Feeding my plants just water??

Smithy1

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Hello there folks I have a few plants in at the moment under a 600w hps they are doing well, Little seedlings around 2-3 weeks old looking nice and healthy, Question is can I get away with just feeding them water their rest off there lifespan? Or is it best to add a little nutrients when flowering, Obviosly if I just stick to water then I will get lesser yields etc. I've read around the forums and said its best to add a little nutrients around 3-4 weeks old, I'm using Jacks Magic soil and I've mixed perlite and Vercumilite in it. All advice appreciated folks.
 
vostok

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Vercumilite will hold water hence hold nutes when added

be cautious here

a teaspoon of your pee to a gallon of water is ample nute for veg growth

later a shot of calmag some (P) and (K) like sand or rock can be added in bud

but generally it is a WEED ya know

this current fad of adding commercial sewage/bottled nutes is just a recent uhmerican fad

good luck

ps learn to grow with no ph crap of bottled stuff

does make a better grower for when you hit the organics forum

organic is where you wanna be 1 years from now

good luck
 
Smithy1

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vostok said:
Vercumilite will hold water hence hold nutes when added

be cautious here

a teaspoon of your pee to a gallon of water is ample nute for veg growth

later a shot of calmag some (P) and (K) like sand or rock can be added in bud

but generally it is a WEED ya know

this current fad of adding commercial sewage/bottled nutes is just a recent uhmerican fad

good luck

ps learn to grow with no ph crap of bottled stuff

does make a better grower for when you hit the organics forum

organic is where you wanna be 1 years from now

good luck
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Thanks for your advice mate so far my little seedling are doing brilliant, I stayed away from all the soil with added nutrients in that release them over time but I have got some miracle grow pellets here, Now I know some people stay away from anything associated with Miracle grow with all the shite in it, But is it worth givin them a little bit of that in a few weeks to help them along a little, Cheers for your advice bud.
 
bezalom

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vostok said:
Vercumilite will hold water hence hold nutes when added

be cautious here

a teaspoon of your pee to a gallon of water is ample nute for veg growth

later a shot of calmag some (P) and (K) like sand or rock can be added in bud

but generally it is a WEED ya know

this current fad of adding commercial sewage/bottled nutes is just a recent uhmerican fad

good luck

ps learn to grow with no ph crap of bottled stuff

does make a better grower for when you hit the organics forum

organic is where you wanna be 1 years from now

good luck
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YES....glad to see I'm not alone! Do what this guys says!

I grow Organic and only feed seedlings/clones a small dose of cal-mag if (and when) needed. And then cal-mag again if needed at 4-5 weeks (or organic bloom booster or both) if fade comes too early.

Only push I know of that works is extra water during stretch.

late feeding makes for bad taste and may delay amber trichs indefinitely
 
Smithy1

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bezalom said:
YES....glad to see I'm not alone! Do what this guys says!

I grow Organic and only feed seedlings/clones a small dose of cal-mag if (and when) needed. And then cal-mag again if needed at 4-5 weeks (or organic bloom booster or both) if fade comes too early.

Only push I know of that works is extra water during stretch.

late feeding makes for bad taste and may delay amber trichs indefinitely
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Thanks for your advice, I will keep them on water, Is this the calming you are on about?

https://www.hydroponics-hydroponics.com/nutrients-additives-c42/canna-c43/canna-calmag-agent-1-litre-p590/s1353?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=canna-calmag-agent-1-litre-size-1-litre-size-1-litre&utm_campaign=product+listing+ads&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI76KFy-a32wIV4Z3tCh09dwCYEAQYASABEgJi1_D_BwE

If it is how do you got about feeding your plants etc? All advice appreciated!
 
bezalom

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Smithy1 said:
Thanks for your advice, I will keep them on water, Is this the calming you are on about?

https://www.hydroponics-hydroponics.com/nutrients-additives-c42/canna-c43/canna-calmag-agent-1-litre-p590/s1353?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=canna-calmag-agent-1-litre-size-1-litre-size-1-litre&utm_campaign=product+listing+ads&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI76KFy-a32wIV4Z3tCh09dwCYEAQYASABEgJi1_D_BwE

If it is how do you got about feeding your plants etc? All advice appreciated!
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That will work (actually better than mine).

Many companies make Cal-mag additive. Mainly it's Nitrogen so be careful and follow dose directions carefully as is different dose for seedlings/veg and flowering.
 
hotrodharley

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Why do you believe you can just water until flowering? Yes to feeding but read up if you're having to ask. 600 watt light and water. I predict more questions asking for more help.
 
Smithy1

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hotrodharley said:
Why do you believe you can just water until flowering? Yes to feeding but read up if you're having to ask. 600 watt light and water. I predict more questions asking for more help.
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I've heard that it can be good for plants to just water until the plants enter the flowering period then start adding nutes when you see the first signs off flowering, I have read up on it I was just asking other people's opinions, I'll be purchasing some Calmag to give them in around a week or 2, My seedlings are only 2 weeks old but they are looking really healthy and thriving.
 
Smithy1

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bezalom said:
That will work (actually better than mine).

Many companies make Cal-mag additive. Mainly it's Nitrogen so be careful and follow dose directions carefully as is different dose for seedlings/veg and flowering.
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Will do thanks for your advice, Is their 2 liquids to this formula? I'll look a bit more on it now, But just a quick question do you feed this formula every feed? I water my seedlings 2 times a day one morning and one on the night.
 
vostok

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Smithy1 said:
Thanks for your advice mate so far my little seedling are doing brilliant, I stayed away from all the soil with added nutrients in that release them over time but I have got some miracle grow pellets here, Now I know some people stay away from anything associated with Miracle grow with all the shite in it, But is it worth givin them a little bit of that in a few weeks to help them along a little, Cheers for your advice bud.
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I'd still hold off even for just this grow

you should try on the next

as this should be the control

good luck
 
Smithy1

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Can you folks see the pics I've just posted on this thread? I got some off this left over some people I know use it to grow weed with and swear by it but some people hate anything associated with miracle grow products is it possible I can just mix half a tablespoon off this in to my soil when transplanting from seedling in around 3 weeks?
 

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Here's my seedlings I've got another few but they are in the conservetry, Looking nice and healthy, Sorry for breaking any rules I don't know wether I'm allowed to upload them or not:S
 

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the "soil" you're using is 90% peat and 10% compost. not bad stuff, you can work with it. time release nutes are generally frowned upon in container growing, things can happen fast in containers, and you can't control things if there are time release nutes in your soil. all of them come with some, but don't keep adding it, let it run out.
there's no way you're going to get all the way through veg without feeding, you might get lucky and make it through veg with the mg time release stuff without major deficiencies....and you might not. you'd be better off going with dry salts and mixing your own, or get a simple one or two bottle system and feed them about half of what they tell you to. if you want to stay "organic" you're going to have to do a lot of top dressing, i wouldn't try, using the medium you're in now.
 
Smithy1

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
the "soil" you're using is 90% peat and 10% compost. not bad stuff, you can work with it. time release nutes are generally frowned upon in container growing, things can happen fast in containers, and you can't control things if there are time release nutes in your soil. all of them come with some, but don't keep adding it, let it run out.
there's no way you're going to get all the way through veg without feeding, you might get lucky and make it through veg with the mg time release stuff without major deficiencies....and you might not. you'd be better off going with dry salts and mixing your own, or get a simple one or two bottle system and feed them about half of what they tell you to. if you want to stay "organic" you're going to have to do a lot of top dressing, i wouldn't try, using the medium you're in now.
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Cheers for your advice I don't know
Wether you can see my seedlings I've uploaded there or not? I've Been looking at some A+B I've been told this stuff is good for veg,


This is the stuff I've been looking at,

https://www.hydroponics-hydroponics.com/nutrients-additives-c42/canna-c43/canna-coco-a-b-p177/s335?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=canna-coco-a-b-1-litre-size-1-litre-a-b-size-1-litre-a-b&utm_campaign=product+listing+ads&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI1NSdzo642wIVxZ3tCh1yMQKhEAQYASABEgJcYPD_BwE

Also lucky enough the shop is literally 5 mins away from where I live so i got all my growing equipment from there, I've got Allsorts over the years from them, A just don't get the A+B PART do mix it both or just the A for veg or just B for Veg or what? I just don't want to fuck up my plants, I've always let other people take care of my plants for me if you can read between the lines and all I've had to do is just feed them at certain times and turn lights on and off at certain times to.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

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Canna makes good stuff, but it's pretty spendy, there are a lot cheaper alternatives that are just as good. i'm not sure whats available in england, though. a lot of people here are trying out a new vendor and liking it i guess, megacrop from greenleaf nutrients.
a lot of other people here use Jack's (or other) dry salts, and mix in varying amount of calcium nitrate and epsom salts through the grow.
i'm a jack's guy myself, a whole years worth of nutes for me is maybe 60 bucks.
as far as mixing the mutes, they'll come with instructions. the only one you shouldn't follow is how much to use. almost all nute companies will tell you to use quite a bit more than you actually need to, they don't care what you're growing, they just want you to use up their stuff so you have to buy more. so cut the recommended amounts in half to begin with, and work up from there. always can add more, taking extra out is a lot harder.
if they say add part X first, do it, they coat the nutrient salts in chelating agents, (often amino acids) so they don't react with each other, and can be in the same container. if they say mix in one or another part first, its so it doesn't mess that up. you can add epsom salts to water that has calcium well dissolved in it. if you add it to water before the calcium is completely dissolved, they'll bond with each other and precipitate out of the mix, so your nutes now have very little available calcium and sulfur.
so just follow directions, cut the suggested amounts in half, and watch...
 
hotrodharley

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I bought 1 gallon jugs of the 3 part CHEAP Jungle Juice by Advanced Nutrients. Made to replace GH for those opposed to Monsanto. $23 per gallon Grow and Bloom, $26 for Micros. Grew all last year indoors and outdoors. Photos and autos. Everything but hydro including soil, peat mixes and grow holes in the ground. Excellent results. I add cal mag each feeding and Mykos. Cheap system and good results.

Those are prices in Alaska so probably cheaper down there and Outside.
 
Smithy1

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
Canna makes good stuff, but it's pretty spendy, there are a lot cheaper alternatives that are just as good. i'm not sure whats available in england, though. a lot of people here are trying out a new vendor and liking it i guess, megacrop from greenleaf nutrients.
a lot of other people here use Jack's (or other) dry salts, and mix in varying amount of calcium nitrate and epsom salts through the grow.
i'm a jack's guy myself, a whole years worth of nutes for me is maybe 60 bucks.
as far as mixing the mutes, they'll come with instructions. the only one you shouldn't follow is how much to use. almost all nute companies will tell you to use quite a bit more than you actually need to, they don't care what you're growing, they just want you to use up their stuff so you have to buy more. so cut the recommended amounts in half to begin with, and work up from there. always can add more, taking extra out is a lot harder.
if they say add part X first, do it, they coat the nutrient salts in chelating agents, (often amino acids) so they don't react with each other, and can be in the same container. if they say mix in one or another part first, its so it doesn't mess that up. you can add epsom salts to water that has calcium well dissolved in it. if you add it to water before the calcium is completely dissolved, they'll bond with each other and precipitate out of the mix, so your nutes now have very little available calcium and sulfur.
so just follow directions, cut the suggested amounts in half, and watch...
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Thanks for your advice I think I'll be buying some off this Canna A+B stuff seems fairly simple to use, I've just had a look at the instructions online and it says mix 40ml of A then 40ml of B to 10 Litres off water then mix then let it stand for a few hours so that's 80ml off liquid in water but you say I should just half the dose and put 20ml A and 20ml of B in so 40ml to 10 litres altogether? I've just ordered some there. So should i start feeding my seedlings this when it comes? Should be here in a few days.

Here's the Instructions for it,

  • Shake bottle well before use
  • Fill nutrient reservoir with water
  • Add CANNA COCO A & B to the nutrient reservoir with the dilution ratio 1:250 (40 ml A and 40 ml B per 10 litre of water). Add CANNA COCO A to the nutrient reservoir Stir well, then add CANNA Coco B Again, stir well and let mixture stand for some hours
  • The EC of Coco dissolved in (tap) water varies between 1.2 - 2.3 mS/cm2 (= the solution EC + the water EC)
  • Recommended pH: 5.5 - 6.2



Sorry for all the questions folks and been patient with me I just want to get this right and cut out the middle man if you read between the lines, All advice appreciated!
 
Smithy1

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Now I've just read this and it's telling me not to mix the "A" in with the "B" Xonfused ain't the word ere lol


Storage, health & safety and other directions
  • CANNA COCO nutrients can be used for the vegetative and generative phase contrary to other (CANNA) nutrients
  • Do not mix A & B concentrate directly; Insoluble combinations will occur which the plant cannot absorb
  • Store closed in a dark and frost-proof place (UV light breaks down iron chelates in the nutrient)
  • Keep out of reach of children
 
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