i started my plants in the jiffy peat pellets (after germinating) i got 2 seeds to germinate and they're both still alive. check out my grow, im trying to post every day..im using 2 24watt vho 2 foot flourescent tubes, and 4 4 foot 40 watt flurescent tubes..i bought the 2 footers, fixture and bulb, for about 30 bucks each, very nice 2100 lumens each, plants seem to love it and i can keep the bulbs about 1-2 inches right above the plant without them getting any heat strain