal's ododr absorbing properties were one way...

I read somewhere where they are designed for air to be drawn through them, not pushed.

Ah!

Well, what can I say... I didn't write a book...

I follow my Master's plan and it works...

The info I have shared here was read somewhere, but before I regurgitate it, it goes through my op first...

EVERYTHING I have told you here is based on MY ACTUAL GROW EXPERIENCE.. not something I read somewhere...

I'll just put like this...there are HUNDREDS of op set up after that drawing...

Al himself has run his op like that for 7 years...

If it didn't work, we'd know about it by now...

My op has been smell free for 6 months now....

I'm doing soil grows, I like playing in the dirt.

Soil is like magik to me...

How do you know what to do???

I like hydro cause I can grow scientifically... very exact, by the numbers...

I'm thinking of starting my next batch in half gallon grow bags and then just cutting the bottoms out of them come time to transplant and put them into two gallon grow bags.

Nice...

The pot in pot thchnique...

Just looked into Jorge Cervants bible. The pic he shows, and there's a big chapter on air, has the filter an inline fan and then ducting and then an extraction fan at the end of the ducting.

6 to a half a dozen...

the carbon will absorb the odor left to right just as well as right to left...

there may be another point to what he is saying, but the filter works just the same either way...

One thing I can think of is to make sure the hood is being blown into.. nt ot sucked out of...

Putting the fan before the light will allow the fan to work with cooler air...

Cooler air is more dense and the fan will be more efficient..

Cooler air also means lower motor temperature, and longer life..

But that's the only thing I can think of...

So it's pretty easy to see the air is being sucked through the filter, not pushed. Just my two cents.

Go with what you know Brother... it's your grow after all....

But I am telling you from personal experience... not hear say.. not read somewhere...

actual real world info... from doing it...

I hope I am still making sense...

And I am sorry if I seem rude or harsh...

I just get into it and the INFO becomes more important than how I say it...

I mean no disrespect... I just get very direct sometimes...lol....

Cheers...

 

[GypsyBush]

As a matter of fact he also recommends that you change the pre-filter every sixty days.

I see no need to... unless your op is in a dirty/dusty place..

And then.. you can just wash it...

But hey.. he wrote a book.. I am just a dipshit...

Keep your relative humidity below 55%,

Sounds like a healthy value for a good op...

at sixty five to seventy the filter collects moiture and clogs. At eighty it stops working completely.

Well...

I did not test that...

I can't say for sure...

Bt I keeo my RH at about 45%... like I should.. and I have no issues...

 

[RetiredToker76]

<RANT>

Damnit damnit damnt!!! Impatience i going to be my undoing. I'm sitting here looking at my babies, They look better than they did after comming home from being gone 4 days. Aparently Neem oil can cause problems as it killed 80% of the leaves on two of my plants, but the others were quite happy. I really really really want to water them, baby them, do something to make them grow more and faster, but I know it's a bad idea! Another month at least until flower and I have 2 sad little buds left in my jar, I'm going out of my mind. Patience sucks!
</Rant>

-RT76

 

[Heads Up]

Gypsy,

I feel like a child or an asshole who sits in an office reading manuals but never gets hands on experience. Touche', once again your points are well taken. I'll opt for the field experience backed with things I've read. Eventually I'll find how to do more right than wrong. which brings me to another truth I read on here for new growers. If you have females flowering, you've done more right than wrong. It's all one big ongoing experiment after all. I'm currently using fox farms stuff. I did use chemical ferts but not really all that much, maybe four or five gallons through the whole grow and they haven't had any in well over a week now. My partner is a plumber, I am not good mechanically, he's not good on the science end. He is starting to get the "I want to go hydro" bug. I showed him your post on your ebb and flow system, he understood immediately, hell, even I understood.

Edit. I also never make the solution stronger than fifty percent of the manufacturers recommend dose.

 

[Heads Up]

<RANT>

Damnit damnit damnt!!! Impatience i going to be my undoing. I'm sitting here looking at my babies, They look better than they did after comming home from being gone 4 days. Aparently Neem oil can cause problems as it killed 80% of the leaves on two of my plants, but the others were quite happy. I really really really want to water them, baby them, do something to make them grow more and faster, but I know it's a bad idea! Another month at least until flower and I have 2 sad little buds left in my jar, I'm going out of my mind. Patience sucks!
</Rant>

-RT76

You're doing better than me, all of my jars are empty...but not for long now.

 

[Barnard]

Pasco County here. 55 years old with 30 years outdoor grow experience. Started growing 200 Indica/Sative crosses for 20 years then reduced quantity as population moved towards the family ranch. Ranch is all houses now except for a 25 acre commercial site. But still have the urge to farm so starting to spout a green thumb inside.
Planted 200 plants on a friends ranch in Yeehaw junction. Cowboys looking for strays found 150 of them. Sheriff said he didn't know much about marijuana but could see someone knew what they were doing. Used to plant in a large hole filled with 25 gallons of pore worm casting imported from a farm near Gainesville. Sheriff only found part so I used to get dropped off alnong the turnpike north of SR60 about 10 pm and walk thru 2 miles of palmettos, snakes and canals to check on my babies. Carried a flashlight, 22 magnum pistol and a sharp mashete. Would get picked up on 441 about dawn. Harvested 16 lbs of nice smoke.