Eye Hortilux vs SunPulse - "High Times" says Hortilux=DEATH

I guess based on what you're saying about the sunpulse lamps (and it isn't the first time I've heard it , but then I've heard praise for sunpulse from some) then a solis-tek 4 k (which is nothing but a custom spec lamp made by sunpulse for solis-tek) would more than likely get the same rating from you. was just wondering what ballasts you used those sunpulse in. the "scientist" I communicated with says this has a lot to do with the way a lamp runs.

and as you can see by the ballast ratings on the sunpulse page some of those ballast get a pretty low rating due to extremely high THD.

dbkick said:

they also have a line of lamps made just for their ballasts. here's the 4k and 6k MH....

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I just looked over the website. It says they "teamed up with SunPulse" therefor STAY AWAY!

They sell gimmicks not products. By taking the least expensive lowest quality Chinese made garbage and advertising the shit out of it you can get maximum profit. That's what they are doing. Selling garbage at a premium cost.

but back to the original topic (which was a long time ago) . it's gonna take a damn decent lamp manufacturer to top hortilux, high times actually said that? hortilux=death? wtf does that even mean???

Fonzarelli said:

I just looked over the website. It says they "teamed up with SunPulse" therefor STAY AWAY!

They sell gimmicks not products. By taking the least expensive lowest quality Chinese made garbage and advertising the shit out of it you can get maximum profit. That's what they are doing. Selling garbage at a premium cost.

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too late , I bought a 600 watt 4k at the expo last weekend. I'm the kind of guy that likes to see first hand results , do you have any photos of your failed grow with the sunpulse lamps?

Fonzarelli said:

I just looked over the website. It says they "teamed up with SunPulse" therefor STAY AWAY!

They sell gimmicks not products. By taking the least expensive lowest quality Chinese made garbage and advertising the shit out of it you can get maximum profit. That's what they are doing. Selling garbage at a premium cost.

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is this in reference to the bulbs? or are you saying everything they sell is garbage?

I may go with the 600 sunpulse 3k and the 600 solis-tek 4k on the mover with just a touch of led . you think I'll pretty much fail with that?I hate to waste power you know.

They say the Sun is high frequency "digital light.". That shit just cracks me up!
Just another gimmick to sell their garbage. The Sun Is a Blackbody light source, MH is NOT Blackbody.

You need only 1 tool to analyze a light source. A spectrometer.

That tells you the wavelengths that the light source breaks down into. Harmonic frequency distrotions????? WTF who cares???

Plants use the light, not the ballasts square wave energy source whatever they are claiming. They are talking nonsense and it makes them seem intelligent.

Just remember one thing, the spectral analysis tells all. And the SA of their lamps are far from impressive.

I think he's just pissed because they think you need every-fucking-one of their lamps to grow some weed, which probably would piss some off.the original topic makes it look like sunpulse was gonna smash hortilux in the HID area , good luck with that one.

http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/hortilux-hps-bulbs-c-374_316.html






wow thats some shit!!

dbkick said:

I may go with the 600 sunpulse 3k and the 600 solis-tek 4k on the mover with just a touch of led . you think I'll pretty much fail with that?I hate to waste power you know.

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I have used the 3k SunPulse 1000w combined with 4 of the Kessil H150 red LEDs but SunPulse MHs are not special like they claim and they are made to break.

Just take a look at the aquarium industry for a MH that will run well on an E-ballast. I run Hamilton Technology MH now on E-ballasts and they NEVER flicker even on start up. I think that says enough.

I've had 4 broken SunPulse lamps out of 6. Does that say anything? SunPulse does not advertise their spectrum for the lamps which is a give-away that they are fake.

I have done the spectral analysis on the SunPulse lamps and there is such little difference between the K ratings it's the yellow wavelength that varies between the lamps and that's all. It's a hoax and it pisses me off because I have spent money on their shit.

I highly suggest you take a look at Hamilton Technology for MH lamps and if you want a real nice 10k get their True 10k MH.

They have their own website for the USA retail and are made in Germany I beleive.

These guys are not in it for the hype like most hydro shit is these days.

broken? in what way do you mean?

what spectrometer do you have, if you dont mind me asking.

i also do not see a spectrum from hamilton.
how can i confirm their claim of "the same intensity and spectrum as natural sunlight" without seeing their analysis.

no shit, those aren't cheap whichever he has. and to measure any UV (which sunpulse and solis are all about) would take even more of a meter.

dbkick said:

broken? in what way do you mean?

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Broken in package when they arrive because they are so fragile. The metal clip that holds the inner glass bubble in place has been broken a couple times and that was at the retail store. Also, the components burn up on the inside leaving a black ash residue in the glass just a short time after firing.

Quite a few growers already know that Sunpulse sucks dick big time.

vilify said:

what spectrometer do you have, if you dont mind me asking.

i also do not see a spectrum from hamilton.
how can i confirm their claim of "the same intensity and spectrum as natural sunlight" without seeing their analysis.

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Not at all.

Laser Systems RGB spectrometer out of Germany. $2000

thin fragile glass just tells me that their claim of producing more UV than other mh lamps is true. it's not that the glass is cheap, I've talked to sunpulse about this. whatever the case you've made my mind up for me, I'll be running a 600 watt 3k sunpulse and a 600 watt 4k solis tek on the mover, gonna add some red with various (not kessil, i wish) led and see for myself.

Same intensity and spectrum as sunlight IS bullshit. The true 10k does have a SA just do a google images search. It's on the packaging.

I have done a SA for the Hamilton Technology 6k and the SunPulse 6k and the Hamilton Technology 6k is better. 6.4k or whatever.

The differences were in the amount of green and yellow vs blue. The SunPulse had a larger Green and yellow spike where as the HT had a shorter one. It's hard to explain so I can just paste the SA here for you when I get home!

I can paste all the SA from any lamp I have that way you can judge for yourself.

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thin fragile glass just tells me that their claim of producing more UV than other mh lamps is true. it's not that the glass is cheap, I've talked to sunpulse about this. whatever the case you've made my mind up for me, I'll be running a 600 watt 3k sunpulse and a 600 watt 4k solis tek on the mover, gonna add some red with various (not kessil, i wish) led and see for myself.

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Go for it! I'm sure it will work well for you. I would just highly suggest looking around in the future. SunPulse lamps are way more expensive than they should be. The glass is paper thin and maybe it will let more UV through but UV is not good for plants in high amounts.