Finally...I'm gonna do it right..well..As right as space permits.

Im not sure if youve ever seen a plant with 30 or 40 tops, but im not sure that it's possible. ive seen a plant topped 3 times with 8 heads and it had to be 5 feet tall to get that far due to the time it takes between toppings. you would be much better off making 30 or 40 clones and flowering them all while very small it would take less time and you would get more product. also, i am a believer in using more lights with lower wattage due to the fact that you get light overlap. if youve got one 1000w hps it only has one light source, due to one bulb. if youve got four 250w hps then you still have 1000w of light but there are 4 sources of light, ie 4 bulbs., which means that there will be a large area that is between lights and receiving light from more than one bulb. this will virtually eliminate your penetration problem because the light isnt limited to one source. Also, depending on your specific lights, you may end up with more lumens per watt with 250s. With my galaxy 250w I get 29,000 initial lumens which is quite a bit more than 1/4 of most 1000w systems lumen output.

speedingximports said:

Im not sure if youve ever seen a plant with 30 or 40 tops, but im not sure that it's possible. ive seen a plant topped 3 times with 8 heads and it had to be 5 feet tall to get that far due to the time it takes between toppings. you would be much better off making 30 or 40 clones and flowering them all while very small it would take less time and you would get more product. also, i am a believer in using more lights with lower wattage due to the fact that you get light overlap. if youve got one 1000w hps it only has one light source, due to one bulb. if youve got four 250w hps then you still have 1000w of light but there are 4 sources of light, ie 4 bulbs., which means that there will be a large area that is between lights and receiving light from more than one bulb. this will virtually eliminate your penetration problem because the light isnt limited to one source. Also, depending on your specific lights, you may end up with more lumens per watt with 250s. With my galaxy 250w I get 29,000 initial lumens which is quite a bit more than 1/4 of most 1000w systems lumen output.

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thank you for your reply , another refreshing post , thanks for not callin names lol , 30 to 40 level top branches is easily done with patience and a lot of top pinching , if you cut one 2 will grow and so on , i had forgotten how resilient (is that the right spelling) these plants really are , its all coming back now, if you water and feed ,it will grow.lol.Also if i dont like the way they look the last week of february then i will just buy a couple 600's off craigslist and flower with those . thank you for your reply , hope to have more.I havnt really been feeding them much , just 5 ml pro gro and a lil superthrive, im gonna up them to 8 ml today .

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here you are again makin me feel like you just post stuff you have read about , just by the way you talk and im sure im not the only one who thinks so , now read on and soak it in genius , a plant that is grown only to one foot is only capable of producing buds of a certain size , i am topping topping topping so that i will have many many tops and ONLY the tops , with all the lower foliage removed during the second week of flowering there is no need for deep penetration , and i mean a level layer of 30 to 40 tops per plant , each bud will only be 4 to 6 inches long each , i dont know why you didnt read the post you responded so wonderfully too better , also they have only been under the 250 watt lights for a couple of weeks now , they were under just 2 little cfl's , the growth was very slow for a bit but is kinda haulin arse now, ta daaaaaaaaaa oh also since the root mass is larger than it would be if growing 1 foot plants the top buds are larger , larger root mass DOES equal larger buds , and dont forget i will repeat myself here , nah jus read it again.

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read what and soak what in?? you didnt tell me anything that i didnt already know and like i said before, if you veg a plant for weeks then only flower the TOP of the plant then you just wasted weeks of resources and money and that makes it a FAIL......... lol i think every word I spent typing on this thread was an otter waste of my time.......

From the very first post you have made it clear you are a total noob and very stuburn about taking good advice........You keep saying its sounds like i "read" the info im saying....lol Yes ive read over 7 grow books cover to cover its called LEARNING LOL.....Not only that i work at a cannibas club and a hydroponics store SO it safe to say i see more and deal with more cannibas and cannibas related topics in ONE DAY then you do ALL YEAR..... If you want to beleive that vegging a plant for a month then only harvesting the top is not a waste of recources then go ahead its your resources it wont cost me anything infact i find it amusing......

Your like one of the noobs that comes into the store and asks me dumb questions about how to grow with a budget of a couple hundred bucks........ Oh wait no your the guy who starting vegging his plants before he even starting building his grow room LOL .... Thats the kinds dumb shit move that we all make fun of after you leave the store... And you really thought in your last post you where going to school me about Topping a plant ?? as if i didnt know what topping does?? lol .......

And im sure it is refreshing to have another person post on your thread since no one ever does...lol ya i bet its real refreshing......

You have argued with me on almost everyting ive told you which makes perfect sense because people dont like being told what there doing is wrong..... and you are no different.....
So ya you are right its perfectly ok to start vegging when you havent even built a growroom and its also perfectly ok to veg a plant for weeks or even months then TOP it and LST it and then put a couple 250w lights over it for 1 foot of penetration.....lol ya all that makes perfect sense.....lol your doing everything right infact you really dont even need to be on here you know so much you are good to go...

speedingximports said:

Im not sure if youve ever seen a plant with 30 or 40 tops, but im not sure that it's possible. ive seen a plant topped 3 times with 8 heads and it had to be 5 feet tall to get that far due to the time it takes between toppings. you would be much better off making 30 or 40 clones and flowering them all while very small it would take less time and you would get more product. also, i am a believer in using more lights with lower wattage due to the fact that you get light overlap. if youve got one 1000w hps it only has one light source, due to one bulb. if youve got four 250w hps then you still have 1000w of light but there are 4 sources of light, ie 4 bulbs., which means that there will be a large area that is between lights and receiving light from more than one bulb. this will virtually eliminate your penetration problem because the light isnt limited to one source. Also, depending on your specific lights, you may end up with more lumens per watt with 250s. With my galaxy 250w I get 29,000 initial lumens which is quite a bit more than 1/4 of most 1000w systems lumen output.

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uumm sounds familiar he just told you that it makes more sense to run a SOG because you are only havesting the tops which is what i already SAID FIRST.....lol but when he says it its reshing.....lol

however yes you get more source of light for better coverage but im sorry have you ever grown with a 1000w and then with 250w lights?? really?? you really see the same dense nuggs with 250w lights?? really?? im sorry but ill buy the more source or light and the better coverage argument but if you think im going buy that 250w in general are better then a 1000w thats just something i cant get behind......I mean come on ive never seen a vendor come into my work with pounds of grade A flowers that he grown from some 250w lights...

speedingximports said:

Im not sure if youve ever seen a plant with 30 or 40 tops, but im not sure that it's possible. ive seen a plant topped 3 times with 8 heads and it had to be 5 feet tall to get that far due to the time it takes between toppings. you would be much better off making 30 or 40 clones and flowering them all while very small it would take less time and you would get more product. also, i am a believer in using more lights with lower wattage due to the fact that you get light overlap. if youve got one 1000w hps it only has one light source, due to one bulb. if youve got four 250w hps then you still have 1000w of light but there are 4 sources of light, ie 4 bulbs., which means that there will be a large area that is between lights and receiving light from more than one bulb. this will virtually eliminate your penetration problem because the light isnt limited to one source. Also, depending on your specific lights, you may end up with more lumens per watt with 250s. With my galaxy 250w I get 29,000 initial lumens which is quite a bit more than 1/4 of most 1000w systems lumen output.

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also it wont eliminate his penatration problem jus because you have more source of light dosent mean the light penetrates further into the canopy...So saying it solves the penatration problem by having mulitpul 250w lights is not true....You still going have the same penatration its only making your coverage better really......Like i said theres not mucn penatration with a 250w i dont care how many you have......

anyone who puts a 250w llight over a 5 foot tall plant is a moron......

FootClan said:

anyone who puts a 250w llight over a 5 foot tall plant is a moron......

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i have come to the conclusion that you are just a 14 year old moron who cant really read that well.Who said anything about 5 foot tall plants , stop talkin about what you have read and stop posting pictures of other peoples grows you damn dumb kid, just the way you type gives yourself away , we all know you can read and post but you obviously have never really grown a plant or you would know that with the right training you can have a six month old plant or however long you wanna grow it for and keep it below whatever height you want , All you do is post post post and hope that someone gives you rep for copying something you saw homebrewer or someone say.Did you know that there is a thread ALL about you doing this? You are fooling no one and im not gonna give you any rep so just do like you said on page 1 or 2 and go sit on your thumb, your posts are not appreciated , however you are still welcome to continue showing people how silly you are by continuing on in youre self-absorbed , youre the best and know everything style.

FootClan said:

uumm sounds familiar he just told you that it makes more sense to run a SOG because you are only havesting the tops which is what i already SAID FIRST.....lol but when he says it its reshing.....lol

however yes you get more source of light for better coverage but im sorry have you ever grown with a 1000w and then with 250w lights?? really?? you really see the same dense nuggs with 250w lights?? really?? im sorry but ill buy the more source or light and the better coverage argument but if you think im going buy that 250w in general are better then a 1000w thats just something i cant get behind......I mean come on ive never seen a vendor come into my work with pounds of grade A flowers that he grown from some 250w lights...

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we all know you work with nancy boys for a living , stop prretending?

I SHOULD CHANGE THE TITLE TO FOOLCLANS FURY , foolclan , all i can say is I am sorry that you think growing weed is so complicated , mabye that was your thing , mabye it made you feel special knowing how to grow weed.....You know what ,you should feel special cause any RETARD can do it....

FootClan said:

also it wont eliminate his penatration problem jus because you have more source of light dosent mean the light penetrates further into the canopy...So saying it solves the penatration problem by having mulitpul 250w lights is not true....You still going have the same penatration its only making your coverage better really......Like i said theres not mucn penatration with a 250w i dont care how many you have......

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i guess you dont understand light science as well as you think you do huh . stop posting when you only know a quarter of what youre talkin about. wow we should be able to TAKE rep.

oh you are on my ignore list foolclan so seeya LOL foolclan

oh also , just so you have to live with not having the last word , im moving to grasscity , happy now , you are the cause of plenty of people leaving this site, kiss kiss lol .

axionjaxson said:

oh also , just so you have to live with not having the last word , im moving to grasscity , happy now , you are the cause of plenty of people leaving this site, kiss kiss lol .

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not really u r just annoying , and if someone tells me the same thing as you i will give them rep and thank them because they were not an arsehole about it

lol...... bye bye.........noob

axionjaxson said:

not really u r just annoying , and if someone tells me the same thing as you i will give them rep and thank them because they were not an arsehole about it

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as if i care who you give rep too. lol.......... thought you were moving to grasscity??

LOL i see you posted something lol but i dont know what you said because as i said i marked you for ignore user so it just says "This message is hidden because foolclan is on your ignore list".lol i'm sure im missing out on some golden info,lol, i will probably get the info from the person who posted it the first time on another thread.lol.

axionjaxson said:

LOL i see you posted something lol but i dont know what you said because as i said i marked you for ignore user so it just says "This message is hidden because foolclan is on your ignore list".lol i'm sure im missing out on some golden info,lol, i will probably get the info from the person who posted it the first time on another thread.lol.

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thats ok everyone else can still see it.....lol......

lol another message im not gonna read , shouldnt you be in school poser?

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