EXPERIMENTS 101 - What Have You Tried - What Works/Doesn't Work

RM3

RM3

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Bill howard said:
Trying a new method called splitting your stalk. You're supposed to do this two weeks before Harvest it's supposed to increase bud swelling and potency by 25% while doing this stressful method and you leave them in flowering for more than two weeks they will hermaphrodite, your buds become seedy :( has anyone tried this???
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{sarcasm} nah, it's not a myth,{/sarcasm} here it is from a research paper ,,,,,,,,,,,

"Select seeds are kept in the mouth of a dead snake until they are sown under the waxing moon in July. Often a freshly-killed snake (preferably a cobra) is buried under the plants, for it is believed that the venom potentizes the resin. The rites of nyasa and acamana are performed while facing north or east. Water is mixed with milk and sprinkled over the seeds. When they sprout, water mixed with clarified butter is used. When the first leaves appear, the plants are sprinkled with salt water. During flowering, the plants are sprinkled with water mixed with alcohol and meat, then with water and honey, and finally with water and alcohol. The rites of stapana, sevana, tantubandhana, and lavana are performed before the harvest. The rite of tantubandhana should be performed by a purified person on the 14th day of the waning moon (in February-March in India). The plants are tied with red, yellow, black and white threads. The Aghora mantra should be recited for a week. On the 5th day of the waxing moon, the cultivator meditates on the bhang and imagines her as a deity. When the seeds are fat, the plants are harvested while reciting the Aghora mantra.

Cultivators of bhang often hire a poddar to inspect the plants and cull the males before flowering begins. In many districts of India, farmers stick a knife through the stem near the base of the plant and insert a wedge or nail. Sometimes opium, mercury, sulfur, arsenic, or asafetida is stuffed into the crack to increase the potency of the plant."
 
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Fastslappy

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mendo dope on IG does that (they're white rappers & growers )
they doing up impressive Trees , they split stems like that
no idea if it works but I've slapped girls to make them perk up in late veg :fire:
takes sum balls to split a monster stem of a fully budded huge tree :hump:
 
ISK

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Gary Goodson said:
I have used @RM3 boil method several times and here is my opinion on it. It's not for everyone and it can't be used in all types of grows.

I wouldn't pour boiling water in my dwc buckets. It doesn't make much of a difference in water only organics. I don't see it as a practical option for large scale grows. It would be a pain in the ass to boil hundreds of plants.

It does, however, improve the taste when using salt based fertilizers. The biggest difference I saw was in this situation.

So I'm not knocking it and NO your plants won't just fall over dead because you poured boiling water on them. I was actually suprised how well they did for the 5 days after. They just slowly faded to a nice banana yellow. I was expecting fucked up leaves and sickly looking plants, but that was not the case.

So to all that are considering this option I say, give it a try. Just keep in mind that some situations are better suited for this method.
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I conducted an experiment with 4 solo-cup hempy plants (seeds were from a hermie, so they very similar plants)

One plant was flushed with normal water for 2 weeks, one was flushed with boiling water, another was not flushed at all, and the fourth was flushed with Mountain Dew (as a joke).

Of the 4, the only one that had a significant flavour difference was the boiling water flush...it most certainly changed the profile but I was not overly thrilled with the outcome, but would consider trying it again.

Boiling the roots started in the old hippy days, so I do find it strange when people/trolls flip out on @RM3 for this practice....it nice when some of the old pro's can confirm it does have merit, but as you stated it may work better on some grow methods than others
 
Fastslappy

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ISK said:
the only one that had a significant flavour difference was the boiling water flush
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kills the plant right off , so it seals in the flavor at the time of harvest ?

I've heard of the boiling water but I don't know the reason for that flush process
I've seen dried leaf stems burn like a firecracker fuse due to high salt peter like compounds
but that was with heavy chem bud boosters in use & that goes to grow style
 
RM3

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Fastslappy said:
kills the plant right off , so it seals in the flavor at the time of harvest ?

I've heard of the boiling water but I don't know the reason for that flush process
I've seen dried leaf stems burn like a firecracker fuse due to high salt peter like compounds
but that was with heavy chem bud boosters in use & that goes to grow style
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Sterilizes the medium
Starves the roots of O2 causing the plant to ferment sugars to survive (All plants do this it is how they survive floods)
Because it pulls energy from leaves it causes a fast fade that usually takes 3 to 7 days (varies with strain)
Makes dried bud smoke like it has a 10 day jar cure

Very basically it starts the cure before the plant is dead

It DOES NOT, increase trics, potency, resin
 
Fastslappy

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RM3 said:
Sterilizes the medium
Starves the roots of O2 causing the plant to ferment sugars to survive (All plants do this it is how they survive floods)
Because it pulls energy from leaves it causes a fast fade that usually takes 3 to 7 days (varies with strain)
Makes dried bud smoke like it has a 10 day jar cure

Very basically it starts the cure before the plant is dead

It DOES NOT, increase trics, potency, resin
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ThanX @RM3 , I had thought that is how it works
but didn't wanna comment on something I knew nuttin about

so leave the root ball intact for how long before chop ?
no further water I take it as well OR keep at the boiling water till chop ?
 
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Uberknot

Uberknot

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Bill howard said:
Trying a new method called splitting your stalk. You're supposed to do this two weeks before Harvest it's supposed to increase bud swelling and potency by 25% while doing this stressful method and you leave them in flowering for more than two weeks they will hermaphrodite, your buds become seedy :( has anyone tried this???
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Really? That looks bad to me....Good Luck!
 
RM3

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Fastslappy said:
ThanX @RM3 , I had thought that is how it works
but didn't wanna comment on something I knew nuttin about

so leave the root ball intact for how long before chop ?
no further water I take it as well OR keep at the boiling water till chop ?
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just water with boiling water once, leave under the light till it fades, harvest normally
 
pop22

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WOW! Someone who actually understands what total bullshit "flushing" a plant is! I've had people tell me, it doesn't matter science proves this idea wrong, because their uncle's friend's daughter's boyfriend said he can tell the difference. BULLSHIT!

As you said, what goes into the plant, stays in the plant. All a final flush does is starve you plant to death, just when it needs its food the most!

I also like the one about MG making your buds pop and crackle....... please, I want to see you light a few ppms of Mg on fire with a match......... its bugs and and mites exploding when the heat of the burning weed turns their water content to steam and they explode, just like a seed does for the same reason.

Richard Drysift said:
No MG will work it's just not a good choice. My first grow several decades ago was using mg and it was ok; tasted like shit and I picked it too early but it did grow pot. Respectful disagreement requires some level of respect....

Myth #1 you need to ph your water....
If you are growing in a baggy soil there's no need to ph your water. If you are growing in coco or some other sterile hydroponic medium then you do need to bother ph-ing your water but otherwise forget about ph altogether. Your mix should regulate the ph & if it doesn't then you need to transplant to some fresh soil in a larger container.

Myth #2 increased darkness before harvesting

This one is true. When I am about to pull a plant to harvest I will take it out of my bloom room & leave it for 48 hrs...some go 72hrs but I notice very little difference between 2 or 3 days of darkness. Not sure if it's because of increased trichome production or if it's just another couple days of ripening but it does help tighten up the buds & increases protency of the final product once cured.

Myth #3 flushing
If you grow in an organic mix & do not use any kind of nutrients flushing is a myth & totally unecessary. If you use synthetic nutrients you do need to flush out salts that buildup over time. I hate the term flushing and prefer to call it watering. Give your plant straight water w/zero nutes at least every other watering and stop giving nutes in the final 14 dayz before harvesting. Whatever you give your plants during their lifecycle will be deposited into the flesh of the plant; no amount of watering can remove that once it's in your plant. This is why cheap crappy nutes can make shitty tasting weed even if you flush them well. This is also why organically grown herb is the best tasting; there's nothing to flush out because the plants only take what they need as opposed to being force fed.
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pop22

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YES you can! I do organic grows and use no teas or any other stuff UNLESS I see an issue, which is almost never. Properly prepped soil will sustain a plant up to 6 months. and more often than not, its the micro nutrients that are depleted to the point of causing deficiencies.
This was grown in a 20 gallon SIPS style pot, simple organic soil ( 1 part black soil,one part worm castings, 1 part coco coir I ad dolomite lime and epsom salts. Nothing but water the entire grow.. I've got a hundred more pics of plants to prove it with.


tropicalcannabispatient said:
EVEN SUPERSOIL GETS DEPLETED OF NUTRIENTS WITH HEAVY FEEDERS AND U HAVE TO ADD SOME AND U GONNA TELL ME THAT PLAIN MG SOIL STRAIGHT FROM THE BAG WILL GROW AN MJ PLANT THROUGH ALL STAGES WITH JUST PLAIN WATER? LMFAO IT WON'T HAPPEN
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pop22

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Same soil, in my greenhouse now:

BD Greenhouse pic7 -8-27-2016.jpg QUOTE="tropicalcannabispatient, post: 12874158, member: 701962"]EVEN SUPERSOIL GETS DEPLETED OF NUTRIENTS WITH HEAVY FEEDERS AND U HAVE TO ADD SOME AND U GONNA TELL ME THAT PLAIN MG SOIL STRAIGHT FROM THE BAG WILL GROW AN MJ PLANT THROUGH ALL STAGES WITH JUST PLAIN WATER? LMFAO IT WON'T HAPPEN[/QUOTE]
 

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pop22 said:
YES you can! I do organic grows and use no teas or any other stuff UNLESS I see an issue, which is almost never. Properly prepped soil will sustain a plant up to 6 months. and more often than not, its the micro nutrients that are depleted to the point of causing deficiencies.
This was grown in a 20 gallon SIPS style pot, simple organic soil ( 1 part black soil,one part worm castings, 1 part coco coir I ad dolomite lime and epsom salts. Nothing but water the entire grow.. I've got a hundred more pics of plants to prove it with.
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u are out of the subject., OP say that he can grow a plant through all stages with PLAIN MIRACLE GROW SOIL NO NUTRIENTS ADDED, u talking about organics and amends like worm castings and micros and and macro. IN THAT SUBJECT YES IS POSSIBLE BUT NOTTT WITH PLAIN MG SOIL WITH NOTHING ADDED he say JUST WATER. What the fuck the plant its gonna feed from? and then he said he GETS DANK. let me laugh!!! jajajajaj
 
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tropicalcannabispatient

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pop22 said:
Same soil, in my greenhouse now:

View attachment 3768553 QUOTE="tropicalcannabispatient, post: 12874158, member: 701962"]EVEN SUPERSOIL GETS DEPLETED OF NUTRIENTS WITH HEAVY FEEDERS AND U HAVE TO ADD SOME AND U GONNA TELL ME THAT PLAIN MG SOIL STRAIGHT FROM THE BAG WILL GROW AN MJ PLANT THROUGH ALL STAGES WITH JUST PLAIN WATER? LMFAO IT WON'T HAPPEN
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I threw beans in Miracle Gro potting soil. Never added anything but water, and harvested some amazing buds. THATS WHAT OP SAY IN THE INITIAL POST...
 
tropicalcannabispatient

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Kingrow1 said:
I could grow in soil with zero ferts or amendments, just repot it every few weeks... Job done!
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of course because the new soil has nutrients and she can feed, BUT WITH THE SAME SOIL THROUGH ALL STAGES NONONO. SORRY!! when the stretch happens she will use all the nitrogen and will start eating herself u wont make it to week 5 of flower IF EVEN WILL BE POSSIBLE
 
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pop22 said:
Same soil, in my greenhouse now:

View attachment 3768553 QUOTE="tropicalcannabispatient, post: 12874158, member: 701962"]EVEN SUPERSOIL GETS DEPLETED OF NUTRIENTS WITH HEAVY FEEDERS AND U HAVE TO ADD SOME AND U GONNA TELL ME THAT PLAIN MG SOIL STRAIGHT FROM THE BAG WILL GROW AN MJ PLANT THROUGH ALL STAGES WITH JUST PLAIN WATER? LMFAO IT WON'T HAPPEN
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thats looks like 4 or 5 weeks into flower and u have yellow going on WITH AMENDANTS LIKE U SAY imagine mg soil with no amendants or nutrients? IT WILL BE SHIT., EDIT: IM NOT BASHING YOUR GROW THE PLANT LOOKS AWESOME ITS JUST AN EXAMPLE
 
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Kingrow1

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tropicalcannabispatient said:
of course because the new soil has nutrients and she can feed, BUT WITH THE SAME SOIL THROUGH ALL STAGES NONONO. SORRY!! when the stretch happens she will use all the nitrogen and will start eating herself u wont make it to week 5 of flower IF EVEN WILL BE POSSIBLE
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Why wouldnt i repot it!
 
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