noobgrow10111
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For sure I’ll do that in my next grow but I am determined fail or not to see this till the end with this plant just to make sure I keep learning
First Grow, Huge Leaf Isse, Please HELP
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edit: there is runoff I spoke too soon lol
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I am back my ph meter has arrived and I just tested the tap water I am using. The PH of the water I have been using is 7.6 and the soil ph is around 7ph. So what should I do now? Could this explain the downward cupping of the leaves and curling? Thanks please get back to me on this. When I water next I’ll see if I’m about to do the run off and I may do a flush if needed
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Hey so I’m not sure still haven’t watered since last time and I posted a photo of the ph thinking of flushing the plant as I think it could be a lock out i don’t even know tbh anyways here’s some photos of the plant. I thought it could of been wind burn because the fan I had was pretty strong so I put in a computer fan which is a bit slower. Here’s some photos what how it’s looking now please see if you could give me some advice. Thanks
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I think all you need to do now is water the plants properly, check ph of the water before you do the watering and adjust the ph so it is good for soil, and observe. If you haven't watered your plants in a while and the soil is dry, then that might be the reason why your leaves look like they want to die. I hope you kept notes during this grow so you can go back and not do what you did wrong for this grow. Plants aren't that complicated as long as you do the proper research into how to grow a plant and not rely solely on forums for what to do next. Forums are good advice but you need the foundation of what a plant needs plain and simple.
Wind burn would make your leaves look even worse than they do now.
Water the plant.
Wind burn would make your leaves look even worse than they do now.
Water the plant.
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From these latest pics, it seems the cupping has gotten a bit worse. The only 2 times that happened to me, except mine was a bit more exaggerated, it had to do with too much nitrogen. Now seeing the claw on the tips, as well as the cupping, leads me to believe that it's an issue with too much nitrogen.
Yes, ph of tap water is usually higher, mine rests around 8 usually, but if you say your medium is around 7..hopefully not above, but if it's close, it's ok. Ideally you would want it a bit lower, closer to 6.5 is good, but either way, the cupping of the leaf is not ph related!
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Alright well I did add some tomato fertiliser stupidly and got one leaf with a bit of a yellow burn as well on the tip so I do agree for sure there’s too much nitrogen. Should I do a flush of the plant and could this help? Thanks again for your help I’m honestly taking so many notes ahah thanks man
It's hard to say really. Not knowing what's been dumped in along the way, in what concentrations, it's hard to say if the root system is in bad shape. The plant was never showing signs of anything ph related, the cupping was not related to lack of nutrients.
To flush, will stress the plant right as it's entering flower, however, if there is too much nitrogen, it will hinder the plant from drinking properly and initiating flowering, it's your call as again, not knowing exactly what has been put in in what amounts, tough to say which way to go.
The issues i see, are an issue with watering, and/or drainage of your medium, and the light being much too weak as well.
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Absolutely and for sure I know and I’m using this forum so I can educate myself as much as I can do that when I grow next tine I won’t make the same mistakes. Again this is my first time and I’m trying to not put much money in and I know the saying of you get out what you put in so I am just using this as a real learning experience for now.
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I may do a flush as I feel that it may be vital and if it goes wrong well then I will just use it as a learning experience but if not it’s good but look the plants not getting any better at this stage so I might as well. In relation to the light I have a 400w led coming so for two plants it will be good and enough for what I am doing.
Do you think Issues could be from me having the wardrobe doors closed for 12 hours? I don’t have a intake or outtake fan. There’s just a fan in there blowing air around but seeing the doors are closed of my wardrobe there’s no real way the plant can be getting co2. I leave the doors open when the lights are on but about 10 minuets before they go off I close them and make sure there’s no light getting in. Do you reckon this could be causing some issue with the dropping cupping leaves? When I was in veg I also left the door closed when I went to sleep at night as the light would light up my room and thus as said before I don’t have an exhaust fan or intake, just a fan in there circulating air around. Idk if this could be contributing to the issues but if not, I’ll just do a flush tomorrow and see how that goes it’s most likely my last resort.
In relation to the soil, I think the drainage of it is alright it’s a potting mix and the water does come out the bottom alright and it’s mixxed wit perlite. It does have a slow release of nutrients which I know is artificial nitrogen thus making me only want to flush the plant even more ASAP
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Hi so I just phed the water of my run off. So the water going into my plant was 6.0ph and the run off water was 5.7ph. The soil ph is 7ph. I’m not sure what this means now in relation to my cupping and all but I’ll be flushing soon. Please if you have some time advise me on if these ph levels are ok or if this could be the cause of my issue. Thanks
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Something is obviously off with those readings. If the values are accurate, then either the water in/out is off, or the probe is off, as you can't have 6.0 going in, coming out at 5.7 and medium is 7? That doesn't add up. Again, measuring runoff can be unreliable, those probes are for sure not reliable either for testing ph of medium.
Either way, again, if this was related to ph, then you would have a lockout of nutrients, which would be evident on the leaves by deficiencies. Your leaves are fine in terms of color, the cupping appears to be too much nitrogen for now, but was that the case all along? i can't tell since it can't be fully known what concentration (ppm's) you have been giving up to now in feedings.
I saw the small space you're growing in, it's why i said drainage..not necessarily that water doesn't drain out the bottom, but rather how fast the medium dries out. You're watering has been off by giving small amounts and too often, and then in a small space, with low lighting, the plant doesn't drink that much and air movement is minimal as well.
As for your worry about co2, with low lighting, the co2 that is naturally around, is enough. The plants don't need more, as they don't have the necessary light to photosynthesize and take advantage of the extra co2. Plus, you only close the doors in the dark...plants use oxygen and release co2 in the dark..only during lights on, photosynthesis, do they take in co2 and thus release oxygen.
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Here is some update photos! The cupping is still there and I’m pretty sure it may be due to too much nitrogen so I will flush the plant. As it been around two weeks in flowering I have noticed it streach a lot growing up fast but still no pistils 
anyways if you think it could be something else other than too much nitrogen please tell me and leave some advice for me.
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garyschandling
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Has your lighting situation changed at all? How far are they from the plants canopy? Plant looks like it stretched a lot due to insufficient lighting?
Anthonylbg
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I am a new grower about to harvest woohoo but early in veg mine looked like that nitrogen was high and my roots were starting to ball up . I never flush but did repot her and within days was back to beautiful. Hope ya got yours worked out
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It’s Thursday evening now and on Saturday morning I’ll be putting my plant into a bigger pot then as I have been meaning to do so and I’ll give it a big flush as well with some seaweed extract to help with the transplant. I moved my other plant outside because it’s spring so it can go back into veg and keep growing outside
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Hey so here’s a huge update on my plant and I think this can go either good or bad. So I have got a 450w Viparspectra LED grow light now in replacement of my 50w MH light and hope this will do more. My plant is still suffering from the dropping and the cupping and the crawling of the fanleaves which I still haven’t been able to understand. Tomorrow I will be transplanting the plant into a potting mix but this potting mix has no added nutrients, nothing so I have to do it all myself so I will be adding a bloom liquid fertiliser after I transplant the plant into a bigger pot and flush it with water ph at 6.4ph. I’ll also add seasawl liquid solution to help with the transplant.
With the new light some fan leaves have gone a strange colour I have included photos but not sure what it is, could this be due to the light being too close to the plant? I’m having issues with humidity as well as when the lights are off my humidity goes all the way to 70% which is crazy and I still have the fans on as well so I’m not sure how to prevent with without getting a dehumidifier. I leave one of the wardrobe doors open but due to the strength of the led light I have to keep the other closed so I can sleep at night. I have the AC on at night now to help with the humidity and temps
Also due to it being a few weeks into flowering, I’m not sure if my plant is showing it’s sex yet I have included some photos of the nodes would you be able to identify?
This has been a really challenging grow for me and I have learnt so much from it from nutrients and watering and just growing indoors in general. Please if anyone can look over the photos and provide some feedback it would be appreciated. Thanks all
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Pls someone ahaha anyone got any advice based on those flicks?
For the sexing, i would have no idea as i've never grown males or even seen hermies. As for the rest, again, i don't really have much else to input on this..you're transplanting half way through flower, i have no idea why, it makes no sense really as the plant is no longer growing, and the damage from the nitrogen toxicity has been done, that won't fix itself. Your light that you have, honestly, is probably just as strong as the 50 watt mh..viparspectra is a cheap led light, that does not give off much, and whatever good it is, it's better for veg as it has more blue light than red. Like i said, this issue, even prior to the added nitrogen, was related to environment, i mentioned this in several posts to you..temps/humidity are not letting the pots dry out fast enough, there isn't enough air going through the medium or you are watering too much and/or too often...the plant is quite small, maybe the pot is too big. Best of luck, hope you figure it out for the next grow!