flavor and especially high descriptions for amnesia or jackhammer in particular?

i know amnesia haze is highly regarded, pun intended, but i've had low interest in it for the stoned and confused sound of the name alone, but sannie's jackhammer is supposed to be trippy and as it takes a couple weeks longer than pure jack f7, i wonder if it's a little more sativa dominant.

if amnesia is more of a trippy high than jack herer, then jackhammer would definitely be an improvement oiver the jack f7 i'm otherwise considering.

any comparisons between jack herer and amnesia haze, or an INFORMAL smoke report, and NOT a confusing list of statitistics on jack hammer's personality in particular is appreciated. i don't care how trippy amnesia is though if it's spacy. i don't like that effect at all. i'd rather be bored by a clear headed euphoric strain than a space cadet.

there isn't any smoke reporting happening in the other grow in progress amnesia thread. how about some reporting on amnesia's buzz specifics, or jackhammer's.

rokerij amnesia isn't the real deal i think. that one's just another generic fruity haze. that's the only amnesia i know 1st hand.

amnesia haze (at least the one i grew from dinafem) doesnt leave u spacey or confused. its more of a rush..like to the point of creating anxiety of some too much. racy thoughts. inability to sit still etc. hyper alert for me.

I have grown soma's and it's the best sativa high I have ever smoked, but it is a 14 week flower and gets very large, it's one of the only true amnessia haze there is , most things people get that is called amnessia haze is just a good super silver haze cut . Shit Soma just won best sativa at this years cup so you know his shit is killer.

RedMan420 said:

I have grown soma's and it's the best sativa high I have ever smoked, but it is a 14 week flower and gets very large, it's one of the only true amnessia haze there is , most things people get that is called amnessia haze is just a good super silver haze cut . Shit Soma just won best sativa at this years cup so you know his shit is killer.

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as much as they charge it better be killer. i still havent found the guts to drop 30 on a seed lol.

i should have done it when i was flowering with 1200w of hps...now im flowering with 150w of hps. surely i wont pay that much for a 150w grow lol

I have grown the jackhammer f2 and found one killer lady.Tasted like amnesia (antiseptic,hazy,lemony).Big giant plants,ok yield,lay you out stone 13 week finish time.However other phenos were not worth it.You should check out karma genetics jack o nesia same flavor, bigger yield,great effect finish 9 weeks.Good luck in your search.

i'm about to go up and germ some amnesia haze x chocolate rain from e$kob@r in about 5 minutes.. watch this space for a smoke report in about 5 months or so..

and hazy gud karma just put up some pix of the cr x ah in the seed collectors thread if you want to peep them..

amnesia haze (at least the one i grew from dinafem) doesnt leave u spacey or confused. its more of a rush..like to the point of creating anxiety of some too much. racy thoughts. inability to sit still etc. hyper alert for me.

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sounds more like kali mist and C99 then. i'm not so much a fan of anxious buzzes though, especially when trippiness is involved. a little stone to smooth a trippy buzz out is nice as long as it's functional. i think i'll just go with my original plan and try jack f7 instead. i only would have been interested in jackhammer if it were even trippier. i'm not quite ready to try 15 week plus strains yet.

[qoute]it's one of the only true amnessia haze there is , most things people get that is called amnessia haze is just a good super silver haze cut . Shit Soma just won best sativa at this years cup so you know his shit is killer. [/quote]yep... just like haze in general, just becausesomething's called amnesia doesn't make it so. my own rokerij amnesia was just a generic fruity haze with a lineage listed that has nothing to do with real amnesia, but i decided to test it because it was cheap, no one else was really reporting on their gear, and i read one favorable smoke report from coffeeshop bud. i don't 100% trust cannabis cup. there's a lot of BS politics and pay to play going on with at least one breeder's gear never making it to judging as it got scooped up. it's like magazine reviews for whatever... often, you've got to buy advertising to get a review. to paraprase cannabible, "the highlife cup is more impartial than the cannabis cup" you know something's yup when you've read dozens of rants about KC brains' beans being 0% but he wins a cup. LOL SOMA is respectable for real though, here where real people grow and test shit, mostly without agendas.

and hazy gud karma just put up some pix of the cr x ah in the seed collectors thread if you want to peep them..

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thanks, but no. i have no use for pics. you can't smoke a pic and i generally think that stringy anti-bag appeal bud is what smokes best anyways. all i care about is smoke reports. i want to know exactly how a strain smokes as all i care about is the best buzz. if it weren't for lying ass trolls questioning every fucking thing i say, i wouldn't bother taking pics of my own shit. WAY back in the day too, i developed a contempt for the pic mentalioty as i'd read report after report on a strain with dozens of dialup clogging pics, pointless minutae about nute levels and temps on a minute by minute base practically and then get "ripped off" by a "smoke report" that amounted to "best shit ever!" & man this shit's dank!" never getting the info on trippiness, euphoria, creativity or energy levels that are most important to me. i don't care what a strain looks like and to a lesser extent even tastes like as long as it gets me high. haze x skunk isn't a favorite flavor (cigar wrapper with hints of ashtray... blech) but it's a super potent high with some real psychoactivity and virtually no stone EVER.

smoke reports are my only priority, and not those hideous info burying template types either, just plain english summaries.

i'll just get jack f7. sannies gear is so respected i just gotta try it myself. besides, i want to see if f7's any better than jack's cleaner 2 as i'm still looking for gear even closer to columbian gold.

thanks for all the feedback. i forgot about this thread when it wasn't getting any replies.

what do you think of Super Strains Original Amnesia? I talked to breeder and he said he started HY-Pro, they created Amnesia.

Best up buzz without paranoia that ive come across is a SSSDH that leans all the way Super Silver, no sour diesel flavor, Up hour long HIGH then a gentle stone sets in, thinking mans high, high yielding, 65-77 day harvest window, smells like church incense in room from the smoke, taste like spicy haze with fruit undertones.

Sannies Jack wasnt nothing special. High yeilding, no Jack flavor or high. Very boring and bland overall. Sannies Shaqzilla was much better then Sannies Jack, the Sannie Jacks were F6s.

id had some amnesia that was off the chain flavor, but the potency was kinda off. it was supposed to be hy-pro... idk just my exp, mighta been crap pheno

Hazey,

High quality is largely subjective, and can also vary from grow to grow of the same strain, not only with respect to different phenos, but also grow characteristics (ie harvest time, etc). Reading about other peoples subjective descriptions of highs may not be as helpful as you like, especially if they haven't tried both strains together.

If you want to know which strain is better for you, then the best way to do that is to actually GROW THEM and compare. Anything other than that is just speculative. Particularly given how well regarded and reasonably priced Sannies JH is, there is no good reason NOT to grow it, if you're interested!

On your question, in general, some of the Jack Herer lines can put out more indica-like phenos. Haven't tried Sannies version (yet), but his is more stable, and he deliberately selected it for more typical "haze" quality. I think of the two you mentioned, the Amnesia haze is probably going to be more of what you're looking for.

Its also probably the harder of the two to grow, and particularly in your case that matters.

If you're looking for a real sativa, Sannie did have a Columbian Gold x Jamaican Lambsbread F1 for a while. Don't know if he still offers it (or ever will again) but if you're looking for a relatively inexpensive old-school classic pure sativa experience, seems like a really good choice. Note that this one is probably going to be even HARDER to grow, and I'd fully expect hermies. Not really a big deal, unless you're growing a room full of other plants (which I'm guessing you're not).

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as much as they charge it better be killer. i still havent found the guts to drop 30 on a seed lol.

i should have done it when i was flowering with 1200w of hps...now im flowering with 150w of hps. surely i wont pay that much for a 150w grow lol

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I hear you there.

But if you really want it, I wouldn't entirely dismiss the possibility of growing a 14 week sativa under a 150W HPS.

In fact, I basically just did this very thing, running a Mexican sativa-dom bagseed for 13 weeks under half of a 250W HPS. Unfortunately, the images are in RIU limbo, but you can see the details in my sig below with some discussion. I deliberately omitted details of how exactly I did it in the thread, but first I "LST"s the plant by training it in a circle around the pot to reduce vertical height during veg, then I ran a mini-SCROG for flowering. In terms of the technical aspect of the grow, it worked out great, and high quality is good, too (though potency, as expected, isn't stellar).

It is a more challenging grow, but if you're experienced, keep on top of it, train and prune correctly, you can pull it off. I didn't do so, but you could run 12-12 from seed to harvest to speed up flowering a bit. You might also consider cutting back to 11-13 then 10-14 around week 10.

In fact if you do your part, I don't see why you couldn't pull 2-3 ounces off in that time, and if its top shelf, the $30 ceed cost shouldn't matter all that much.

I think the biggest problem with a grow like this isn't the ceed cost, its the opportunity cost.

In the five months you're going from seed to chop with ultra-haze, you could run two full grows of -butt-kicking indica hybrid. Depending on how much you use, if all you have is a 150W HPS to meet all your needs, you may not want to sacrifice the potential yield of something else to grow a sativa.

Jogro said:

Hazey,

High quality is largely subjective, and can also vary from grow to grow of the same strain, not only with respect to different phenos, but also grow characteristics (ie harvest time, etc). Reading about other peoples subjective descriptions of highs may not be as helpful as you like, especially if they haven't tried both strains together.

If you want to know which strain is better for you, then the best way to do that is to actually GROW THEM and compare. Anything other than that is just speculative. Particularly given how well regarded and reasonably priced Sannies JH is, there is no good reason NOT to grow it, if you're interested!

On your question, in general, some of the Jack Herer lines can put out more indica-like phenos. Haven't tried Sannies version (yet), but his is more stable, and he deliberately selected it for more typical "haze" quality. I think of the two you mentioned, the Amnesia haze is probably going to be more of what you're looking for.

Its also probably the harder of the two to grow, and particularly in your case that matters.

If you're looking for a real sativa, Sannie did have a Columbian Gold x Jamaican Lambsbread F1 for a while. Don't know if he still offers it (or ever will again) but if you're looking for a relatively inexpensive old-school classic pure sativa experience, seems like a really good choice. Note that this one is probably going to be even HARDER to grow, and I'd fully expect hermies. Not really a big deal, unless you're growing a room full of other plants (which I'm guessing you're not).

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I totally agree. for a haze it aint so bad, but IME amnesia certainly needs a decent amount of attention.

Personally ive had SSH that was much more sativa than any Jack Herer ive had. I hate to bring it up, but, i had the chance to smoke some SLH that was amazing. Grew the GHS version EDIT: meant to say: grew the GHS version of the super lemon haze and it grew good and all but, the final product was a total waste of time. freakin awful quality. i couldnt believe the difference. seriously.

you need a hybrid like OG kush, or Critical + maybe even barney's critical kush i didnt realise u only have a 150 HPS. u need a small compact, vigorous, and fast flowering hybrid.

I highly suggest Critical + and not vegging it very long. og kush takes a lot longer to grow in total than critical +.

i dont have any exp. with critical kush, but i loved growing the other two seperately.

another good one that i can personally vouch for is G13 Labs Pineapple Express. Yield, Quick flower, Great final product. Very sativa both times i grew it. first one was more fruity-topical-rubbery. last one was very piney. hardly any leaves and super vigorous, just like the critical +

PLZ consider G13 labs PE or Dinafem Critical + you can find alot of good grows on them if u take the time to look for them.

EDIT: or at least who ever else ends up reading this with a similar issue and needs. i just know the amnesia i had wouldnt have fit the bill. sry to drag other strains into this.