test_pilot
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once youve taught him how to fish he'll start selling the fish.cant get away from greedy people
Even Paris Hilton KNOWS Eckhart Tolle
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HighPhi
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couldnt have said it better flip.
skunkushybrid
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Write down their names fdd'... I'm organising a possey. Anyone got any guns?
johnny1234
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I think if Paris read and understood Eckhart Tolle she would not be as she is now. Tolle is not a fad or some sort of 'cool' spiritual enlitenment he is.....
thankyou
thankyou
Garden Knowm
The Love Doctor
skunkushybrid
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Hey GK, do you agree with everything Tolle preaches, or is it just parts of?
Johnny12' you might like to answer this too.
Johnny12' you might like to answer this too.
Garden Knowm
The Love Doctor
Ummm.. can you please rephrase the question...
I don't think he preaches nor do I know everything that he has said...
ummm... I have not heard him say anything that I thought was NOT correct...
I have heard him make comments that I did not AGREE with..... but nor did I DISAGREE with his those comments...
often I hear things that I just don't form any opinion about.... kinda like listening to birds....
and other times, I hear things that interest me BUT at the time I have no opinion BUT I am not willing to let it go.. so I just hang it up in the "I don't know department of my brain" this actually where most of my shit goes!!!
iloveyou...
I don't think he preaches nor do I know everything that he has said...
ummm... I have not heard him say anything that I thought was NOT correct...
I have heard him make comments that I did not AGREE with..... but nor did I DISAGREE with his those comments...
often I hear things that I just don't form any opinion about.... kinda like listening to birds....
and other times, I hear things that interest me BUT at the time I have no opinion BUT I am not willing to let it go.. so I just hang it up in the "I don't know department of my brain" this actually where most of my shit goes!!!
iloveyou...
johnny1234
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i reckon i do agree with everything he says. he's good because he constantly just points towards this idea of 'stillness' with everything he says. and everything just seems to fit and make sence. however, i think that its fuckin hard to be able to live 'in the now' all the time because the mind always wants to control everything.
but yeh, i reckon Tolle has got it sussed. all my mates reckon its all load of shit but hey.
peace
Garden Knowm
The Love Doctor
LOL.... many people say... that tolle is full of shit.. or that he is just talking in circles, or what's the point....
The "PROBLEM" with Tolle is, you need at least a spark of presence before you can start to SURRENDER and actually hear what he is saying..
I have noticed that people are so used to looking for the "point" (what's in it for THEM) that they can't hear the message...
The GREAT thing about Tolle is that you can actually get a spark of awakening from HIS voice without having a fooking clue what he is saying...
iloveyou
if you enjoy tolle you should also check out this cat named Krishnamurti...
This is the same argument Christians use to defend their teachings. First ACCEPT Jesus... Then he will make sense to you. LOL. Please.. In my world if you want someone to believe something you convince them of it. You don't ask them to suspend judgement indefinitly.
Oh yeah, and we can't really live in 'The Now.' All that we are able to experience is the past. NEVER the present.
johnny1234
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its not about accepting Tolles idea first its just about getting that glimps of realisation, GK has hit he nail on the head, read what he is saying a bit closer or get into some Tolle if ur interested.
all that we are able to experience is the past? i dont think i have ever experienced the past? i have thought about he past, worried about the past, longed for the past but never experienced it. same with the future. all that really truly exists is now. past and future are only as important as we make them.
peace out
the widowman
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at least paris likes to blaze a joint.(a nice big fat one )
- Johnny
Well, think about it this way. When you look up into the night's sky and see the stars burning, you're actually seeing those stars as they were 100 - 10,000 years ago. If you look at the sun you're seeing it as it was about 8 minutes ago, the moon, about 1 - 2 seconds ago. If you're having a conversation with a person across a table you're seeing them as they were ten billionths of a second ago. Maybe the past is just as real as the present.
johnny1234
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that is true. when u look at a star you're seeing a version of the star that happened a time ago due to the distances in space. but that is not the point. the point is this; when you are looking it at, you're seeing it at that exact time that you see it, whether it occurred earlier or not, the occurrance of you seeing it only happens in the present moment. and by directing your mind to that moment which is "the now" you awaken.
you're saying things take a while to occur, therefore the past is an important factor of the present. Tolle does not disagree with this; he just believes that allowing the mind to be in the present moment and not stuck in thoughts of past and future gives rise to a feeling of enlightenment. a feeling that the mind cannot grasp because it is beyond the mind. that part u have to feel for yourself by essentially 'clearing the mind' of thought.
as soon as you are thinking "this is stupid and makes no sense" you are not in "the now" because your mind has taken over. after years of conditioning or whatever, the mind is obsessed with trying to control everything and make sense of everything. according to your mind; without your past you are 'nobody' and without your future, you have no way of feeling excited about anything (the mind cannot stand this! and therefore projects into the past and future 24-7). to observe, not judge the present moment is to depart your true "self" from your mind. its something u cannot make happen but must allow it to happen. and when it happens u will know what im on about
i hope i answered ur question
peace out.
Garden Knowm
The Love Doctor
Nobody is asking you to accept tolle... acepting tolle will not have him make sense to you.. LOL....
If it takes convincing then it is not true....
No matter what, you live in the now... EVEN your thoughts are taking place now... and it appears that some people whish to argue there limitations of being able to live in the now... and we all know.. that if you BELIEVE you shall receive.. arugue your limitations and they are YOURS!!
ilovyou
If you wish to experiment.. just try stayting still.. perfectly still..and try to watch your thoughts.... DOnt move, dont itch... just watch your breath and watch your thoughts.... try doing this for 5 minutes, 3 times a day...
It won't take you more than 3 seesions to realize that you are a sleeping drone that can't stand still and is distracted by more than 80,000 automatc thoughts a day....
But with practice.. you can become awake.. youc an change you 50 watt ulb into a 1 billion watt bulb.... You can free yourself from your enslavement..
iloveyou
but 99% of man will stay asleep... And they will fight to the death to stay in this pathetic state... LOL
skunkushybrid
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Sounds like buddhism to me. This is how I've always imagined buddhists to be. I used to be a fan of all the 70's kung fu films... a warrior must free his mind of all thought
From what you've said about him I feel that he hasn't got anything new to tell me. Anyone that has practiced stillness can tell you that it does feel good. Although if you do it in the search for enlightenment then you will be let down.
The only way to truly meditate is to live within death, or somehow take yourself from your body. You cannot do it, and if you believe you can then this is you tricking yourself into this belief.
At what point do you REALISE you are not thinking?
From what you've said about him I feel that he hasn't got anything new to tell me. Anyone that has practiced stillness can tell you that it does feel good. Although if you do it in the search for enlightenment then you will be let down.
The only way to truly meditate is to live within death, or somehow take yourself from your body. You cannot do it, and if you believe you can then this is you tricking yourself into this belief.
At what point do you REALISE you are not thinking?
preoQpydDlusion
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funny, thats a trick question right? i guess u realize ur not thinking when u dont realize anything. i kno im there when i feel completely connected to the external world and i let go of the abilities of consciously projecting into the future or reflecting on the past.
tolle doesnt enlighten many folks, but allows them to enlighten themselves. most ppl are so caught up in bullshit, everything they do is counterproductive in the enlightenment process.
johnny1234
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i think you are perhaps looking in the wrong place. because you don't realise. the mind plays no part in it, the mind cannot grasp it because it has nothing to do with the mind. it is the 'self' or the 'being' behind the thinking. me trying to explain it all now is an example of how the mind always wants to control, understand and explain everything.
yeh it is quite similiar to buddhism, but i think buddhism is a sort of religion which makes western society wont to put it down and every1 says things like "to be a buddhist you gotta eat spinach all day and you gotta meditate 24-7" Tolle does'nt care for any of that, he just points towards this stillness in a number of different aspects. he even states himself that 'living in the now' is nothing new. but its the way he expresses it that works. for me anyway.
peace