Fems own Regs - the best out of 200 female genotypes

Yodaweed said:

From my experience stem rubs are not reliable, look for characteristics and desirable traits when selecting a male like veg growth speed, flowering growth speed, tric production ( yes males can be frosty too) , total flowering duration, size. Good luck on your breeding attempts!

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All of the above is good, took me several to find this one, stunk up my basement like I had been flowering a female, haven't had that before so hoping it's "the one". Just waiting for the first seeds to cure that I hit with this stud, took a couple of clones until I test the results. Nothing wrong with fems but this is much more fun, kind of like trying to find Waldo

GroErr said:

All of the above is good, took me several to find this one, stunk up my basement like I had been flowering a female, haven't had that before so hoping it's "the one". Just waiting for the first seeds to cure that I hit with this stud, took a couple of clones until I test the results. Nothing wrong with fems but this is much more fun, kind of like trying to find Waldo
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Good luck hope you get some good seeds that thing does look pretty good.

[QBut as far as breeders "working" lines anymore, I don't really see it anymore, and I myself have been guilty of it. JUst get it done, get it tested, put it out there, move onUOTE="BadInfluence, post: 12123940, member: 314729"]Wouldn't the breeder try to get the best pheno out of his regulars to make the fems? So i would think that the mother was selected for a reason and i would expect the fems to be more uniform with fewer phenos.
So if you're unlucky with your regulars you get 6 out of 10 males and 3 out of the 4 girls are the "wrong" pheno. With the fems you get 10 out of 10 females and since they came from a pre-selected mother you probably get at least 5 of the nice pheno. Most fems i have seen were very similar to each other.
Then it depends if you have the resources to find the right mother and grow the clones or if you have limited space and just 3 months to pull it all off. I think many people are really glad that fems exist.[/QUOTE]



But it does not quite work like that first of all there are 2 ways to make fem seeds forced or chemical both in which bring negatives right off the bat forced being you brought out the Hermi gene which is any breeders night mare , secondly is chemical which again has neg draw backs in the organic community, or organic farming regulations
Selfing is a great way to preserve a clone only strain or a old strain that might be on verge of extinction , but the problem is that selfing does not guarantee you a identical copy of the mother plant you selfed..
If it's not a true breeding strain that you made S1 or what ever... I'll use Grape Stomper/Sour Grapes for example... Not only will you get a ton of different phenotypes but you also have males pop up in the line. Now I personally, would care if there's males in my fem seeds, but most people do who buy Feminized seeds. This has happened time after time again with strains like Blue Dream and others.
I don't know many breeders who have worked their seedlines down to one - two phenotypes any longer and produce true IBL's. I've done this with two strains in my lifetime, and it takes years and years
So in the end the main concern here is that you may end up with a few males a low percentage of the time from buying fem seed... If you use a plant that hermaphrodites under stress, it will show up in a regular seedline OR a fem seedline... Key there is to test what you have and KNOW what you have.... and You can get multi phenotypes if you breed with any sort of polyhybrid or unworked seedline.
But as far as breeders "working" lines anymore, I don't really see it anymore, and I myself have been guilty of it. JUst get it done, get it tested, put it out there, move on
If a person wants to be able to stay afloat in the seed economy and are relying on it as their income, they have to adapt - THAT IS unless they have high times bought out and have a legion of newbies to sport their shirts.

BadInfluence said:

Wouldn't the breeder try to get the best pheno out of his regulars to make the fems? So i would think that the mother was selected for a reason and i would expect the fems to be more uniform with fewer phenos.
So if you're unlucky with your regulars you get 6 out of 10 males and 3 out of the 4 girls are the "wrong" pheno. With the fems you get 10 out of 10 females and since they came from a pre-selected mother you probably get at least 5 of the nice pheno. Most fems i have seen were very similar to each other.

Then it depends if you have the resources to find the right mother and grow the clones or if you have limited space and just 3 months to pull it all off. I think many people are really glad that fems exist.

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The breeders I'm familiar with with don't make Fem's from their f1's but select females from the orginal breeding stock and reverse one of them.

Take Ace seeds for example, their golden tiger is malawi x thai, when making Fems they select females from each of the two lines and reverse one of them, they don't revese a golden tiger f1 to hit another golden tiger f1.

And let's be real, most breeder can't tell you much about the different phenos you'll find.

Nothing wrong with Fems btw... They certainly have a place in the market and they aren't any better or worse when comparing the exact same genetic make-up.

2ANONYMOUS said:

I have pounds of organic grown and chemical grown i bet you could not tell the diference

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i can.ive smoked soil grown for so many years,when i occassionally smoke bud grown with synthetic nutrients,i can tell.and i know for some ppl that works the other way round.

2ANONYMOUS said:

But it does not quite work like that first of all there are 2 ways to make fem seeds forced or chemical both in which bring negatives right off the bat forced being you brought out the Hermi gene which is any breeders night mare , secondly is chemical which again has neg draw backs in the organic community, or organic farming regulations
Selfing is a great way to preserve a clone only strain or a old strain that might be on verge of extinction , but the problem is that selfing does not guarantee you a identical copy of the mother plant you selfed..
If it's not a true breeding strain that you made S1 or what ever... I'll use Grape Stomper/Sour Grapes for example... Not only will you get a ton of different phenotypes but you also have males pop up in the line. Now I personally, would care if there's males in my fem seeds, but most people do who buy Feminized seeds. This has happened time after time again with strains like Blue Dream and others.
I don't know many breeders who have worked their seedlines down to one - two phenotypes any longer and produce true IBL's. I've done this with two strains in my lifetime, and it takes years and years
So in the end the main concern here is that you may end up with a few males a low percentage of the time from buying fem seed... If you use a plant that hermaphrodites under stress, it will show up in a regular seedline OR a fem seedline... Key there is to test what you have and KNOW what you have.... and You can get multi phenotypes if you breed with any sort of polyhybrid or unworked seedline.
But as far as breeders "working" lines anymore, I don't really see it anymore, and I myself have been guilty of it. JUst get it done, get it tested, put it out there, move on
If a person wants to be able to stay afloat in the seed economy and are relying on it as their income, they have to adapt - THAT IS unless they have high times bought out and have a legion of newbies to sport their shirts.

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Fair enough, i don't claim to have any scientific knowledge and it is always more complex with cannabis as you first think. Our grows were pretty much 50/50 fems/reg, i have never seen a male coming from a feminized seed but maybe that was just lucky. I have seen hermies from regs and fems but who knows if it was genetics or stress.
However, some breeders seem to know what they are doing, there are some feminized seeds out there i would happily buy again.

Ohhh im loving thatn alien og from all the pics you sent. Just my 2 cents, I dont see anything wrong with feminize...remember 20 years ago when we buy fruits like oranges and grapes? But now we enjoy eating them with no seeds. I just dont grow weed i also grow trees. If you plant a lemon or any kind of fruits from seeds. Theres a higher chances that it will bare a different fruit or no fruit at all. So not all things human touch turn to destruction.

2ANONYMOUS said:

I have pounds of organic grown and chemical grown i bet you could not tell the diference

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I have 2 grapes for christmas one i bought seedless and one i bought seeded. I wouldnt tell the difference between the taste until i tried it. I always grow natural soil, theres only a few times i play wd synth. The taste from natural are better for me though...dont mind me i dont know what im talkin about. Too stoned

littleflavio said:

Ohhh im loving thatn alien og from all the pics you sent. Just my 2 cents, I dont see anything wrong with feminize...remember 20 years ago when we buy fruits like oranges and grapes? But now we enjoy eating them with no seeds. I just dont grow weed i also grow trees. If you plant a lemon or any kind of fruits from seeds. Theres a higher chances that it will bare a different fruit or no fruit at all. So not all things human touch turn to destruction.

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Say that to the number 1 fruit that might go Extinct the Banana not sure if you ever ate a Gros michel Banana i have

In the mid 1900s, the most popular banana in the world—a sweet, creamy variety called Gros Michel grown in Latin America—all but disappeared from the planet. At the time, it was the only banana in the world that could be exported. But a fungus, known as Panama Disease, which first appeared in Australia in the late 1800s, changed that after jumping continents. The disease debilitated the plants that bore the fruit. The damage was so great and swift that in a matter of only a few decades the Gros Michel nearly went extinct.

Now, half a century later, a new strain of the disease is threatening the existence of the Cavendish, the banana that replaced the Gros Michel as the world's top banana export, representing 99 percent of the market, along with a number of banana varieties produced and eaten locally around the world.

And there is no known way to stop it—or even contain it.

That's the troubling conclusion of a new study published in PLOS Pathogens, which confirmed something many agricultural scientists have feared to be true: that dying banana plants in various parts of the world are suffering from the same exact thing: Tropical Race 4, a more potent mutation of the much feared Panama Disease.

Specifically, the researchers warn that the strain, which first began wreaking havoc in Southeast Asia some 50 years ago and has more recently spread to other parts of Asia, Africa, the Middle East, and Australia, will eventually make its way to Latin America, where the vast majority of the world's banana exports are still grown. At this point, they say, it's not a question of whether Tropical Race 4 will infiltrate the mothership of global banana production; it's a matter of when.

The reason the original disease and its latest permutation are so threatening to bananas is largely a result of the way in which we have cultivated the fruit. While dozens of different varieties are grown around the world, often in close proximity to one another, commercially produced bananas are all the same (quite literally in fact, because they are effectively clones of each other).

This helps companies like Dole and Chiquita control for consistency and produce massive amounts of bananas on the cheap without having to deal with imperfections (it's the reason why the fruit is so easy to find at supermarkets everywhere). But it also makes their bananas incredibly vulnerable to attacks from pests and disease. When you get rid of variety entirely, you risk exposing a crop to something it can neither cope with nor evolve to defend itself against.

SupraSPL said:

Ya man that Kandy Kush is a real ice ball. It does prefer cooler canopy temps <80F, gets much frostier and denser. Very mold resistant. Great yield. Chemmy OG flammable aroma, super potency. Flops everywhere but I don't mind tying it up
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I am surprised that I have not seen more about Kandy Kush!!! It has been one of my favorites since 2011.

awesome thread. No, I don't have anything of value to contribute.

I just chopped a SSH fem. After a couple weeks I'll let ya know.

2ANONYMOUS said:

Say that to the number 1 fruit that might go Extinct the Banana not sure if you ever ate a Gros michel Banana i have

In the mid 1900s, the most popular banana in the world—a sweet, creamy variety called Gros Michel grown in Latin America—all but disappeared from the planet. At the time, it was the only banana in the world that could be exported. But a fungus, known as Panama Disease, which first appeared in Australia in the late 1800s, changed that after jumping continents. The disease debilitated the plants that bore the fruit. The damage was so great and swift that in a matter of only a few decades the Gros Michel nearly went extinct.

Now, half a century later, a new strain of the disease is threatening the existence of the Cavendish, the banana that replaced the Gros Michel as the world's top banana export, representing 99 percent of the market, along with a number of banana varieties produced and eaten locally around the world.

And there is no known way to stop it—or even contain it.

That's the troubling conclusion of a new study published in PLOS Pathogens, which confirmed something many agricultural scientists have feared to be true: that dying banana plants in various parts of the world are suffering from the same exact thing: Tropical Race 4, a more potent mutation of the much feared Panama Disease.

Specifically, the researchers warn that the strain, which first began wreaking havoc in Southeast Asia some 50 years ago and has more recently spread to other parts of Asia, Africa, the Middle East, and Australia, will eventually make its way to Latin America, where the vast majority of the world's banana exports are still grown. At this point, they say, it's not a question of whether Tropical Race 4 will infiltrate the mothership of global banana production; it's a matter of when.

The reason the original disease and its latest permutation are so threatening to bananas is largely a result of the way in which we have cultivated the fruit. While dozens of different varieties are grown around the world, often in close proximity to one another, commercially produced bananas are all the same (quite literally in fact, because they are effectively clones of each other).

This helps companies like Dole and Chiquita control for consistency and produce massive amounts of bananas on the cheap without having to deal with imperfections (it's the reason why the fruit is so easy to find at supermarkets everywhere). But it also makes their bananas incredibly vulnerable to attacks from pests and disease. When you get rid of variety entirely, you risk exposing a crop to something it can neither cope with nor evolve to defend itself against.

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Good knowing that. It makes ablot of sense specially when ur stoned. Even though i dont like banana that much, and as much as i want to smoke banana kush. That makes a lot point mate. I actually live in a country where export a lot of bananas, bananas are cheap u get a whole banana for less than 5USD. Anywho, back to the topic i usually buy regulars and feminize at the same time. Regulars so i could cross strain. Feminize so i wouldnt waste time and effort if all 9 out of 10 plants turned male on me, which has already.

.I am not here to try to change anyone's mind at at which is better or fem Vs reg do what you think is best for your situation ,,
My argument using the banana as a example is you can almost put mono culture and feminized seeds in the same category
how i come to this conclusion is when we rely on extremely narrow genetics within a feminized strain. They all tell the same basic story: over-reliance on a single genotype is a bad idea,
And with bottlenecking of Fems taking away the availability to evolve ,
Fem seeds have been around or a little while now who knows what it 25 - 50 years what might happen or something some how becomes irreversible who the hell really knows
I am just saying persnally all living organisms / DNA genetics need diversity in order to survive and evolve taking away that code can only mean one thing eventual extinction
Feminized seeds is poorly fitted as to how nature works i mean with diversity breaks disease and pest outbreaks ..
But again this is just my concepts Feminized seeds is still in its early infant stage in grande scheme of things ,, but i surely would hate to of supported it only to find out it was or is the main culprit 25 - 50 years from now that somehow changes the balance of our beloved plant like same situation the many other species of animals and plants man has interfered with and destroyed
Reg Seed grower for Ever

2ANONYMOUS said:

.I am not here to try to change anyone's mind at at which is better or fem Vs reg do what you think is best for your situation ,,
My argument using the banana as a example is you can almost put mono culture and feminized seeds in the same category
how i come to this conclusion is when we rely on extremely narrow genetics within a feminized strain. They all tell the same basic story: over-reliance on a single genotype is a bad idea,
And with bottlenecking of Fems taking away the availability to evolve ,
Fem seeds have been around or a little while now who knows what it 25 - 50 years what might happen or something some how becomes irreversible who the hell really knows
I am just saying persnally all living organisms / DNA genetics need diversity in order to survive and evolve taking away that code can only mean one thing eventual extinction
Feminized seeds is poorly fitted as to how nature works i mean with diversity breaks disease and pest outbreaks ..
But again this is just my concepts Feminized seeds is still in its early infant stage in grande scheme of things ,, but i surely would hate to of supported it only to find out it was or is the main culprit 25 - 50 years from now that somehow changes the balance of our beloved plant like same situation the many other species of animals and plants man has interfered with and destroyed
Reg Seed grower for Ever

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Well why doe cannabis hermie in the wild and when a female plant hermies it has only female genetics those producing only female plants. Here's a video you should watch

Interesting video @REALSTYLES

Hahaha I just dropped some reg seeds today Ogiesel and Jedi Kush today and 5 fem seeds Chem Valley Kush, CBD OG, Purple Diesel, Blue Diesel and LA Cookies. To be honest I think clones are better than seeds due to the turn around which is much faster. I use seeds to find a mom that I'll run with.


Thin Mint Cookie clones lol You can't get this in seed form

2ANONYMOUS said:

.I am not here to try to change anyone's mind at at which is better or fem Vs reg do what you think is best for your situation ,,
My argument using the banana as a example is you can almost put mono culture and feminized seeds in the same category
how i come to this conclusion is when we rely on extremely narrow genetics within a feminized strain. They all tell the same basic story: over-reliance on a single genotype is a bad idea,
And with bottlenecking of Fems taking away the availability to evolve ,
Fem seeds have been around or a little while now who knows what it 25 - 50 years what might happen or something some how becomes irreversible who the hell really knows
I am just saying persnally all living organisms / DNA genetics need diversity in order to survive and evolve taking away that code can only mean one thing eventual extinction
Feminized seeds is poorly fitted as to how nature works i mean with diversity breaks disease and pest outbreaks ..
But again this is just my concepts Feminized seeds is still in its early infant stage in grande scheme of things ,, but i surely would hate to of supported it only to find out it was or is the main culprit 25 - 50 years from now that somehow changes the balance of our beloved plant like same situation the many other species of animals and plants man has interfered with and destroyed
Reg Seed grower for Ever

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Luckily this can never happen to cannabis so you need another reason to dislike fems.. A. It's nothing like bananas although that was interesting, There is mad variation across strains we aren't all growing only sour d so what does it matter if a guy here and there are using fems same principle as why weed will never be commercialized by cigarette companies, it's just everywhere, so many grows so one person's genetic blunder is not going to affect the species at all. With the amount of micro grows, cannabis is one of the safest species on the planet!
B. There will always be someone growing regs as well so truly there's nothing catastrophic that can happen short of a horrible fungus in which case we all start having to burn our waste and not pass cuttings and such measures but that won't be caused by fems if that were going to happen it would regardless. I think you're just being puritanical.. And that's your prerogative I personally grow with both so just an observation I'm not trying to make fems out to be any better or worse, all in what you're looking for.. On a side note many many many people who buy fems are like my buddy, they buy them simply to not waste real estate and time, which means one thing, MOST people growing fems are interested in one and done and fewer make a mother but almost all of them aren't interested in breeding. Fems have a market niche toward growers that are interested in speed and product not genetics so much or breeding.

REALSTYLES said:

Hahaha I just dropped some reg seeds today Ogiesel and Jedi Kush today and 5 fem seeds Chem Valley Kush, CBD OG, Purple Diesel, Blue Diesel and LA Cookies. To be honest I think clones are better than seeds due to the turn around which is much faster. I use seeds to find a mom that I'll run with.


Thin Mint Cookie clones lol You can't get this in seed form
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The term clone alone speaks for itself. If anyone hatin fems, sbould ask themselves

REALSTYLES said:

Hahaha I just dropped some reg seeds today Ogiesel and Jedi Kush today and 5 fem seeds Chem Valley Kush, CBD OG, Purple Diesel, Blue Diesel and LA Cookies. To be honest I think clones are better than seeds due to the turn around which is much faster. I use seeds to find a mom that I'll run with.


Thin Mint Cookie clones lol You can't get this in seed form
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I need to move out west.