"Extinction Threat to Religions" Hope for the World yet?

bunnyface said:

so all the people in the middle ages were brain washed???????????????? I find that hard to grasp.

I understand that they had less knowledge so in effect they would belive more in what people would say..

That video dose show that alot of people who are religous would probly just be a nutter anyway if thats what you said earlier. I agree with that,,

So do you celebrate xmas,,thanks giving?

just curious.

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I celebrate Xmas and Santa Clause and the gift of giving.

As a Native American I don't much care for Thanksgiving, it's not quite how it happened.

the people in the middle ages were burnt at the stake for heresy...

i cetainly dont complain about the extra days i get off work at the end of each year

Speak for yourself but the only reason i need the days off at the end of the year is becaues of how fuck-wit mad people go over christmas these days. Lots and lots of work to be done, booooo

Im not justifng any REILIGON.......
I never said that,, I simple said that these hoildays wouldnt be here if it werent for religion. SIMPLE . you are reading to much into what I say....

I think that ancient reilgons where more an easy way to gain power in all its forms for the elite. I PERSONALLY, think christanty is wrong on so many levels,,But I do beleive that modern day soceity wouldnt be where it is today If reilgon hadnt even existed.(could be more advanced or less really) I mean,,there would be too many humans on the planet to start with but Im going off topic now.
I mean that in the way that if at religion hadnt come about,promising an 'after-life' or re-incartion, or what ever the case maybe, people would of been running riot. If some one hadnt said ,,o Im in charge cause god says', then I think humans wouldnt of lasted very long back then. humans would be very differnet today,,,and In todays age its far to easy to say with all our technology, and instant information to say that I wouldnt of fallen for that religous BS,,well hence in todays age they try to get you when your young,so its imprinted....

I feel you all think Im trying to sell christainty,which at no ponit I have been(or any religion for that fact),,I trying to say that (to go back to the OP) that without religon there wouldnt be any of the mordern laws or morals to go by. If religon hadnt come along to say , o thats wrong that,, then people would of done what the hell they wanted,,which as much as we like to think we can we simply cant.

There are tribes of people that still live harmoniously with the world around them that are in complete ignorant bliss of the organized religions of the world.

My people were the same.

bunnyface said:

Im not justifng any REILIGON.......
I never said that,, I simple said that these hoildays wouldnt be here if it werent for religion. SIMPLE . you are reading to much into what I say....

I think that ancient reilgons where more an easy way to gain power in all its forms for the elite. I PERSONALLY, think christanty is wrong on so many levels,,But I do beleive that modern day soceity wouldnt be where it is today If reilgon hadnt even existed.(could be more advanced or less really) I mean,,there would be too many humans on the planet to start with but Im going off topic now.
I mean that in the way that if at religion hadnt come about,promising an 'after-life' or re-incartion, or what ever the case maybe, people would of been running riot. If some one hadnt said ,,o Im in charge cause god says', then I think humans wouldnt of lasted very long back then. humans would be very differnet today,,,and In todays age its far to easy to say with all our technology, and instant information to say that I wouldnt of fallen for that religous BS,,well hence why they try to get you when your young,so its imprinted....

I feel you all think Im trying to sell christainty,which at no ponit I have been(or any religion for that fact),,I trying to say that (to go back to the OP) that without religon there wouldnt be any of the mordern laws or morals to go by. If religon h..adnt come along to say thats wrong that then people would of done what the hell they wanted,,which as much as we like to think we can we simply cant.

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i still think its false that we would be running wild without religion. there are signs of morality and compassion in our ape relatives do they have religion?
http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?q=morality+in+apes&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart
its even evident in lower classes of animal than that
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you say we got to where we are because of religion
i think we got here inspite of religion....

Wow, strong opinions all over the place. It is interesting to see some of the posts seem to get quite heated, why, to me it seems people trying to push there agenda. You can have your opinion and allow other people to have there own opinion. This is freedom and peace in life, live your own life, if your live shows peace, people will see that. By no means do I say I always follow that, many times I fall short. I am a Christian, and I am working toward and preparing myself for my first DMT experience. I sure hope it brings me closer to understanding. Continue Searching people and allow people there own life.

plantvision said:

Wow, strong opinions all over the place. It is interesting to see some of the posts seem to get quite heated, why, to me it seems people trying to push there agenda. You can have your opinion and allow other people to have there own opinion. This is freedom and peace in life, live your own life, if your live shows peace, people will see that. By no means do I say I always follow that, many times I fall short. I am a Christian, and I am working toward and preparing myself for my first DMT experience. I sure hope it brings me closer to understanding. Continue Searching people and allow people there own life.

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taking dmt will not show you god it will however show you an illusion that you find very easy to attribute to "god" or something higher. forced insanity isnt enlightenment

ginjawarrior said:

taking dmt will not show you god it will however show you an illusion that you find very easy to attribute to "god" or something higher. forced insanity isnt enlightenment

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Agreed, but I think it would be a great trip, they all say that you find a different aspect on life. I don't know there may be more to it than I know right now. I won't say one way or the other till I try it.

Wish me luck..........

oh its certainly an experience and if your heading into it with an experience in mind then all the luck to you. just be realistic about what your undertaking before you do it

its an experience not a religious experience if god wanted you to see him it wouldnt take illegal drugs for you to do so

ginjawarrior said:

oh its certainly an experience and if your heading into it with an experience in mind then all the luck to you. just be realistic about what your undertaking before you do it

its an experience not a religious experience if god wanted you to see him it wouldnt take illegal drugs for you to do so

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hey maybe god likes to party

nah maybe there is no god and that taking hallucinogens was what started all those fairy tales

ginjawarrior said:

i still think its false that we would be running wild without religion. there are signs of morality and compassion in our ape relatives do they have religion?
http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?q=morality+in+apes&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart
its even evident in lower classes of animal than that
[youtube]N8mzz8xt6AU&feature=related[/youtube]
[youtube]LU8DDYz68kM[/youtube]

you say we got to where we are because of religion
i think we got here inspite of religion....

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But there are some chimps which live in the jungles of the congo which activly hunt down other chimps to eat. I watch on doco(one of david attenbourghs) and it showed how this group of male chimps was a 'roaming' group ,which would find other chimp 'cartloads'(thats apparntly the collective noun for chimps) and then attack and kill the higher status chimps and were seen eating them. This wasnt a form a terrortory,food, or other normal domiance fights,,they belived it to be 'hunting' for sport, but more killing for fun!!!!
This along with more examples of fighting between same sepices is more prolific than any compasion. A rare sight to see two groups of chimps mix with out any fighting.Even if its not a serious fight its still a fight to assert domiance ... ,and using chimps as an example again, normally there is compasion within a cartload,,but between two different cartloads,RARE, .
So I dont think you could use compasion between chimps as a good example cause they do infact fight more with other cartloads than show compasion.

Take it easy

bunnyface said:

But there are some chimps which live in the jungles of the congo which activly hunt down other chimps to eat. I watch on doco(one of david attenbourghs) and it showed how this group of male chimps was a 'roaming' group ,which would find other chimp 'cartloads'(thats apparntly the collective noun for chimps) and then attack and kill the higher status chimps and were seen eating them. This wasnt a form a terrortory,food, or other normal domiance fights,,they belived it to be 'hunting' for sport, but more killing for fun!!!!
This along with more examples of fighting between same sepices is more prolific than any compasion. A rare sight to see two groups of chimps mix with out any fighting.Even if its not a serious fight its still a fight to assert domiance ... ,and using chimps as an example again, normally there is compasion within a cartload,,but between two different cartloads,RARE, .
So I dont think you could use compasion between chimps as a good example cause they do infact fight more with other cartloads than show compasion.

Take it easy

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yeah i saw that docu no denying the spectacle of them ripping that chimp apart was pretty disturbing but it showed fighting between differening groups i.e territorial fighting.
i never said that chimps are pillars of society or that they arent capable of ruthless acts they are wild animals after all meat eaters too and the most bloodthirsty of apes yet you make it seem like they should have human levels of morals otherwise it doesnt count?
fact is they as a primative animal shows compassion and morals (to what ever standard is irrelevant) as they have no god no bible and no one to tell them not to yet instinctively they know

i never mentioned chimps by name you did i said apes

i then when onto show that even lower life forms than that show compassion

what about hippo saving buck?

I wake up to chimps chattering and screaming during the spring to autumn months, today was first morning this year.

That hippo saving the lil fella was pretty impressive, am i right in thinking that hippo knows fucking CPR? that ent right

ha, yeah,,I understand what you say about compassion,,and sorry I went of on chimps when you did say apes. me deing stoned and trying to deffend something I dont really follow, and am no expert in,reilgon.
I mean that most of this compassion is within a family or unit and is very rare to see it between groups or units.
Also I dont really think you can compare animals from a different linage to us,if thats the right way to put it,in the way that hippos and other veggies(heribviroes,sorry for spelling) to us when clearly we have had a large of a high protein diet for an extended period.(causing larger brains to develope) . Also about your hippo video,well SOME people show compassion,,others dont give a shit,,and I thing that with 'lower' life forms you get the same,some will care and some wont. I think that its in most animals natures to nuture ,or more care about what they see,and how they act is individual based.
If you see what I mean,,,
but
Actually the further I go with this the less I can actually see in my agruement.
ha,
take it easy..

[video=youtube;Wr3nKO0kCAE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr3nKO0kCAE[/video]

Here's what's wrong with religion.

crackerboy said:

[video=youtube;Wr3nKO0kCAE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr3nKO0kCAE[/video]

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ha,, thats fucking hilarious,,the best line is 'if christians were to go round chopping peoples heads off who dont belive...oo wait thats the muslim reilgon.'
Ha,fucking bible bashing nutters.

my theory? if heaven is so great then why do people try to extend their lives as long as possible? religion is a form of control. plain and simple. not that its bad we learn decent morals from it most of the time. but the principle is misunderstood. i think it teaches freedom but in respect to things that are different. some believe in christ as a strength to maintain civillity,others buddha,other allah. either way its all principles on humanity. misread,misunderstood,misbelieved,all the same.