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M Dogg · Mar 12, 2013

Marla 420 said:
I meant the numbers are the same for everyone/PPV buys if Brock wasn't fighting on the card (as in no fans that bought Cards for Lesnar bought cards for anything else). If Brock wasn't fighting that night then nobody is really getting anything out of Lesnar being in the UFC because people only wanted to see freakshow Lesnar. I was kinda stoned so I probably was just babling. PPV buys stayed the same with or without Lesnar in the UfC. The only benefit was if Brock was fighting that night. His fans didn't buy any other cards.

Everyone in the organization benefited from having Brock on the cards - more PPV buys and mainstream interest resulted in more revenue which, in turn, translated to higher paydays for all fighters involved on the card.

Padawanbater2 · Mar 12, 2013

I think the Jones v. Silva card will draw over a million buys at least. Same thing with this upcoming card this weekend.

Marla 420 · Mar 12, 2013

Padawanbater2 said:
Lol dude, he beat Randy Couture and Frank Mir, who else do you think was a legitimate contender at heavyweight that he didn't beat or that deserved more of a title shot at the time?

Easy. Werdum/Nog (Before Mir) was supposed to get the shot at the time. Instead they gave it to Brock after going 1-1, Werdum was so pissed he came in Fat against JDS and brawled only to get Ko'd. I remember complaining like a motherfucker when they gave it to Brock, as did 80% of the fans at the time. Nog should of got the shot at Randy also (Before Mir) and he was basically robbed of being Pride and UFC HW Champs. He later beat Randy easily after the loss to Brock.

Marla 420 · Mar 12, 2013

M Dogg said:
Everyone in the organization benefited from having Brock on the cards - more PPV buys and mainstream interest resulted in more revenue which, in turn, translated to higher paydays for all fighters involved on the card.

Well the fighters would get more money ONLY if they got a ppv cut, and there weren't many guys getting PPV cuts back then. Probably only like GSP/Anderson/Chuck/Tito. Yea UFC got more media attention but also in a negative way with Boxing/Boxers/analyst shitting on MMA (Simply because they don't like MMA and perpetuate a myth that anyone can do it). The revenue Brock generated was mostly for Brock. It's just my opinion in the end but it wasn't worth it to sell more PPV's and delegitimize the sport.

Marla 420 · Mar 12, 2013

Padawanbater2 said:
I think the Jones v. Silva card will draw over a million buys at least. Same thing with this upcoming card this weekend.

Ohh for sure Anderson/Jones and Anderson/GSP can get 1 Mill. I doubt GSP/Diaz gets 1 mill, I say 800k.

doowmd · Mar 13, 2013

Corso312 said:
Bullshit, the ufc use to have David vs Goliath fights ...dudes giving up 60 plus lbs for 7 k$...sometimes a fighter fought 3 times in a night.

You tellingme Dana's punk ass can't offer Silva/Jones a 500k to winner 200k to loser jones-silva @ 190 lbs?

the ufc takes care of their champs: See Bones Bentley they gave him

see Anderson's new Muay Thai College (the UFC partnered w/ him to start that up out in Cali.

If they're willing to give those kinds of gifts, u can believe that each of em would make over 500,000 each if they fight in show money alone. And I know alot of you don't like Dana or belkive any thing he says, but he has said in multiple interviews this year that Jones/Silva will happen this year. Probably @ 200lb catchweight.

Padawanbater2 said:
Lol, and that's why the UFC almost went bankrupt

I'm sure he could, but besides the money, which neither Jones or Silva need, what would be the incentive for either of them?

The incentive is the title "baddest man on the planet" "greatest MMA'er of all time" for Anderson if he won. IMO How could either not want this fight? I mean the winner would have an air of invincibility that no man would want to fuck w/ after! lol
.....am I wrong about this?

guerrilla medic said:
asking jones to make 190 pounds is ridiculous in my opinion. man i loved those david vs goliath fights............

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guerrilla medic said:
i lied lol. i cannot digress. please give some kind of explanation of how dana spoonfed him the belt. granted his title shot was rushed, but he won the fight against couture, the champion. how can you say the ufc marginally benefited? they were the primary financial beneficiaries. how did they take a hit in being legitimate? they cannot be illegitimate if the guys get in the cage and participate in a cagefight, can they? what hit did they take? certainly not a financial hit.

lol @ "I lied I cannot digress" lmao that had me rollin....all your points are valid G.M. Marla's just a brock hater and haters gonna hate. She can call him a "freakshow" all she wants, but I bet Heath Herring, Randy Couture, Frank Mir, and Shane Carwin would all beg to differ.

M Dogg said:
What is obvious to me is that the UFC/MMA is just like pro-wrestling in the fact that interest in the sport is cyclical and based on the individual fighters ability to draw and the promoters ability to cash in on that star. That being said, until someone other than the current crop of fighters comes along and captures the imagination of fans and non-fans alike, well, I'm afraid Brock is gonna be on top of that biggest-grossing PPV list for awhile.

UFC IS like wrestling in that it trys to establish a backstory between 2 fighters, and build up that story to sell more ppv's. This creates the Drama that we, as fans, love. I can't speak for anyone else, but for instance, the GSP/Diaz fight this saturday is SO much more interesting w/ the drama between Nick and Georges.

Marla 420 said:
Easy. Werdum/Nog (Before Mir) was supposed to get the shot at the time. Instead they gave it to Brock after going 1-1, Werdum was so pissed he came in Fat against JDS and brawled only to get Ko'd. I remember complaining like a motherfucker when they gave it to Brock, as did 80% of the fans at the time. Nog should of got the shot at Randy also (Before Mir) and he was basically robbed of being Pride and UFC HW Champs. He later beat Randy easily after the loss to Brock.

Lesnar woulda mopped the floor w/ Werdum everyday all day! Big nog might've been a tougher fight for Lesnar but who knows w/ the size difference? We saw how Mir handled Big nog (Twice!) so it stands to reason that if Lesnar fucked up Mir like he did, than what coulda Nog have done w/ him?
Bottom line is while Lesnar was in the picture (and healthy w/o the diverticulitis) he was "in the mix".

M Dogg · Mar 13, 2013

Marla 420 said:
Well the fighters would get more money ONLY if they got a ppv cut, and there weren't many guys getting PPV cuts back then. Probably only like GSP/Anderson/Chuck/Tito.

False. If the company is generating more revenue and is more successful then of course everybody's salaries are gonna go up. When times are good everyone benefits, bonuses are higher and sponsors will have more interest.

guerrilla medic · Mar 13, 2013

UFC IS like wrestling in that it trys to establish a backstory between 2 fighters, and build up that story to sell more ppv's. This creates the Drama that we, as fans, love. I can't speak for anyone else, but for instance, the GSP/Diaz fight this saturday is SO much more interesting w/ the drama between Nick and Georges.

this is exactly right. the drama, the shit talking, the pushing and shoving at the weigh ins, whether its real or not it helps build interest in the fight. give me all the drama and buildup they can provide i say. as long as at the end of it the doors shut and there is genuine hand to hand combat, whats not to like? WAR DIAZ!!!!!!!

Corso312 · Mar 13, 2013

Eh, only the naive buy into the pre fight garbage...gsp is going to fuck Diaz up.

Padawanbater2 · Mar 13, 2013

I am fuckin' amped for this fight!

Predictions?

M Dogg · Mar 13, 2013

GSP all the way, dominant decision, and after the fight - SPOILER ALERT - GSP retires as champion and UFC record holder in front of 20,000+ adoring fans! La superiorite des batailleurs francais sera j'amais dispute, GSP champion pour toujours!

M Dogg · Mar 13, 2013

Corso312 said:
Eh, only the naive buy into the pre fight garbage...gsp is going to fuck Diaz up.

It's what is known as "suspending your disbelief". Everybody does it - for movies, sports, the evening news...It's all bullshit, just go along with it 'cause it's funner that way.

Corso312 · Mar 13, 2013

I just can't trick myself into buying in, it be like someone trying to hypnotize me..

guerrilla medic · Mar 13, 2013

gsp by decision. he's a takedown machine. i like condit over hendricks. ellenberger vs marquardt should be a war. been going back and forth but i'll take marquardt by 3rd rd ko.

Marla 420 · Mar 13, 2013

M Dogg said:
Marla 420 said:

Well the fighters would get more money ONLY if they got a ppv cut, and there weren't many guys getting PPV cuts back then. Probably only like GSP/Anderson/Chuck/Tito.

False. If the company is generating more revenue and is more successful then of course everybody's salaries are gonna go up. When times are good everyone benefits, bonuses are higher and sponsors will have more interest.

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True but I fail to see how Brock in his short time really affected the UFC at least to the extent of other fighter pay and salaries. GSP on the other hand maybe because he has been in the UFC for so long with so many fights. Brock was more of a flash in the pan wanting to make a quick dollar with a handful of fights. Again It's just my opinion but that's how I feel.

Marla 420 · Mar 13, 2013

I got GSP (although rooting for Diaz), Hedricks (If I was betting Condit), Marquart(Because he wants to come back with a splash), Ring and RIcci.

Marla 420 · Mar 13, 2013

Also Nick Ring is probably Gay, he just hasn't come out of the closet..... Or at least Bi. He is just funny, you know? Not haha funny.

Padawanbater2 · Mar 13, 2013

Why do you say that?

Marla 420 · Mar 14, 2013

Because Nick has funny femininely mannerism, he also speaks feminine. My gaydar just goes off whenever I see him. It's cool I support gay marriage and I'm sure he doesn't want to come out but I'm sure he is at LEAST Bi (Think he is full on gay though).

Shea_Heights · Mar 14, 2013

Marla 420 said:
Also Nick Ring is probably Gay, he just hasn't come out of the closet..... Or at least Bi. He is just funny, you know? Not haha funny.

He just acts like that to mess with his oppenents and to try to throw them off mentally. Ive met him in person and have freinds who went to school with him and trust me the way he acts while on camera and in person is way different

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