Ethos Banana Hammock comparative(exodus thread)

3rd Monkey

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Besides cal-mag, a big one is that qbs need to run higher optimal temps than hps...my guess is you already know this, but maybe others don’t....

details available via googling white led leaf surface temp....
I learned that the hard way under a cheap led, right before I bought the QBs lol. Usually I ran the hps and led together, so I never noticed until I tried running just led.

Absolute truth to it though. The calmag thing I'm still looking into because I strongly believe it is not a calmag issue, but a K issue that causes the calmag defs.

Still working on it though...
 

Or_Gro

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I learned that the hard way under a cheap led, right before I bought the QBs lol. Usually I ran the hps and led together, so I never noticed until I tried running just led.

Absolute truth to it though. The calmag thing I'm still looking into because I strongly believe it is not a calmag issue, but a K issue that causes the calmag defs.

Still working on it though...
Handy tool:
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My bud @StickyBudHound uses epsom salts and eggshells to individually feec one or the other of cal-mag...
 

Or_Gro

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Have one. That's how I learned to start checking LST lol.

I just ordered a lux meter after bleaching my seedlings a little. QBs are a different animal indeed.

I've talked to @StickyBudHound about it lol.
You’re on it man...i generally post fyi for others as a reply to your posts, since you typically bring up points that they may not be aware of.....


.... like abrev LST....multiple meanings...
 

3rd Monkey

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You’re on it man...i generally post fyi for others as a reply to your posts, since you typically bring up points that they may not be aware of.....


.... like abrev LST....multiple meanings...
Yea, that's an issue I'm working on lol.

Leaf Surface Temp.

I go a little fast because I don't like how convoluted science is between opinions, contradictory testing, etc.

I just assimilate it to something I know or can relate to in order to make things click, then top it off with some research and field testing.

In the tactical realm, we call it snowmobiling or properly as OODA looping lol.

I'm working on it lol.
 

StickyBudHound

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Have one. That's how I learned to start checking LST lol.

I just ordered a lux meter after bleaching my seedlings a little. QBs are a different animal indeed.

I've talked to @StickyBudHound about it lol.
I switched from using Cal-Mag for a few reasons.

Since I have to add calcium and magnesium due to RO water so often it gets expensive. However, making calcium using eggshells and vinegar is really cheap. We go through a lot of eggs at home so this is perfect.

I read somewhere that Cal-Mag has a lot of salt in it and since it's in every watering I figured less salts would be the best option.

I also read that calcium can bond to phosphorus causing the plant to not take up either of them. Watching a bunch of threads, I noticed many seeming to have a problem with what appeared to a calcium deficiency a few weeks into flower, right after the grower begins to add their flowering nutes. Regular occurrence.

Epsom salt, while still being a salt, only needs to be added once every 3 to 4 weeks.

You told me about being able to get magnesium from my used coffee grounds, which I drink a ton of coffee so, I intend to go that route later to eliminate salts from the Epsom.

Yep, QBs need to be up high for seedlings. Too intense.
 

3rd Monkey

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I switched from using Cal-Mag for a few reasons.

Since I have to add calcium and magnesium due to RO water so often it gets expensive. However, making calcium using eggshells and vinegar is really cheap. We go through a lot of eggs at home so this is perfect.

I read somewhere that Cal-Mag has a lot of salt in it and since it's in every watering I figured less salts would be the best option.

I also read that calcium can bond to phosphorus causing the plant to not take up either of them. Watching a bunch of threads, I noticed many seeming to have a problem with what appeared to a calcium deficiency a few weeks into flower, right after the grower begins to add their flowering nutes. Regular occurrence.

Epsom salt, while still being a salt, only needs to be added once every 3 to 4 weeks.

You told me about being able to get magnesium from my used coffee grounds, which I drink a ton of coffee so, I intend to go that route later to eliminate salts from the Epsom.

Yep, QBs need to be up high for seedlings. Too intense.
I've noticed the Ca/K issue as well. I've been looking into it, but

I don't understand how the 2 could bond, as opposed to the bond they form with medium... but there's a lot I don't know. I know they compete because of their valence, K being the easier to cling, so I think the issue lies there, honestly. Still testing lol.

If you get into composting, you can make flowering, bloom, and specialty composts like a calmag. Hell, you're already halfway there with your calmag concoction now lol.
 

Or_Gro

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I switched from using Cal-Mag for a few reasons.

Since I have to add calcium and magnesium due to RO water so often it gets expensive. However, making calcium using eggshells and vinegar is really cheap. We go through a lot of eggs at home so this is perfect.

I read somewhere that Cal-Mag has a lot of salt in it and since it's in every watering I figured less salts would be the best option.

I also read that calcium can bond to phosphorus causing the plant to not take up either of them. Watching a bunch of threads, I noticed many seeming to have a problem with what appeared to a calcium deficiency a few weeks into flower, right after the grower begins to add their flowering nutes. Regular occurrence.

Epsom salt, while still being a salt, only needs to be added once every 3 to 4 weeks.

You told me about being able to get magnesium from my used coffee grounds, which I drink a ton of coffee so, I intend to go that route later to eliminate salts from the Epsom.

Yep, QBs need to be up high for seedlings. Too intense.
Show the monkey your outside plants dawg...he thinks sungrown plants are the best...
 
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