Ethos Banana Hammock comparative(exodus thread)

StickyBudHound

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3rd Monkey said:
I've noticed the Ca/K issue as well. I've been looking into it, but

I don't understand how the 2 could bond, as opposed to the bond they form with medium... but there's a lot I don't know. I know they compete because of their valence, K being the easier to cling, so I think the issue lies there, honestly. Still testing lol.

If you get into composting, you can make flowering, bloom, and specialty composts like a calmag. Hell, you're already halfway there with your calmag concoction now lol.
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Here's one of the articles I found about it. It goes into a lot of details about it and other phosphorus interactions. Some of the bonding is due to pH levels being too high. In soil, in flower, pH needs to be below 6.5 if you combine the two in a feeding.

To eliminate it as an issue, I feed with calcium opposite of phosphorus feeds.

http://www.cannabisbusinesstimes.com/article/phosphorus-and-cannabis/
 
Moabfighter

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How close do I hold this. Few inches changes the values a lot. There’s also not a single manufacturer instructions to be found. Not sure what they were thinking here......

Thanks for the help. Plant still looks like shit.
 
3rd Monkey

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StickyBudHound said:
Mount Hood Magic on the left and Dosidos on the right.

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MHM was more than 3 lbs but yielded 2.5 lbs due to bud rot. DOS would have also been about 3 lbs but I ended up only getting about 1.25 lbs due to bud rot too. I waited too long to harvest and the rains came...

They were each about 8 feet tall and had around a 6 ft diameter. Beautiful plants!

The colas were about 2 ft on every branch and about as big around as a coke can. Though they were ginormous, they were nowhere near as dense as the inside girls under the QB boards.
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Beautiful plants. Fucking huge. Prohibition territory, so penis envy lol.

That's terrible about the rot. I'm planning on running a plastic sheeting A-frame this fall to see if it helps. You just need a fucking greenhouse lol.

I can't say anything about the QBs yet, but I usually have decent luck with bud density outdoors. Nothing to complain or brag about. Just... good enough lol.

I'm going to have to go clear a section in the woods lol. I'd love to have some 8fters like that.
 
JonathanT

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Now i get to go back and read all your stuff. I made a little 4 or 5 gallon tote with a few spots for clones, some weird perforated hose instead of air stones. Hose goes around the bottom of the tote. I might add a small pump to recycle the water and run it down the roots. Idk.
 
Moabfighter

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Not sure why I didn’t start this in soil then transplant.

My soil plants look fantastic lol

One BH is a tiny tiny and barely hanging on. The soil one will be very curious to see if it makes t through.
 
Smokexbreak

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Moabfighter said:
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How close do I hold this. Few inches changes the values a lot. There’s also not a single manufacturer instructions to be found. Not sure what they were thinking here......

Thanks for the help. Plant still looks like shit.
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Click the range button until x100 displays down in the right hand corner and then you divide by whatever your conversion factor is. Hold it at your leaf tops.
 
Or_Gro

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3rd Monkey said:
Beautiful plants. Fucking huge. Prohibition territory, so penis envy lol.

That's terrible about the rot. I'm planning on running a plastic sheeting A-frame this fall to see if it helps. You just need a fucking greenhouse lol.

I can't say anything about the QBs yet, but I usually have decent luck with bud density outdoors. Nothing to complain or brag about. Just... good enough lol.

I'm going to have to go clear a section in the woods lol. I'd love to have some like that.
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If you have enuff ppfd, you’ll luv how hard nugs can get...
 
3rd Monkey

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StickyBudHound said:
Here's one of the articles I found about it. It goes into a lot of details about it and other phosphorus interactions. Some of the bonding is due to pH levels being too high. In soil, in flower, pH needs to be below 6.5 if you combine the two in a feeding.

To eliminate it as an issue, I feed with calcium opposite of phosphorus feeds.

http://www.cannabisbusinesstimes.com/article/phosphorus-and-cannabis/
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My bad. I was talking about potassium and somehow read phosphorus as potassium. I still say it's a potassium thing lol.

Very good read though. Thank you. To be clear though, they are saying in high phosphorus environments it will bind to those elements if the ph is high. Still, safe then sorry.

I'm surprised they made no mention of temperatures affecting P uptake. The tidbit about magnesium I found refreshing. Nobody ever seems to mention elemental symbiosis.

Thanks for the read. I'll add that to the vault.
 
3rd Monkey

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Or_Gro said:
If you have enuff ppfd, you’ll luv how hard nugs can get...
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I've never measured. I always just ran them close as I could without stress. That was with HPS. I've never bleached one with the HPS, it was always heat first. Grew hard buds... About the same as outdoors for me.

These QBs... I had them at 15", looked fine for a few days, they were perky and happy. Then they started lightening up and I figured it was probably too close. Raised it to 24", the dark green is coming back.

Lux meter should be here tomorrow. See if I can get them harder under these QBs. I like them, just have to sort them out.

Appreciate the lighting info. Definitely not my forte.
 
3rd Monkey

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Micro-nutrient trivia of the day.

Ca- Calcium is directly responsible for proper growth of roots and cellular walls of stems and foliage. A lack of calcium can slow root development and distort newer growth (twisting, deformed, holes, etc.).

Calcium is immobile and relies strictly on transpiration (moving water from the roots to the top of the plant) to move through the plant. That's why newer growth and growth directly in the light are usually the first to be effected.

Too much calcium can compete with iron, magnesium, and potassium and lock them out, and too much of the others can lock out calcium, especially potassium.

It's best if calcium is kept under 200ppm of total nutrient solution.

Sources of calcium: Gypsum, dolomite, eggshells, bone meal, coffee grounds.
 
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Smokexbreak

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3rd Monkey said:
Micro-nutrient trivia of the day.

Ca- Calcium is directly responsible for proper growth of roots and cellular walls of stems and foliage. A lack of calcium can slow root development and distort newer growth (twisting, deformed, holes, etc.).

Calcium is immobile and relies strictly on transpiration (moving water from the roots to the top of the plant) to move through the plant. That's why newer growth and growth directly in the light are usually the first to be effected.

Too much calcium can compete with iron, magnesium, and potassium and lock them out, and too much of the others can lock out calcium, especially potassium.

It's best if calcium is kept under 200ppm of total nutrient solution.
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lol we need you to do this daily please and thanks. And I’m copy n pasting this shit in my journal on GC
 
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