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olafthegreen

olafthegreen

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Argh!!

Just noticed 2 of the plants have browning on some of the leaves by the buds...

I hope it’s just nutrient related and have just flushed them both, what do you guys think??

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H.A.F.

H.A.F.

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olafthegreen said:
Day 47 of flip side... still a bit of growing going on with sugar leaves on couple of plants...

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Looking fat. How's your temps? A little curl on some of those upper leaves looks light/heat related. If you had a little nute issue a little too much light or heat just speeds up it showing the effects, and up top by the lights is where that will happen first. Sounds like you did what you were supposed to.
 
olafthegreen

olafthegreen

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H.A.F. said:
How's your temps?
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Temps are high, 25-30. The humidity is tricky to control too, but I've kinda got it as good as I can, goes between 40-60 now.

It's meant to get really hot soon so I'm going to have to change the 250W for the LED I think. That should hopefully keep things manageable.

Good to know that stresses to the plant are compounded!
 
SilentBob024

SilentBob024

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H.A.F. said:
Not wanting to hijack the thread, but looking at the flowers above, I think you would impress yourself with QB's. The short of it is that the light penetration is phenomenal, and it doesn't create much heat. I'd be interested in seeing a side-by-side grow of a plant with and without co2. I mean, "my plants got older and the buds got fatter" is pretty much how the plants work... Did the co2 actually do anything?

I guess my thing is that there are plenty of things during the grow you can do to boost production like pruning, LST, HST, or even adding the right nutes at the right time not based on some schedule but on what your plants are asking for. I just think the $$$ and effort spent elsewhere might be better spent.
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Well I know clones lose a little pizzazz as you continue cloning, but I've had a run start to finish using the co2 bags and one that has only had it maybe a third of the time as I ran out and couldn't get more due to it being out of stock here in this tiny ass city. The run that always had it turned out better overall from quality to smell even. Just. Stronger both ways with the enhancer. I mean I'm a bit picky so maybe that's why I even notice it in the first place? I don't know. I'll stand by it though. I mean we all claim we stand by our grow options. the enhancer, and cmh lights seem to be what does the best for me personally. I get what you mean oh plants get older buds get fatter, I suppose I was a bit vague. What I mean is I'd swear solidly that the buds were fatter when using these options than not. Like they swole up way better, more bud sites and so on. Cmh had better light penetration. The co2 bottle seemed to hell the plant feed itself so to speak. Plus canna boost helps lol but anyways. No I just notice my own differences. I wish I had a second room I could grow in so I could try a side by side so to speak.
 
H.A.F.

H.A.F.

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There are a hoard of "enhancers", from splitting the stem, to a dark period, adding certain "magic" nutes at certain times, whatever.
I am not saying that none of them work. I am saying that I would need to see side by side proof with a control (preferably clones from same mother) before I waste money or time on it. That said, most of them also fall into the "can't hurt" category
 
olafthegreen

olafthegreen

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Day 51 of flowering, noticed that some of the lower colas were maturing faster than the top ones. Decided this must be heat related and changed the 250W for the blurple LED I have here. It’s been 2 days and they seem much happier. Should have done that earlier, but I guess that’s a good learning experience for me.

Some are supposed to be done this week; but it looks to me like still a few weeks, I suspect the heat slowed them down.

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TJ_BASS

TJ_BASS

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How high are your lights? There’s a bit of a foxtailing going on. Maybe genetic or light stress?
 
H.A.F.

H.A.F.

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olafthegreen said:
Day 51 of flowering, noticed that some of the lower colas were maturing faster than the top ones.
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One reason is that the top cola tend to be the ones to really fatten up. So while they are putting out plenty of new calyxes and pistils, the lower ones just spit out one or two. You have some old stuff in the middle of those tops that is just as ripe as those lowers. They just don't have the new growth popping lots of new pistils. Getting ripe naturally is not a bad thing.

Changing what you are doing when your plants look beautiful and are thriving is questionable. Now is when they need the most/best light. Food for thought.
 
olafthegreen

olafthegreen

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H.A.F. said:
Changing what you are doing when your plants look beautiful and are thriving is questionable. Now is when they need the most/best light. Food for thought.
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Yeah totally agree with you and I would have much preferred to do nothing, which is why I left it so long to do the change.

Its 35C here today, pretty sure the heat from both lamps have been causing the slight foxtailing, and that's when it was only 25C outside. I had no choice but to change otherwise in the tent it will be about 35+ .

The plants were starting to show major signs of stress from everything so, I dialed back the nutes a little and changed the light.

Temps are way better, and the plants seem less stressed.

Ideally I would have kept the conditions in April for the whole year (from a growing perspective).

I live in a mountainous place where it's flipping cold in winter and real hot in summer.

H.A.F. said:
One reason is that the top cola tend to be the ones to really fatten up. So while they are putting out plenty of new calyxes and pistils, the lower ones just spit out one or two. You have some old stuff in the middle of those tops that is just as ripe as those lowers. They just don't have the new growth popping lots of new pistils. Getting ripe naturally is not a bad thing.
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That makes total sense, I was sure they were looking browner before!
 
H.A.F.

H.A.F.

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olafthegreen said:
Yeah totally agree with you and I would have much preferred to do nothing, which is why I left it so long to do the change.

Its 35C here today, pretty sure the heat from both lamps have been causing the slight foxtailing, and that's when it was only 25C outside. I had no choice but to change otherwise in the tent it will be about 35+ .

The plants were starting to show major signs of stress from everything so, I dialed back the nutes a little and changed the light.

Temps are way better, and the plants seem less stressed.

Ideally I would have kept the conditions in April for the whole year (from a growing perspective).

I live in a mountainous place where it's flipping cold in winter and real hot in summer.


That makes total sense, I was sure they were looking browner before!
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I wasn't commenting on the overall health of the plant, just the bud formation. Foxtails are not necessarily bad. Some strains are bred for it. It's free density as long as it's not stress related. So the call as always is yours, but that is also a good way to have the bulk of your crop at the perfect ripeness you want, then have some super-ripe couchy-locky stuff from the same plant.
 
H.A.F.

H.A.F.

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Another thing to consider is how much time the plant has left. It's usually about a month after you see brown pistils, and you have quite a few. At some point, the leaves don't matter and become sacrificial.

Your plants are still all green, so it's probably not nutes. It also isn't light - but the heat from the lights. If you can sort it so that you can have more light with less heat, that's the ticket. If changing lights is your only option, well, there you go. But if you can increase the exhaust, add fans, etc. I would try that before lowering the light intensity. Just my opinion.

I have adjusted my home thermostat to 71F (from 73) and am paying a little more on the electric, just to keep my temps perfect ;)
 
olafthegreen

olafthegreen

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H.A.F. said:
Your plants are still all green, so it's probably not nutes. It also isn't light - but the heat from the lights. If you can sort it so that you can have more light with less heat, that's the ticket. If changing lights is your only option, well, there you go. But if you can increase the exhaust, add fans, etc. I would try that before lowering the light intensity. Just my opinion.

I have adjusted my home thermostat to 71F (from 73) and am paying a little more on the electric, just to keep my temps perfect ;)
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I literally tried everything to this point short of buying an AC unit. Which I will buy for next year!

Tried adding fans, changing positions of fans, changing height of lights, setting exhaust on max, additional exterior fans, venting outside instead of the same space, using cool tubes, etc.... Was still sitting around 30C where the tips of the buds are - even when ambient temp in there was 18C!. I've still got a 600W in there and the 300W led (possible 90W draw). which replaced the 250W HPS.

Air con is the best solution, but it's only hot here for 2-3 months of the year. It would be better to time it so that I'm at the start of veg at that time and I don't need max lights. But I didn't have any idea what I was doing 5 months ago. Since then I have read. A lot. :-)

Ideally I've have all 3 lights in there, but I think that's a job for winter. Going to probably invest in proper LED next.
 
H.A.F.

H.A.F.

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Before you invest in AC, different lights might be cheaper. The thing I have liked about the Quantum Boards is that there is no internal electronics-cooling fan that blows heat around (like blurples), and they don't create enough heat to need them like CMH, HPS etc. They are cheaper on the electric but get better light penetration (fatter buds - even lower on the plant) - and all you really need is exhaust. the heat naturally rises.

I should add that I have a 300w, and a 600/1200w blurple in a drawer. I might bust them out if I have a light go down but that would only be for as long as it took to get a replacement QB ;)
 
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