CunningCanuk
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Pete or Kamala would be great but what about Bernie? 
Examples of Democratic Party leadership
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Roger A. Shrubber
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these are "major" accomplishments? she's cast more tie breaking votes than pence? of course she has, she was the tie breaking vote in a tied senate...she "addressed" the southern border crisis? how? when?
https://blavity.com/5-major-accomplishments-from-kamala-harris-in-her-first-year-as-vice-president/5-major-accomplishments-from-kamala-harris-in-her-first-year-as-vice-president?category1=news&category2=politics&item=5
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/3689844-why-kamala-harris-is-already-among-the-most-consequential-vice-presidents-in-history/
again...why does casting tie breaking votes make her anything but the vice president? that's almost their only real duty, and she did it...how does that make her "consequential" ?
"Harris, for her part, has helped balance Biden in terms of gender, age, race and geography. Harris has also taken on numerous policy priorities and promotes her boss’s agenda in Congress"....this seems like a way of saying she's a young (relatively) woman of minority descent, which effectively makes the administration more palatable to women, minorities, and minority women...again, this makes her "consequential" why?...you'd think they would have given a few details about the "numerous policy priorities" she has taken on, since the entire article was supposed to be about her "consequence"...
https://www.npr.org/2022/01/19/1074172798/what-kamala-harris-has-gotten-done-in-her-1st-year-as-vice-president
this one single article makes it seem like she's actually doing anything important...i had to look for it, and it's limited.
i'm not trying to nitpick, i'm saying it seems like you have to look for any information about her, and what you find is kind of lackluster, even an article about how consequential she is makes her seem inconsequential...maybe she needs a new publicist...
hanimmal
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lmao because trolls are not pushing information out about her at all times puffing her up, making is harder for you to figure out where to see what she is doing, of course she might 'seem' lackluster. Chances are she might not be doing a bunch of things that a older white guy might be watching. But all you need to do if you want is to look and you can find hours of footage of things she is constantly doing, which are not total fuckups that end up bumping the crazies like MTG off the air for a couple minutes.
As for being 'consequential' (this part is a slight troll, but at this point I think it might be necessary) might be a little hard for you to relate to for a lot of the same reasons you might not see much of her. Or really care at all about the topics she discusses while in these conversations. But they do matter a lot to the people that do.
When I said 'major accomplishments', I think you jumped to just as VP I think, that is not the only period of time I am talking about. Being AG of the largest state, then being elected to the senate, holding seats in major committees, running for president with virtually no money and holding her own on every stage she ever set foot on, are all kind fo big deals.
I don't even know what a 'major accomplishment' for VP only would even count.
But your question about the 'border crisis' would be a speech/visit she did to Central America I am guessing. You might have missed it because the Republicans/Trump/etc were likely busy 'owning the libs' and pushed it out of the news cycle pretty quick like everything she has done.
And finally voting a lot means she is in the senate a lot, which means she can't be out doing more 'photo ops' or whatever it is when politicians actually travel to the areas that they are trying to work on.
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cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Think of it this way.
The only reason more than a few thousand people knew Mike Pence’s name* was because he could be in the hot seat at any second, should his No.1 succumb to a sudden and lethal attack of SDIS, or perhaps metastatic Melania.
(Sudden Drive-through Inhalation Syndrome)
*before he was celebrated by those high-spirited patriotic protesters and their catchy slogan two years ago
HGCC
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I think your both right, she has done a decent amount...but it sure doesn't seem/feel like it. It is also true that it should and traditionally is a lower visibility spot, but its also the person that goes into the next election cycle as the heir apparent so they need to have some enthusiasm around them.
Where is she popular and with what groups? We don't need to run up the score along the west coast or northeast, we need to hold onto and make gains in the midwest and upper midwest. Not sure who would gain more traction in those markets, but I think its about who will most appeal to centrists if the Ds want to keep on winning.
Will it play in Peoria as the saying goes?
Some numbers and such, they don't mean much...but eh.
www.latimes.com
Where is she popular and with what groups? We don't need to run up the score along the west coast or northeast, we need to hold onto and make gains in the midwest and upper midwest. Not sure who would gain more traction in those markets, but I think its about who will most appeal to centrists if the Ds want to keep on winning.
Will it play in Peoria as the saying goes?
Some numbers and such, they don't mean much...but eh.
What does America think of Kamala Harris? Follow the latest polls
Tracking the popularity of the vice president over time
www.latimes.com
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cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I would say it is properly a low-visibility spot. When it isn’t, something’s wrong.I think your both right, she has done a decent amount...but it sure doesn't seem/feel like it. It is also true that it should and traditionally is a lower visibility spot, but its also the person that goes into the next election cycle as the heir apparent so they need to have some enthusiasm around them.
Where is she popular and with what groups? We don't need to run up the score along the west coast or northeast, we need to hold onto and make gains in the midwest and upper midwest. Not sure who would gain more traction in those markets, but I think its about who will most appeal to centrists if the Ds want to keep on winning.
Will it play in Peoria as the saying goes?
Some numbers and such, they don't mean much...but eh.
What does America think of Kamala Harris? Follow the latest polls
Tracking the popularity of the vice president over time
People remember Agnew for corruption.
People remember Quayle for having the intellect of a brick.
People remember Pence for a noose.
People almost remember Ford for Nixon’s scandal. Mondale and Gore quietly faded away after not scoring the big one. (Gore is a heartbreak. He won, but he conceded too early. There’s a heck of a what-if novel in there for better students of history than I. I wonder what a world with no DHS would be like.)
HGCC
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Worth noting is I always crap on her, idk why i am so negative, she was my least favorite during the primaries.
Being likeable seems key to winning, and coming across as such as part of your public persona. Obama, W., Bill Clinton all had that, trump as well I guess but I didn't see it. Can't really comment past that, Bush 1 didn't seem likeable, but I would assume Regan was...other than Nixon most seemed like they were from Kennedy on.
It doesn't really have anything to do with their other qualities and qualifications. Liz Warren is a good example as well, she's super smart, qualified, yadda yadda...would be a terrible choice because she just comes across as a mean librarian.
Being likeable seems key to winning, and coming across as such as part of your public persona. Obama, W., Bill Clinton all had that, trump as well I guess but I didn't see it. Can't really comment past that, Bush 1 didn't seem likeable, but I would assume Regan was...other than Nixon most seemed like they were from Kennedy on.
It doesn't really have anything to do with their other qualities and qualifications. Liz Warren is a good example as well, she's super smart, qualified, yadda yadda...would be a terrible choice because she just comes across as a mean librarian.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
HGCC
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I feel ya on gore, but I voted Nader as I lived in a solid blue state. At one juncture I was way bigger into the idea that we needed more parties on the ballot so always would always toss a vote to the greens to try and make sure they hit whatever that threshold was to be on the ballot and/or recognized as a legitimate political party.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I never chose a third party. In retrospect, I was more often voting against the guy I disliked more, which necessarily meant voting for the only viable opponent.
That, and a slowly but inexorably progressing case of Reagan regret.
Roger A. Shrubber
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it should be, i'm just being an ass. there is nothing wrong with Harris, and i don't think she'd be a drag on the ticket, i just think there are a few people who would get a better response. I'm sure Biden/Harris will handily beat whatever the republicans throw at them.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Personally, I think Kamala was handed a tough job with the immigration thing, then torn apart by the beaks&talons of the unsympathetic press. Her problem is not based on her performance imo.
DIY-HP-LED
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Time to play hardball with these bastards, she is reopening state charges in Michigan against the fake electors and those who enabled them. These are separate laws from the federal ones so no double jeopardy, I hope they come down on them hard and set some examples, state and federal. For too long these assholes have been conducting civil war against America and it's constitution that goes far beyond normal politics and has merged with terrorism and treason into fascism. The free ride is over and if the democrats win all three, it will really be over with new laws and regulations to address it, or at least it's worst elements. BTW, she would also have a case against those in the WH who were part of the plot too, so would other swing states, many of whom have democratic officials and prosecutors.
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DIY-HP-LED
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DIY-HP-LED
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Classified documents from Biden’s time as VP discovered in private office
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
bet none of them is above the lowest level of classification
even so, brace for a kerfuffle exceeding even the Hunter’s Laptop bother
Roger A. Shrubber
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Really? What's the reasoning behind that conclusion? Because i can't follow that.
Fuck, trump had hundreds of documents, many of them sci level classified documents, and fought the DOJ to keep them, and they STILL haven't charged his fat fucking orange ass with ANYTHING.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I cannot tell if you’re being serious.