Faces of the master race.

hanimmal

hanimmal

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First of all i dont do this sort of stuff anymore :D I havent been drunk in some years and dont enjoy alcohol at all, neither have i been doing graffiti much either.

So i was going home from this party and i got really drunk and i also had some of this fine afghani hash. I got to train from city center and in the train at one stop(way way before mine) i sorta passed out for a split second, then the stop looked like it was my stop, train doors started to close and i ran out just in time. Only noticing that it was no my stop yet. I tried to make sense of when the next train is coming, but i was too drunk to do so even tho there was the sign right in front of me telling me that there is no next and the one i was in was the last train. So because the area was outside(even tho there is also a building in the station) i thought id go to a dark corner and smoke some of that hash from my pipe i had with me, since i didnt have any beer left and would try to make sense of the timetables after(or i could hop on the next train if it happened to come).

Anyways after smoking the bowl of that hash i remembered i have a small marker with me, so i did some tags where i was smoking in(which was where the trains stopped, but bit further than where people get off the train), then i had to pee and i thought id pee where people usually pee there and where i had peed before. While peeing i thought id also throw some graffiti there.

By the time i was done peeing i heard a security guard yell something like "HEY!" and running at me. My first instinct was ofc to run, but before i started to run, i figured im too drunk to run, so i was like "hey no problem in not running and im not interested in wrestling, im way too drunk for that". So he did not try to use force on me. If i would had ran, i would had gotten hurt when he would had taken me down for sure, i dont think very badly, maybe some bruise or so, unless ofc he wanted to be an asshole and hurt on purpose, but thats outside the story.

So he wanted to hold my hand so that he could easily take me in handlock if i tried to run. I didnt care and i was like "yea im not going to try to run, but you can hold my hand if you want to". He then took me in this like jail type of thing, but in the train station, where you just hold people temporarily until cops come if you need to.

Then after a while the cops arrived and started asking what happened etc. I told them the story and other of the two cops was pretty nasty when i told that i took the marker from my former workplace(after she asked where i got it from) and she was like, "yea as if you had a job", i was a bit baffled and i dont think i said anything but started her like "wtf you talking" and the other cop seemed to have an expression like that was a bit unnecessary.

Anyways since security guards cannot search bags or anything in here without permission, the cops asked me if it was ok for the security guard to go over my bag while they questioned me. I said sure, because i knew there was a chance that the security guard would ignore the hash and pipe i had more likely than the cops. He was searching my bag like right behind me so that i could see a little if i looked to my side. While i was taliing with the cops, i saw with the back of my eye that the security guard was showing the cops the thing i used to prepare the hash on, like silently asking them if they want to do something about this. I was like i did not see it, but i saw one of the cops waved his hand like just put it back. He did not show them the bag i had the pipe and hash in i think, because if they had seen the pipe they would had taken it for sure. Weed here is not legal, but cops have the right to just give warning to minor offences like having very low amount on you, but they rarely do ignore it. So i got lucky.

Anyways after i was released, there was no next train until many hours, si i had to walk home for about 8 miles. So naturally i wanted to get a ride from the cops :D i started begging them please please give me a ride, i got so long way home. They refused and got a bit annoyed,then when i didnt stop asking them for a ride, they told me that if i dont stop they can take me to the station and give me a place to sleep. I was like naaah, please please give me a ride at least through that bridge that was like 200m long :DDD They were like NO and went away :D

So i started searching for my hash and could not find it. So i thought that the security guard took it to himself. So naturally i went backtothe train station(that was closed) and knocking his door and i thought that i we can share it if he likes to smoke. he did not open the door despite me attempting quite a bit, so i went away being bummed that i had no hash or beer and like 8 miles to walk. Then after i had walked for a while, i was like fuck this ill collect some tar from the pipe if i cant find the hash. But i did find the hash and the security guard did not take it :D Oh god if he would had opened the door and i would had started to demand my hash back from him..

Anyways i stopped smoking couple times during the walk and bought some low alcohol beer from a gas station and had a pretty fun walk home :)

I ende dup getting i think it was 86€ fine for it and they told me that if the train station demands that i pay for the tag i did, then i might have to pay them a bit more. But the wall was heavily tagged already and mine was not very big, so they didnt demand anything from me.

They also missed all but that one tag of mine and i was able to lie to them what it said :D
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Nice story, sounds pretty much the same here, except we don't really use trains where I am from.
 
CannaOnerStar

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hanimmal said:
Nice story, sounds pretty much the same here, except we don't really use trains where I am from.
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Yea, but you say that a security guard cant use force to stop vandals. If i would had ran or resisted, the security guard would had used force on me, which would had been understandable. most likely truip me over on a concrete and then take a lock whee im lying face down, he has my hand lcked and knee on my neck, then put on handcuffs and take me to that what ever locked room they kept me in. ofc there would be a chance of me getting hurt in that, thats why i decided not to try to run. I wouldnt had any right to sue the security guard, because it would had been warranted and if he did not deliberately try to harm me, but it was an accident, which was my fault because i would had ran.

Its the same if that Karen would had not stopped or had tried to run, i think it would be understandable for the security guard to use force, the same way as they would had used one me if i had ran.

This was my point, that they should had just thrown the bitch on the ground by force if she would had not stopped from commanding to stop or had tried to escape. It makes no sense if the security cant do that and would just get sued for more than what they will ever own..

If the cops would had been there and someone would had continued to wreck the place up, do you not think they would had used force? Why would you need to wait for a cop to show up who doesent know how to use force properly, when you could teach the security guard how to use force better than how the average cop can(= how they are all trained, but some learn outside of their training)? It makes no sense to let some lunatic to do what ever he wants while security cant do anything, then wait for the cops to show waving guns and not knowing if its about a murderous lunatic trying to kill everyone or just the typical karen.

im sure you know that you guys need a police reform. Im suggesting that a good diea would be to also train security guards better and allow them to use physical force if required. And remember, a well trained person does not need to use force so easily and when he is using force, he can use it in controlled way to cause least amount of damage of as possible. Its almost always when someone gets hurt in this sort of situation because the who ever took the guy down, did not know hoe to do it in a safe and controlled way, or he wanted to hurt the person deliberately or the who was being taken down did something to warrant the use of force that would hurt him/her.
 
hanimmal

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Yea, but you say that a security guard cant use force to stop vandals. If i would had ran or resisted, the security guard would had used force on me, which would had been understandable. most likely truip me over on a concrete and then take a lock whee im lying face down, he has my hand lcked and knee on my neck, then put on handcuffs and take me to that what ever locked room they kept me in. ofc there would be a chance of me getting hurt in that, thats why i decided not to try to run. I wouldnt had any right to sue the security guard, because it would had been warranted and if he did not deliberately try to harm me, but it was an accident, which was my fault because i would had ran.

Its the same if that Karen would had not stopped or had tried to run, i think it would be understandable for the security guard to use force, the same way as they would had used one me if i had ran.

This was my point, that they should had just thrown the bitch on the ground by force if she would had not stopped from commanding to stop or had tried to escape. It makes no sense if the security cant do that and would just get sued for more than what they will ever own..

If the cops would had been there and someone would had continued to wreck the place up, do you not think they would had used force? Why would you need to wait for a cop to show up who doesent know how to use force properly, when you could teach the security guard how to use force better than how the average cop can(= how they are all trained, but some learn outside of their training)? It makes no sense to let some lunatic to do what ever he wants while security cant do anything, then wait for the cops to show waving guns and not knowing if its about a murderous lunatic trying to kill everyone or just the typical karen.

im sure you know that you guys need a police reform. Im suggesting that a good diea would be to also train security guards better and allow them to use physical force if required. And remember, a well trained person does not need to use force so easily and when he is using force, he can use it in controlled way to cause least amount of damage of as possible. Its almost always when someone gets hurt in this sort of situation because the who ever took the guy down, did not know hoe to do it in a safe and controlled way, or he wanted to hurt the person deliberately or the who was being taken down did something to warrant the use of force that would hurt him/her.
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When did I say that? I think you decided to believe what you wanted about what I had said and ran from there.

What if you caught the guard/cop on a bad day and you did none of those things and they decided to do those things to you and just say you tried to run or did something?

Nobody that I have seen said 'let them do anything they want'. There are armed security guards, but they are not going to respond any time someone freaks out, that lady was an ass, but she isn't tackle her ass IMO.

And I don't care how well trained someone is, slamming people around leads to unintended consequences and should not be used if someone is not being a danger.
 
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hanimmal said:
When did I say that? I think you decided to believe what you wanted about what I had said and ran from there.

What if you caught the guard/cop on a bad day and you did none of those things and they decided to do those things to you and just say you tried to run or did something?

Nobody that I have seen said 'let them do anything they want'. There are armed security guards, but they are not going to respond any time someone freaks out, that lady was an ass, but she isn't tackle her ass IMO.

And I don't care how well trained someone is, slamming people around leads to unintended consequences and should not be used if someone is not being a danger.
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What about the security guard grabbing her hands to physically stop her, then if she doesent stop and resists, grab tighter and if she still resists, take even whole body lock if required and if she goes violent, take her down and cuff?

Would that be ok? What if the karen tried some pathetic attempt to push the guard away and be pshycially "violent" in non threatening ways towards the guard?

The thing is that your cops now do this shit if they have a bad day they might take it out on people. This sort of people are not fit to be cops, there should be some psychological evaluation and heavy consequences(never being able to be a cop again and sued by highest degree). Yea sure this would mean that those assholes could become security guards and be able to do some nasty stuff to some people.

Do you want a security guard to be this way, who has next to no rights and can be easily sued, or do you want asshole cops around doing shit?

Like i mentioned, there are asshole guards around here, who might do shit. But its the same shit and same sort of shitty people who do it here as guards than those who do it there as cops. I rather have them be guards than cops and have guards well trained. I think it was every year or every two years the security guards need to take lessons on how to take down people etc in a safe way so that they dont get rusty and accidentally hurt someone, or get hurt themselves, or just not being able to handle a situation for not being able to take down people. Security guards need a licence and they need to train themselves continually to keep the licence and they might lose it if they do shit and get caught.

Its funny even this thing where cops lie for each others so that they can get away with doing shit and cover up others in general often, is same with security guards here. But luckily they dont have the same powers as cops do and most cops are good people who truly want to serve and are happy doing their work. Even tho there are situations that are fucked. I dont have the same angst against cops that i had as a teen
 
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@hanimmal

Or maybe just walk between the masks and the karen, spread arms wide apart and start walking towards the karen, so that she is forced to move away from the masks and tell her to stop. Then just act as a barrier between the masks and karen and try to move karen away from masks by walking at her arms wide open.

If she tried to go between the legs, would it be ok for the guard to go down, so that the karen is forced on the ground and gently grabbing her by the arms lifting her up and moving away from the masks?

Would this be ok? What if karent gets violent? Would it then be ok to take her down and cuff?

What if she doesent get real violent, but just tries to push the guard away, but him not moving, she ending up using quite much of force, but not hurting really?

What if she tried to run away?

What if it would had not been masks that she was destroying but some stuff worth millions and would be some religious artefact or something? Would that make a difference?
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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CannaOnerStar said:
What about the security guard grabbing her hands to physically stop her, then if she doesent stop and resists, grab tighter and if she still resists, take even whole body lock if required and if she goes violent, take her down and cuff?

Would that be ok? What if the karen tried some pathetic attempt to push the guard away and be pshycially "violent" in non threatening ways towards the guard?

The thing is that your cops now do this shit if they have a bad day they might take it out on people. This sort of people are not fit to be cops, there should be some psychological evaluation and heavy consequences(never being able to be a cop again and sued by highest degree). Yea sure this would mean that those assholes could become security guards and be able to do some nasty stuff to some people.

Do you want a security guard to be this way, who has next to no rights and can be easily sued, or do you want asshole cops around doing shit?

Like i mentioned, there are asshole guards around here, who might do shit. But its the same shit and same sort of shitty people who do it here as guards than those who do it there as cops. I rather have them be guards than cops and have guards well trained. I think it was every year or every two years the security guards need to take lessons on how to take down people etc in a safe way so that they dont get rusty and accidentally hurt someone, or get hurt themselves, or just not being able to handle a situation for not being able to take down people. Security guards need a licence and they need to train themselves continually to keep the licence and they might lose it if they do shit and get caught.

Its funny even this thing where cops lie for each others so that they can get away with doing shit and cover up others in general often, is same with security guards here. But luckily they dont have the same powers as cops do and most cops are good people who truly want to serve and are happy doing their work. Even tho there are situations that are fucked. I dont have the same angst against cops that i had as a teen
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Luckily here in America mostly people who run businesses get this and don't allow their employees to assault their customers and it really has nothing to do with our laws telling them that they can't. You have many levels of guards/ property laws that allow people to get away with I'm guessing a lot, idk, I am not a security guard nor have any idea what their laws are.

We need reform, I am a fan on cops having multiple cameras on them at all times and linking that back to 'head quarters' so they always have eyes on them and others can do their jobs and support the cop rather than having him try to track so much and then have a butt load of paper work at the end of their long shifts. We don't need armed responses for every liscense plate violation, but also shouldn't be naive about the very real dangers some people can be.

This is why we have laws, we just are in need of a generational redo of the ones we currently have. But not a knee jerk reaction to the false reality that the Russian military and Trump trolls (and any other foreign nation attacking our democracy) are creating online using militarized data and microtargetting of our citizens.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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CannaOnerStar said:
@hanimmal

Or maybe just walk between the masks and the karen, spread arms wide apart and start walking towards the karen, so that she is forced to move away from the masks and tell her to stop. Then just act as a barrier between the masks and karen and try to move karen away from masks by walking at her arms wide open.

If she tried to go between the legs, would it be ok for the guard to go down, so that the karen is forced on the ground and gently grabbing her by the arms lifting her up and moving away from the masks?

Would this be ok? What if karent gets violent? Would it then be ok to take her down and cuff?

What if she doesent get real violent, but just tries to push the guard away, but him not moving, she ending up using quite much of force, but not hurting really?

What if she tried to run away?

What if it would had not been masks that she was destroying but some stuff worth millions and would be some religious artefact or something? Would that make a difference?
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I am pretty sure that is what most security guards do in a situation like that, but those two employees were not paid to do that, and I'm guessing what you are saying is eventually what happened in a store like that.

If the merchandise is really expensive like that, chances are you don't just have one fat guy sitting around waiting for a random crazy, they would have a team of security to place themselves in the way of the idiot.
 
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hanimmal said:
I am pretty sure that is what most security guards do in a situation like that, but those two employees were not paid to do that, and I'm guessing what you are saying is eventually what happened in a store like that.

If the merchandise is really expensive like that, chances are you don't just have one fat guy sitting around waiting for a random crazy, they would have a team of security to place themselves in the way of the idiot.
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Whats the point of security guards if they cant secure any better than a random bystander or any other who works there?


"and don't allow their employees to assault their customers"

Or maybe they should just tell that she is no longer welcome in their store, rather than just saying "please come again" with a big smile?
 
hanimmal

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CannaOnerStar said:
Whats the point of security guards if they cant secure any better than a random bystander or any other who works there?


"and don't allow their employees to assault their customers"

Or maybe they should just tell that she is no longer welcome in their store, rather than just saying "please come again" with a big smile?
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That is generally what happens here.

I think you are under the impression that this kind of shit happens all the time, it really doesn't.

We need to take better care of our people better is all that is going on, and it is being super amplified by social media showing people what it looks like.
 
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hanimmal said:
That is generally what happens here.

I think you are under the impression that this kind of shit happens all the time, it really doesn't.

We need to take better care of our people better is all that is going on, and it is being super amplified by social media showing people what it looks like.
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I dont think it happens all the time, i think its stupid that everyone is almost always so afraid to act on it when it does happen. But im sure that does happen tons more there than here. i mean no one except some escaped mental patient or a crack head would act like that here and if one would, they would seriously start to question her mental health and likely get some professionals to take a look at her if she was not high on meth or crack or shit like that.
 
hanimmal

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I dont think it happens all the time, i think its stupid that everyone is almost always so afraid to act on it when it does happen. But im sure that does happen tons more there than here. i mean no one except some escaped mental patient or a crack head would act like that here and if one would, they would seriously start to question her mental health and likely get some professionals to take a look at her if she was not high on meth or crack or shit like that.
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Do we have a larger population? I am guessing it would make sense it would happen more often.

And yeah unfortunately the Republicans defunded a lot of our mental health facilities in the 80's.

Our police handled that nicely I thought.
 
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hanimmal said:
Do we have a larger population? I am guessing it would make sense it would happen more often.

And yeah unfortunately the Republicans defunded a lot of our mental health facilities in the 80's.

Our police handled that nicely I thought.
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Yes but if you see X and Y happening each week there and it has never happened here or happened once in the 90's. Well its not THAT much of a larger population that it only would explain

Here random bystanders would be likely to try to stop that karen doing crazy shit like that more than those workers in the video did.. People would be like "dude that guy is destroying someone property, we need to help". Ofc some/most would be too scared. People respect manners here and want people to act right, sadly this "americalisation" of the world has corrupted the youth much and happens more and more each year
 
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hanimmal

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CannaOnerStar said:
Yes but if you see X and Y happening each week there and it has never happened here or happened once in the 90's. Well its not THAT much of a larger population that it only would explain

Here random bystanders would be likely to try to stop that karen doing crazy shit like that more than those workers in the video did.. People would be like "dude that guy is destroying someone property, we need to help". Ofc some/most would be too scared. People respect manners here and want people to act right, sadly this "americalisation" of the world has corrupted the youth much and happens more and more each year
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But you are only guessing it is happening more often in a way that population increase would explain. Just because we see it more doesn't mean it is happening more. This is why people were not ready for the attack the Russian military has been doing to all of our democracy based countries citizens.

Blame is easy to place, but it doesn't mean it isn't bullshit.

Humans are humans anywhere you go, some are assholes, mostly people are fine. Unfortunately in large numbers it only take a couple assholes for humanity to turn dangerous, and we are a large country with lots of cameras to capture it all. Thinking anything else is just racist bullshit generally, even if the people spouting the nonsense don't realize it is.
 
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hanimmal said:
But you are only guessing it is happening more often in a way that population increase would explain. Just because we see it more doesn't mean it is happening more.
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I meant that this shit like with your karens seems to happen there like once a week. And my country is about the size of you average state. So lets say 1/52th.

This would mean that if people here would be equally fucked, there would be about once of these instances here a year.

When it comes to amount of cameras on peoples phones in phone technology in general that people have on them by average. We have been way ahead of you guys since they invented sms messages lol

But yet, there are no videos of this sort of karens and when someone does act in that kind of way, the person is treated as having a mental problem or being high/drunk and out of his mind. No one except those who could be clinically labeled as insane or those fucked up on hard drugs or alcohol would do that here.

The thing is that more you got people, more polarised things get, because smaller fucked up groups find members and people to support their fucked up ideas and then when there are more of them than just one insane person, its then a group of people with an ideology, and not just one guy fucked in the head. Then they might try to start to convince people to join them or just like what they do etc.

Its hard to explain, but if i for example go to germany, its more towards that sort of american type polarisation, but not that bad and in there its clearer in bigger cities than smaller towns, but it does leak a bit everywhere.

Its hard to explain, but when there are more people, there is more polarisation between ideas, more room for them to grow and more room for some of them to get seriously fucked. And then over time when people get used to other people being fucked up, it starts to become the norm and next generation of kids is more fucked up than the last one, but its normal for them and they dont see anything being fucked up.

Luckily i also see more and more smart kids growing up in this world thats getting more and more fucked up because trying to copy america and their ideas, feeding their fucked up pop culture and ideals to our kids etc. and internet just makes it all so much easier and makes the image of all even more fucked and unrealistic.

The fact that the police there is acting the way it does and people acting the way they do, is not the illness, but its an symptom of a much bigger illness that most americans dont seem to want to acknowledge, because america is so great or something
 
hanimmal

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I meant that this shit like with your karens seems to happen there like once a week. And my country is about the size of you average state. So lets say 1/52th.

This would mean that if people here would be equally fucked, there would be about once of these instances here a year.

When it comes to amount of cameras on peoples phones in phone technology in general that people have on them by average. We have been way ahead of you guys since they invented sms messages lol

But yet, there are no videos of this sort of karens and when someone does act in that kind of way, the person is treated as having a mental problem or being high/drunk and out of his mind. No one except those who could be clinically labeled as insane or those fucked up on hard drugs or alcohol would do that here.

The thing is that more you got people, more polarised things get, because smaller fucked up groups find members and people to support their fucked up ideas and then when there are more of them than just one insane person, its then a group of people with an ideology, and not just one guy fucked in the head. Then they might try to start to convince people to join them or just like what they do etc.

Its hard to explain, but if i for example go to germany, its more towards that sort of american type polarisation, but not that bad and in there its clearer in bigger cities than smaller towns, but it does leak a bit everywhere.

Its hard to explain, but when there are more people, there is more polarisation between ideas, more room for them to grow and more room for some of them to get seriously fucked. And then over time when people get used to other people being fucked up, it starts to become the norm and next generation of kids is more fucked up than the last one, but its normal for them and they dont see anything being fucked up.

Luckily i also see more and more smart kids growing up in this world thats getting more and more fucked up because trying to copy america and their ideas, feeding their fucked up pop culture and ideals to our kids etc. and internet just makes it all so much easier and makes the image of all even more fucked and unrealistic
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I call bullshit with what you claim with no data to back it up. Just because something 'feels' true and you post it doesn't make it true.
 
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hanimmal said:
I call bullshit with what you claim with no data to back it up. Just because something 'feels' true and you post it doesn't make it true.
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yy denial is handy when others seem to do things better. Thats what gave you free healthcare and education, oh wait
 
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